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by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:31 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:So Pennant doesn't score enough, fair enough I'd go along with that, but how does Gattouso of Milan score? How many from OPEN PLAY does Beckham score? Come to think of, how many from OPEN PLAY does Ronaldo score. It's all very well scoring from free kicks and pens, when you don't have to worry about anything but hitting the ball. Goals aren't Pennant's job, his job is to create, and last night he created both goals. I'd settle for him creating two goals a game rather than him getting into 5 goal scoring opportunities and missing the lot.

Also, lets assume next season's transfer kitty is 40 million. That's 40 million for another forward, left back and two world class wingers. Now you don't get world class forwards and wingers for 10 million a piece. So it's either Pennant, move Gerrard over or promote a youngster. Right wing isn't a problem for Liverpool right now.

Your in danger of losing the plot mate, first the bizarre comparison with Gattuso (a holding midfield player) then saying Ronaldo doesnt score many from open play, granted he gets his fair share of pens and freekicks but he has still scored about 8-10 (am guessing there) from open play...and thats just this season.

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:43 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:So Pennant doesn't score enough, fair enough I'd go along with that, but how does Gattouso of Milan score? How many from OPEN PLAY does Beckham score? Come to think of, how many from OPEN PLAY does Ronaldo score. It's all very well scoring from free kicks and pens, when you don't have to worry about anything but hitting the ball. Goals aren't Pennant's job, his job is to create, and last night he created both goals. I'd settle for him creating two goals a game rather than him getting into 5 goal scoring opportunities and missing the lot.

Also, lets assume next season's transfer kitty is 40 million. That's 40 million for another forward, left back and two world class wingers. Now you don't get world class forwards and wingers for 10 million a piece. So it's either Pennant, move Gerrard over or promote a youngster. Right wing isn't a problem for Liverpool right now.

Your in danger of losing the plot mate, first the bizarre comparison with Gattuso (a holding midfield player) then saying Ronaldo doesnt score many from open play, granted he gets his fair share of pens and freekicks but he has still scored about 8-10 (am guessing there) from open play...and thats just this season.

I think he lost the plot a long time ago.

Gattuso is a defence midfielder.

Ronaldo is top premierleague scorer with 19 this season.

Beckham scored plenty of goals from open play.

Poor attempt to justify a poor argument with poor knowledge of the game and poor research.

D- (see me)

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:18 pm

Gattouso right wing in Istanbul, against us.

Ronaldo, 19 goals, 9 pens and 5 free kicks. 5 from open play for "the greatest player in the world" what's that make Benayoun then

Beckham, his free kick and pen record spoke for itself.

Pennant is a good choice to have, and everybody knows it.

by **puroresu** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:23 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Gattouso right wing in Istanbul, against us.

Ronaldo, 19 goals, 9 pens and 5 free kicks. 5 from open play for "the greatest player in the world" what's that make Benayoun then

Beckham, his free kick and pen record spoke for itself.

Pennant is a good choice to have, and everybody knows it.

How can u even doubt Ronaldo. Goals, assists the ability to beat players and can use both feet. We have Pennant who couldnt make it at arsenal has scored 1 goal, average crosser of the ball and how rarely beats a full back. If his good enough for LFC then we really have sunk!!

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:24 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Gattouso right wing in Istanbul, against us.

Ronaldo, 19 goals, 9 pens and 5 free kicks. 5 from open play for "the greatest player in the world" what's that make Benayoun then

Beckham, his free kick and pen record spoke for itself.

Pennant is a good choice to have, and everybody knows it.

Clueless.

40 years followign Liverpool ? Did you go the game in a blindfold with ear muffs on or what ?

You must be lying.

by **Sabre** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:27 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Gattouso right wing in Istanbul, against us.

Ronaldo, 19 goals, 9 pens and 5 free kicks. 5 from open play for "the greatest player in the world" what's that make Benayoun then

Beckham, his free kick and pen record spoke for itself.

Pennant is a good choice to have, and everybody knows it.

Milan AC were Europe Champions with no wide players, one single striker, and a creative AM behind him. In the eyes of many their tactics would be negative. Yet they won the final.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:33 pm

How can I doubt Ronaldo?

Here's how...30 shots a game, just like Lampard, I could score 30 goals a season if i took over 900 shots over the coarse of it. Then I could score 30 goals a season if I took 15 penalties a season. Next I could 30 goals a season if I was playing with Rooney and Tevez to create a set amount rather than Kuyt and Voronin, or greedy :censored:

Torres who wouldn't pass to his own son.

Ronaldo can't cross a ball. He gets chance after chance after chance, but either overdoes it, or hits the first man. Then one cross every now and then finds it's way and we're all meant to believe he's some superstar. You talk about Ronaldo, how many of the top three has he scored against? Pennant's goal came against Chelsea. Garcia (never one of my faves) scored constantly against Chelsea, does that make him world class? Gerrard has scored screamers against all three top teams as well as in Europe, yet people still seem to believe he's nowhere near Ronaldo.

World class players are meant to perform on all stages. Ronaldo scores against lesser teams, hardly difficult considering Voronin scored against Derby and Sunderland as well.

Just another overrated :censored:

because he plays for United.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:36 pm

Big Niall wrote:It is fairly shocking that the only attacking signing Benitez has made who has really been a success is Torres.

Defensively he seems to have a good eye - Reina,Agger,Skrtel,Masch,etc but attack wise?

Crouch,Kuyt,Babel,Penant,Morientes,Gonzales,Bellamy,Benayoun,Voninin, they amount to about £60m (okay got about £10m back for Morientes and Bellamy) but not one of them was ever a player - like Torres, that you really felt could fire us up the league table. All bit part - "maybe" players.

