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by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:59 pm

MR C wrote:listen rafa owe those fans who got behind him when his job was on the line...i was not one of them.
so for him to do a runner when we are in trouble would make him worst than hicks.

What planet are you on ?

by **Kukilon** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:06 pm

People that are falling for Hicks PR spin har useless :censored:

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Parry needs to go but not before Hicks has left. Don't let this this tool get his way with us.

I have earlier had respect for Peewee but not anymore. Anyone that wants to destroy our club can :censored:

off and that is what you are doing at the moment.

by **lakes10** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:06 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:The way i see it now is if you like Rafa then you need to keep Hicks

The PR people at Hicks and Co will be happy you have fallen for it lad.

not me mate, all 3 of them can go, H&G and Rafa.
I feel a bit sick that he seems to be of Hicks side.

What ?

Rafa seems to have taken Hicks side due to finding out that he will get to keep his job for another year.

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:08 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:The way i see it now is if you like Rafa then you need to keep Hicks

The PR people at Hicks and Co will be happy you have fallen for it lad.

not me mate, all 3 of them can go, H&G and Rafa.
I feel a bit sick that he seems to be of Hicks side.

What ?

Rafa seems to have taken Hicks side due to finding out that he will get to keep his job for another year.

You know this how ?

Rafa has not spoken publically about this.

You think your boss is a t.it, Do you tell him/others ?

by **lakes10** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:15 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
lakes10 wrote:The way i see it now is if you like Rafa then you need to keep Hicks

The PR people at Hicks and Co will be happy you have fallen for it lad.

not me mate, all 3 of them can go, H&G and Rafa.
I feel a bit sick that he seems to be of Hicks side.

What ?

Rafa seems to have taken Hicks side due to finding out that he will get to keep his job for another year.

You know this how ?

Rafa has not spoken publically about this.

You think your boss is a t.it, Do you tell him/others ?

er yes i did in fact and thats why i left and now work for myself.

just take a look at most of the reports and it seem that most are saying that Rafa is backing Hick, I dont know this is a fact but as the Echo seem to have more infor than the rest of us i base it on that.

by **Reg** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:27 pm

Lads, the spin and counter spin is complicating this beyond belief. As I see it:

1. H&G need to fook off and sell to DIC.
2. Once done but not before, Parry and exit stage left.
3. Rafa signs a minimum 5 year extension not a pathetic one year which amounts to a vote of no confidence.
4. We invest for the future - new stadium, new players.
5. We all get on with life.

HICKS will say whatever he needs to get Parry off the board, get Aryes on to give him the majority and then he screws the lot of us.

Do not fall for his verbal bow-locks, its all spin to get a board majority.

The only thing Hicks loves is HICKS. He doesnt give a Weetabix about LFC.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:29 pm

Reg wrote:Lads, the spin and counter spin is complicating this beyond belief. As I see it:

1. H&G need to fook off and sell to DIC.
2. Once done but not before, Parry and exit stage left.
3. Rafa signs a minimum 5 year extension not a pathetic one year which amounts to a vote of no confidence.
4. We invest for the future - new stadium, new players.
5. We all get on with life.

HICKS will say whatever he needs to get Parry off the board, get Aryes on to give him the majority and then he screws the lot of us.

Do not fall for his verbal bow-locks, its all spin to get a board majority.

The only thing Hicks loves is HICKS. He doesnt give a Weetabix about LFC.

Spot on Reg :nod

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:29 pm

peewee wrote:good luck to hicks in my opinion, get parry out, hopefully rafa will follow. also lets not forget he has made money available for rafa and rafa has spent it.

this is exactly the same as last time, fans having a go at the owner to detract from the managers failings (although people are very quiet at the moment about rafa, he has played a settled side and its has showed, just like he did last year and the year before and will no doubt do again next season when we are out of the title race), in fact the anti rotationers have every right to start spouting facts and figures here to show how the settled side has been performing as opposed to the unsettled sides he put out earlier.

so lets hope he buys out gillet and gets rid of parry then things can settle down and then we can see what hicks is all about when the excuses have been removed

You're f*cking clueless, fella!

by **MR C** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:39 pm

Leonmc0708 i don't understand what you mean.

all i'm saying is surely rafa has some feelings for the fans that stuck up for him.
surely if he loved liverpool and the fans who stuck up for him,he would not walk out on them in such a crisis.or is this just a one way thing where they sing and chant his name and be loyal, but he can treat them like how he treats the players.

i have only ever heard rafa's love for the club when he was close to losing his job.then we hear he and hicks are big mates now and are like two peas in a pod.i can't think of any reason why rafa added to this mess by making statements about talking with the board.i'm suspecting he has forced hicks to make us cringe today.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:46 pm

No matter what hicks says unless its I am going to sell, everyone on hear is going to hate it. If you actually read what he said today, its a pretty fair assesment and most LFC fans have been anti-parry for a while anyway. If he keeps saying the right things and starts taking the right actions, I don't see why this whole season can just be forgotten if at the end of the day we qualified for the CL (we most likely weren't going to win anyway this season) and made a good run in the CL, and also at the end of the day IF the stadium starts getting built and the debt is paid of and further investment is put into players and rafa is given total control of signing players, then you HAVE to say your ok with Hicks if your an LFC fan. At the end of the day the success of the first team is ALL that really matters.

