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Postby Stu.Murph » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:37 pm

supersub wrote:He is Stevie G just like you are stu.murph

If someone called me Stuey M. I'd :censored: lamp the :censored:.

If they called me it on the internet however... I'd probably just smile. :D
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Postby Ian Rush's Right foot » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:50 pm

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Ian Rush's Right foot wrote:Stevie G, is our Captain, our Talisman, our best player by far.

When it's time to renew his contract, then we should do everything in our power to make sure that we sign him up, because regardless of if he's been our best player or not last season,  he's still immense, and will be for the next 5 years


I'm sorry Kharhaz, but great individuals make great teams.

Stevie G.?

Sounds like something off Roy of the Rovers.

Steven Gerrard. Not :censored: Stevie G. lid.

Absoloutely embarressing.

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STFU you muppet

I hope to see the best out of Stevie G, Pedro Crouch, Little Luis et al this season.

If your embrassed then i suggest you lighten up

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Postby Emerald Red » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:51 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Ian Rush's Right foot wrote:Stevie G, is our Captain, our Talisman, our best player by far.

When it's time to renew his contract, then we should do everything in our power to make sure that we sign him up, because regardless of if he's been our best player or not last season,  he's still immense, and will be for the next 5 years


I'm sorry Kharhaz, but great individuals make great teams.

Stevie G.?

Sounds like something off Roy of the Rovers.

Steven Gerrard. Not :censored: Stevie G. lid.

Absoloutely embarressing.

I call him Steve G sometimes as well. What's the problem with that? I'm sure Steve G himself would have no trouble with himself being called Steve G!
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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:19 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
supersub wrote:He is Stevie G just like you are stu.murph

If someone called me Stuey M. I'd :censored: lamp the :censored:.

If they called me it on the internet however... I'd probably just smile. :D

Howdya feel about S.Murph? :D
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Postby destro » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:25 pm

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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:30 pm

Stu strikes again! :D

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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:33 pm

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Postby Kharhaz » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:15 am

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Kharhaz wrote:Llando himself went on a rant about how Gerrard got player of the season on the lfc.tv website when he didnt deserve it. Stu can throw in his insults in a desperate attempt to make himself look clever but the simple fact is, Steve Gerrard can walk on water, part the seas and tell his dad who can and cannot get into heaven, according to people like stu, but I am different, I see people for who they are and Steven Gerrard is a great footballer who was made by Liverpool FC and his mum and dad! and I stand by what I say, what makes LFC great is the team not individuals.

What absoloute utter rubbish you are chatting.

The completely bellendness of your post is just typical of some foreign know nothin upstart who thinks he knows what he's talking about when actually has no idea at all.

Go and watch a :censored: game lad an watch the lad live. He's :censored: outstanding every single time he played.

I remember the Villa away game (you mentioned) and himself and Gareth Barry stood out by a mile for quality. No other player on the pitch looked capable of playing Sunday league yet those two stood out simpley for their over all quality. The only things in the match that were done with any quality came from those two players, the rest of the players on the pitch where a joke.

The problem stems from the dickheads who think he can do it on his own. Steven Gerrard's a team player, against Chelsea in the semi final for the first 70 minutes he was by a mile the best player on the pitch, he tackled, passed, ran, dribbled, headed the ball, he done :censored: everything and he even set the :censored: goal up for the arsewholes who can't see the rest of the game.

Its idiots who can't see the rest of his game that wind me up. This season he's played far better alround than he did last. He's quite simply failed to score the same amount of goals.

I mean, we should really expect 23 goals a season from a central midfielder... 11 is completely unacceptable... 11 goals a season from midfield... bah... disgrace! :no

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Oh thats where I went wrong, I replied to you. Villa game (you mentioned) when? when did I mention the villa game?
And when did I mention I expect Gerrard to win games single handedly? I didnt, and if the season gone was better than the last for him then I repeat what I ask, what has he done to warrant a new contract?
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Postby Stu.Murph » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:21 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Llando himself went on a rant about how Gerrard got player of the season on the lfc.tv website when he didnt deserve it. Stu can throw in his insults in a desperate attempt to make himself look clever but the simple fact is, Steve Gerrard can walk on water, part the seas and tell his dad who can and cannot get into heaven, according to people like stu, but I am different, I see people for who they are and Steven Gerrard is a great footballer who was made by Liverpool FC and his mum and dad! and I stand by what I say, what makes LFC great is the team not individuals.

