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by **Ciggy** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:45 pm

Seen as most of us are disgruntled from the last 3 games something else needs issuing here our set pieces are dreadful.

Why are they so bad? We hardly ever score from them we get piles of corners and dont damage the oppo what so ever, we are not even a threat from corners.

Other teams have this boxed off and most of them only relay on them to get a result the likes of the bitters, and Bolton under fat sam.

United are very dangerous aswell from them.

Whats the problem? The takers or just not practising them enough?

This is not a moan at Rafa BTW we have been shit with them for years even under Houllier.

by **dawson99** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:47 pm

lack of drive in midfield, too one dimensional... strikers who never get a chance to gel together...

as we can see the defence is fine, no goals conceded in open play in 10 prem games now?

by **Sabre** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:51 pm

Ciggy wrote:Seen as most of us are disgruntled from the last 3 games something else needs issuing here our set pieces are dreadful.

Why are they so bad? We hardly ever score from them we get piles of corners and dont damage the oppo what so ever, we are not even a threat from corners.

Other teams have this boxed off and most of them only relay on them to get a result the likes of the bitters, and Bolton under fat sam.

United are very dangerous aswell from them.

Whats the problem? The takers or just not practising them enough?

This is not a moan at Rafa BTW we have been shit with them for years even under Houllier.

Thank God. At last a criticism to the manager that doesn't have the r-----n word on it.

I think it's something that Rafa has to work better, because I agree we seem to be dull in many corners. Not only this season, but the previous ones.

I do think that's more a problem of Rafa rather than the takers to be honest. But anyhow, I've seen too much rotation corner-wise. Who are our takers? I've seen Alonso, Gonzalez, Pennant. I definitely agree we have to be better on that and that's the work of Rafa.

Defensively, we defend well the corners, all must be said.

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:53 pm

It is another frustrating area i agree.
Pennant should never take them, his crossing while he may hit decent areas at times are not hit with enough whip and pace, more floated into the area, that allows the defenders far more time to react and deal with.
Gerrard is probably the best taker but he is also far better at heading than alot of people realise and should be in the box attacking things.
Alonso should be better with his deliveries as well, the one against Derby aside he doesnt get them right very often at all.
Maybe Finnan would do better, his crossing is usually decent, the only problem would be on corners with him being smaller he is usually the type of player you would want to leave defending.
It should probably always be Alonso that takes them, but he needs to work a lot harder on getting it right.

by **babu** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:13 pm

Sabre wrote:Thank God. At last a criticism to the manager that doesn't have the r-----n word on it.

huh? ok i'll guess...

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edit:* yum.....rambutan

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:42 pm

Floaty balls.

Not a sexual problem.

But it's what we suffer from.

Balls have to be whipped.....into the penalty area.

Particularly across the six yard area.

by **Avi Cohen** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:09 pm

I was watching The Premiership on RTE (yea, we still haven't changed the title accordingly) and Johnny Giles, who is right 9 times out of 10, said that Liverpool's emphasis is purely on getting the ball back. He went on to say that Liverpool are the hardest working team when we don't have the ball. However, we do give the ball away needlessly but don't seem worried at all because they know they will have it back in a moment.
He went on; Liverpool don't seem to place any emphasis on scoring. Going forward, they run out of ideas because the homework hasnt been done on the training ground. Ditto set pieces. No one knows what they're doing because no one has practiced it. Even the goal against Chelsea in CL last season wasn't worked. Gerrard said he just saw Agger free and passed it.
We've been toothless the last few seasons and I thought Rafa put that right with Torres and Voronin. It was a statement of intent, but the trouble is in the attacking third. There is no creativity in the final third and Gerrard is not a playmaker. He's a driver. We need someone with a deft touch that can thread passes through stubborn defences like Birmingham.

That 3-5-2 that Rafa Dodd mentioned a few threads back sounds like the business to me.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:03 pm

When he comes back, maybe give Aurelio a go at taking corners?

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:39 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:Even the goal against Chelsea in CL last season wasn't worked. Gerrard said he just saw Agger free and passed it.

Er yeah, OK . . .

by **slickrick** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:52 pm

our problem is we have :censored:

wingers! we have no wingers who can dribble past players! pennant playing ok so far put most times trips over himself when dribblin and babel doesn't dribble by people either! why did we pay 1o million for babel wen quaresma was available for around 17million!

by **Scottbot** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:36 pm

The truth is we don't really have anyone in the side who can consistently put in a decent corner and we haven't since Gary Mac. Gerrard shouldn't take them, he often fails to beat the first man and i agree that he would be far more dangerous in or around the box. Alonso could do it but he tends to float the ball (see his free kicks) and doesn't really get the pace, whip or bend you'd like to see. Kewell can certainly put in a decent corner but he's never fit and Pennant isn't the greatest althoug i would argue he puts in as a good a corner as Gerrard. Aurelio wasn't a bad shout plus maybe Bennayoun has a decent delivery.

by **Sabre** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:40 pm

I miss some variety in the corners.

I don't think I've seen some typical variants. Short ball to the first post, a man like Crouch heading it back (slightly) is a variant I don't recall.

I don't recall a surprise low ball to the front and a lurker of the area smashing it. We have done that in set pieces. Our corners all seem to be either bad taken or just the same. (1)

I think I'll pay more attention to this. Nice thread ciggy.

Even the goal against Chelsea in CL last season wasn't worked. Gerrard said he just saw Agger free and passed it.

(1) Shame on me forgot that one :blush:

by **Ciggy** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:51 pm

The thing is though Gerrard shouldnt take our corners cause he's cr@p at them and would do a better job in and around the box.
The short corners very rarely come to anything, we have and have had tall players, Hamman, Gerrard Hyypia and Agger although these two do score from set pieces on occasions.

Carra always goes up for corners one bloody goal in how many years?

Nearly scored on saturday from a set piece though.

Maybe we are not ruthless enough if you notice when other teams take them they are swarming all over each other blocking the goal keeper pushing and shoving the players out the way and 9 out of 10 times they score.

Dont get me wrong I hate it when them teams do it to us, so maybe we have to start doing it to them.

by **redtrader74** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:08 pm

Because Gerrard takes most of the corners and he can't whip them in,

Because Gerrards not in the box, he's actually ok at heading,

Because none of our defenders are any good at heading into goal,

Because Crouch has the strength of a daddy long legs, and the heading ability of a sponge,

Because the team is not as cynical as others, look at Carvalho, Terry, Vidic etc. Pushing and shoving, might not like them doing it, but thats what goes,

Because Alonso doesn't take enough, imo his are far better than SG's.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:37 am

I seem to remember a thread on this a year or two back.

I said then and I say now that Finnan could be the answer. Aurelio too is a good shout - his delivery was starting to look seriously class from open play before his injury.

Gerrard should get the f*ck in the box and show how good he is in the air instead of lobbing it to the first defender. I applaud him for wanting to take the initiative at set plays, but corners are simply not a strength of his, while heading most certainly is.

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