However, I do recognize that those visions seem like pipe dreams from where I am sitting, but the forces being what they are, I am not sure what solution is possible, the way the characters are developed and the situaitons they find themselves in, it seems like a Shakespearean tragedy. I don't know the future, and at this point, I am not even sure what kind of ownership situation outcome would be best for the club, but whichever one produces the goods on the pitch (i.e. winning the league) both for next year and not only without not sacrificing future seasons but actually building for them as well.

I am not saying Hicks is one righteous fella, I am just saying there is a chance that he may not be anti-Christ. Especially if he can come good on some statements. (and yes I know he hasn't lived up to some of them so far, but so far, we aren't suffering much from them on the pitch, but clearly it would start to if this continued well into next season, if not in the players menality, then in the finances of the club which should directly relate to the quality of players in the squad)

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:50 pm

MR C wrote:Leonmc0708 i don't understand what you mean.

all i'm saying is surely rafa has some feelings for the fans that stuck up for him.
surely if he loved liverpool and the fans who stuck up for him,he would not walk out on them in such a crisis.or is this just a one way thing where they sing and chant his name and be loyal, but he can treat them like how he treats the players.

i have only ever heard rafa's love for the club when he was close to losing his job.then we hear he and hicks are big mates now and are like two peas in a pod.i can't think of any reason why rafa added to this mess by making statements about talking with the board.i'm suspecting he has forced hicks to make us cringe today.

You've only heard Rafa's love for the club when he was close to losing his job? Did you only start supporting us at the end of last year by any chance? Do you not know of Rafa's tale of refusing to stay in a hotel and concentrating on his job before the '05 CL final, instead went out to watch AC in a bar and to meet the fans up close because he said they were different than any other across Europe and wanted to be amongst them? How about him declaring that Liverpool was his city, and that the fans were his people after that final? I could go on.

Anyway, back on topic. To cut a log story short, we're f*cked if Rafa walks and Hicks takes sole charge. All I can say there is R.I.P the club we all love.

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:54 pm

MR C wrote:Leonmc0708 i don't understand what you mean.

all i'm saying is surely rafa has some feelings for the fans that stuck up for him.
surely if he loved liverpool and the fans who stuck up for him,he would not walk out on them in such a crisis.or is this just a one way thing where they sing and chant his name and be loyal, but he can treat them like how he treats the players.

i have only ever heard rafa's love for the club when he was close to losing his job.then we hear he and hicks are big mates now and are like two peas in a pod.i can't think of any reason why rafa added to this mess by making statements about talking with the board.i'm suspecting he has forced hicks to make us cringe today.

Dont beleive ANYTHING you read in the papers unless its got direct quotes.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:56 pm

Joe,
We suffered in the summer when we had to wait to make signings (who knows who we lost out on?) We suffered at Christmas when Rafa wanted to sign players on a Bosman and wasn't allowed to.

IF he removes the debt
IF the new stadium ever gets built
IF Rafa is allowed to sign the players he wants

Maybe then I might be willing to listen, but personally I don't believe a word he says.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:59 pm

s@int wrote:Joe,
We suffered in the summer when we had to wait to make signings (who knows who we lost out on?) We suffered at Christmas when Rafa wanted to sign players on a Bosman and wasn't allowed to.

IF he removes the debt
IF the new stadium ever gets built
IF Rafa is allowed to sign the players he wants

Maybe then I might be willing to listen, but personally I don't believe a word he says.

Spot on, S@int.

And apparently, one of the signings Rafa missed out on was Alves for 12m. The contract was there ready to be signed and a done deal, but from what I heard, Coco tore it up. Now what's he estimated going for again? 27 or there abouts?

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:07 pm

s@int wrote:Joe,
We suffered in the summer when we had to wait to make signings (who knows who we lost out on?) We suffered at Christmas when Rafa wanted to sign players on a Bosman and wasn't allowed to.

IF he removes the debt
IF the new stadium ever gets built
IF Rafa is allowed to sign the players he wants

Maybe then I might be willing to listen, but personally I don't believe a word he says.

and if Hicks is half as sly and cunning of a lying :censored:

as most people are giving him credit for, surely he will have "researchers" out there trying to find out the pulse of the fanbase in reaction to his comments, surely that is the only reason why he gave them. I would say that S@ints seem to be more or less the general consensous, which is yea you might have said some nice stuff, but I don't give a toss because I still hate you and don't trust a word you say, get out now. In which case now he knows he has to either take some kind of ACTION that could only ring positive, breaking ground doesn't really seem possible because surely that cannot happen until everything else at the club is settled. He can't fire Parry, 1) he needs GG's approval, and 2) most fans would see it as a "power move" not a move to get rid of an inept executive. He also seems fairly powerless to do much else, with Parry (and GG) still around I can't see him being able to offer Rafa much of, if any kind of extension, because the more power rafa has, the less Parry has, I also think that any kind of transfer fund increase or debt payoff would have to be a joint venture from the 50-50 owners, it also seems that neither owner wants to sell to the other or wants the other to sell to a third party.

I also don't know how valid the whole DIC will buy at the end of May after Hicks has run out of time on his veto clause or whatever idea is. Seems that DIC would only want a controlling interest, and if Hicks doesn't want to sell, DIC would not be interested

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