What absoloute utter rubbish you are chatting.

The completely bellendness of your post is just typical of some foreign know nothin upstart who thinks he knows what he's talking about when actually has no idea at all.

Go and watch a :censored: game lad an watch the lad live. He's :censored: outstanding every single time he played.

I remember the Villa away game (you mentioned) and himself and Gareth Barry stood out by a mile for quality. No other player on the pitch looked capable of playing Sunday league yet those two stood out simpley for their over all quality. The only things in the match that were done with any quality came from those two players, the rest of the players on the pitch where a joke.

The problem stems from the dickheads who think he can do it on his own. Steven Gerrard's a team player, against Chelsea in the semi final for the first 70 minutes he was by a mile the best player on the pitch, he tackled, passed, ran, dribbled, headed the ball, he done :censored: everything and he even set the :censored: goal up for the arsewholes who can't see the rest of the game.

Its idiots who can't see the rest of his game that wind me up. This season he's played far better alround than he did last. He's quite simply failed to score the same amount of goals.

I mean, we should really expect 23 goals a season from a central midfielder... 11 is completely unacceptable... 11 goals a season from midfield... bah... disgrace! :no

:kungfu:

Oh thats where I went wrong, I replied to you. Villa game (you mentioned) when? when did I mention the villa game?
And when did I mention I expect Gerrard to win games single handedly? I didnt, and if the season gone was better than the last for him then I repeat what I ask, what has he done to warrant a new contract?

Been the best player on the pitch in just about every match he's played for us and yet again been head and shoulders above every player in the team.

If that doesn't warrent a new contract, what does?
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:44 pm

Seems to be an ongoing thing but Graham Beecroft on Talksport this morning said that Hicks and Gillett only have 15M to spend this summer.

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Postby metalhead » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:21 pm

Kharhaz wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Llando himself went on a rant about how Gerrard got player of the season on the lfc.tv website when he didnt deserve it. Stu can throw in his insults in a desperate attempt to make himself look clever but the simple fact is, Steve Gerrard can walk on water, part the seas and tell his dad who can and cannot get into heaven, according to people like stu, but I am different, I see people for who they are and Steven Gerrard is a great footballer who was made by Liverpool FC and his mum and dad! and I stand by what I say, what makes LFC great is the team not individuals.

What absoloute utter rubbish you are chatting.

The completely bellendness of your post is just typical of some foreign know nothin upstart who thinks he knows what he's talking about when actually has no idea at all.

Go and watch a :censored: game lad an watch the lad live. He's :censored: outstanding every single time he played.

I remember the Villa away game (you mentioned) and himself and Gareth Barry stood out by a mile for quality. No other player on the pitch looked capable of playing Sunday league yet those two stood out simpley for their over all quality. The only things in the match that were done with any quality came from those two players, the rest of the players on the pitch where a joke.

The problem stems from the dickheads who think he can do it on his own. Steven Gerrard's a team player, against Chelsea in the semi final for the first 70 minutes he was by a mile the best player on the pitch, he tackled, passed, ran, dribbled, headed the ball, he done :censored: everything and he even set the :censored: goal up for the arsewholes who can't see the rest of the game.

Its idiots who can't see the rest of his game that wind me up. This season he's played far better alround than he did last. He's quite simply failed to score the same amount of goals.

I mean, we should really expect 23 goals a season from a central midfielder... 11 is completely unacceptable... 11 goals a season from midfield... bah... disgrace! :no

:kungfu:

Oh thats where I went wrong, I replied to you. Villa game (you mentioned) when? when did I mention the villa game?
And when did I mention I expect Gerrard to win games single handedly? I didnt, and if the season gone was better than the last for him then I repeat what I ask, what has he done to warrant a new contract?