For £50m net spending we should have got 2 or 3 exceptional attacking players.

In his defense, it's not like Moores said "Here's £60m for you to spend on attackers right now."

That figure is a cumulative one over a period of time, increased greatly by Rafa's own success.

by **big al** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:41 pm

John, Pennant is way out of his league, he is at best average. I will say this again for the 100th time we need top quality wide men who can turn defenders and have buckets of pace.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:47 pm

big al wrote:John, Pennant is way out of his league, he is at best average. I will say this again for the 100th time we need top quality wide men who can turn defenders and have buckets of pace.

Babel and Pennant have more than enough pace. The trickery both have can turn defenders inside out. Also if need be, there's two quality wingers in Anderson and Hammill. I'd rather see next season's transfer kitty on a forward or left back. Left wing is more of a problem, but I think Babel could do well out there.

That's one of the points I was trying to make at the start of this. A new right winger SHOULDN'T be priority. Pennant, Gerrard, Anderson, Hammill, Benayoun, Babel and even Kuyt can do a job out there. There's no reason for us to splash 10-20 million on a new right winger and persist with Kuyt/Voronin up front. I'd rather see a world class forward come in and persist with Pennant in all honesty.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:51 pm

Either John is on another of his side splitting wind ups...like the one with LFC2007 the other day or in the words of stu the red needs to get a clue.

Ronaldo is virtually unplayable at times, its not nice to have to say it but he scares the sh!t out of opponents with his pace, skill and even power.
Pennant cant be compared and unless your tongue is firmly in your cheek then i am seriously worried about your state of mind.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:52 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:How can I doubt Ronaldo?

Here's how...30 shots a game, just like Lampard, I could score 30 goals a season if i took over 900 shots over the coarse of it. Then I could score 30 goals a season if I took 15 penalties a season. Next I could 30 goals a season if I was playing with Rooney and Tevez to create a set amount rather than Kuyt and Voronin, or greedy Torres who wouldn't pass to his own son.

Ronaldo can't cross a ball. He gets chance after chance after chance, but either overdoes it, or hits the first man. Then one cross every now and then finds it's way and we're all meant to believe he's some superstar. You talk about Ronaldo, how many of the top three has he scored against? Pennant's goal came against Chelsea. Garcia (never one of my faves) scored constantly against Chelsea, does that make him world class? Gerrard has scored screamers against all three top teams as well as in Europe, yet people still seem to believe he's nowhere near Ronaldo.

World class players are meant to perform on all stages. Ronaldo scores against lesser teams, hardly difficult considering Voronin scored against Derby and Sunderland as well.

Just another overrated because he plays for United.

Stop, look and listen.

I know it's the green cross code, but if I were you I'd consider that advice in your entire life before making any more posts.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:53 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:How can I doubt Ronaldo?

Here's how...30 shots a game, just like Lampard, I could score 30 goals a season if i took over 900 shots over the coarse of it. Then I could score 30 goals a season if I took 15 penalties a season. Next I could 30 goals a season if I was playing with Rooney and Tevez to create a set amount rather than Kuyt and Voronin, or greedy Torres who wouldn't pass to his own son.

Ronaldo can't cross a ball. He gets chance after chance after chance, but either overdoes it, or hits the first man. Then one cross every now and then finds it's way and we're all meant to believe he's some superstar. You talk about Ronaldo, how many of the top three has he scored against? Pennant's goal came against Chelsea. Garcia (never one of my faves) scored constantly against Chelsea, does that make him world class? Gerrard has scored screamers against all three top teams as well as in Europe, yet people still seem to believe he's nowhere near Ronaldo.

World class players are meant to perform on all stages. Ronaldo scores against lesser teams, hardly difficult considering Voronin scored against Derby and Sunderland as well.

Just another overrated because he plays for United.

Ronaldo -27 goals this season including a goal against Arsenal.

4 penalties -so where the idea that he scores all his goals from pens comes from I have no idea.

Pennant - one goal since he joined us but it wasn't a penalty :buttrock

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:54 pm

That's why Ronaldo has caused Steve Finnan problem after problem after problem eh Ace

Even last year's goal at Anfield. It wasn't because of Ronaldo they scored, it was because of Reina spilling the ball at O'Shea's feet.

Ronaldo can perform against any lesser side, but against the top sides is little less then useless.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:55 pm

s@int wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:How can I doubt Ronaldo?

Here's how...30 shots a game, just like Lampard, I could score 30 goals a season if i took over 900 shots over the coarse of it. Then I could score 30 goals a season if I took 15 penalties a season. Next I could 30 goals a season if I was playing with Rooney and Tevez to create a set amount rather than Kuyt and Voronin, or greedy Torres who wouldn't pass to his own son.

Ronaldo can't cross a ball. He gets chance after chance after chance, but either overdoes it, or hits the first man. Then one cross every now and then finds it's way and we're all meant to believe he's some superstar. You talk about Ronaldo, how many of the top three has he scored against? Pennant's goal came against Chelsea. Garcia (never one of my faves) scored constantly against Chelsea, does that make him world class? Gerrard has scored screamers against all three top teams as well as in Europe, yet people still seem to believe he's nowhere near Ronaldo.

World class players are meant to perform on all stages. Ronaldo scores against lesser teams, hardly difficult considering Voronin scored against Derby and Sunderland as well.

Just another overrated because he plays for United.

Ronaldo -27 goals this season including a goal against Arsenal.

4 penalties -so where the idea that he scores all his goals from pens comes from I have no idea.

Pennant - one goal since he joined us but it wasn't a penalty

So the fact that he's scored 11 pens this season, means only four are from the spot

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