What has he done to warrant him a new contract mate?!?!?!

He is a key player! thats what he is, a world class player who is very important to this club, if you lose one of your best players then you are in serious trouble aren't you?

he was immense this season, I can name many games i can still remember he was immense in, villa away, everton, ac milan, chelsea, bordeux, villa at home, sheffield united, watford, etc...
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:45 am

Definately a key player but key players have gone before and been replaced, Clemence, Keegan, Hunt. I dont like the idea that the team is based around certain individuals who are guaranteed the best even when they dont play well. Would Gerrard have got a new contract if Shankly was in charge? The answer is no, he kept the players feet firmly on the ground. All I see is people trying to justify the contracts the players have recently got but the only one who consistently earns his money is Jamie Carragher. He has been rightly rewarded because he loves the club and you see it when he plays. Steve Finnan also, does the job with little to no reward, but because Gerrard and Alonso are big names its automatic. Are these contracts given for performances or because they generate shirt sales?
Dont get me wrong, I think Gerrard is the best in the world, and im glad hes decided we are the club to be at but im struggling to see why hes given another pay rise. Let his current contract run to the last year then review it. It seems to me that many on here are viewing LFC as the club which other supporters and sky view us as, and that is a one man team.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:58 am

Kharhaz wrote:Definately a key player but key players have gone before and been replaced, Clemence, Keegan, Hunt. I dont like the idea that the team is based around certain individuals who are guaranteed the best even when they dont play well. Would Gerrard have got a new contract if Shankly was in charge? The answer is no, he kept the players feet firmly on the ground. All I see is people trying to justify the contracts the players have recently got but the only one who consistently earns his money is Jamie Carragher. He has been rightly rewarded because he loves the club and you see it when he plays. Steve Finnan also, does the job with little to no reward, but because Gerrard and Alonso are big names its automatic. Are these contracts given for performances or because they generate shirt sales?
Dont get me wrong, I think Gerrard is the best in the world, and im glad hes decided we are the club to be at but im struggling to see why hes given another pay rise. Let his current contract run to the last year then review it. It seems to me that many on here are viewing LFC as the club which other supporters and sky view us as, and that is a one man team.

So what sre you saying, let Gerrard's contract run out and let him leave on a free? Don't be so bloody daft.
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:45 am

Why does it feel like im banging my head against a brick wall?
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Postby bigmick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:46 am

Well for me you might as well bang your head against a brick wall, because you are talking utter nonsense. There is barely a word in your post I agree with, it is mis-informed, incorrect and demonstrates a total lack of knowledge about the modern game and the way it works. I don't do forum rows so I will say my piece and then let you have the last word, but this in a nutshell is why I disagree with your post.

On the question of players "earning" their money, it depends which way you look at it. You could actually make the case that none of them "earn" their money purely on the grounds that they get paid such an obscene amount. Even the less glamorous types, the likes of Finnan ("who does the job with little or no reward") would be on considerably in excess of one million pounds a year. Does he earn it when the Prime minister gets about half that, or a surgeon about a tenth of it? It is of course not about "earning" it, (and you could of course argue that as 40,000 people turn up to watch eleven blokes every week and pay £35 and upwards to get in, then maybe they do earn it) it's actually about the going rate. If you pay it, you keep your best players, if you don't then you don't. That is the simple law of modern football economics.

On your assertion that key players have come before and been replaced. While it is true to say that Keegan, Dalglish etc were major players who took some replacing, Hunt to a lesser extent and Clemence being frankly a silly comparison, I think it is fair to say we had a better team overall then so the load wasn't quite so heavy. Also, when Keegan left we were able to buy Dalglish who I think most people would agree was a better player anyway, replacing Gerrard may not be so easy I wouldn't have thought.

Next is your question about Shankly. If he was around today of course he would have given Gerrard a new contract, because he was football man who understood the importance of good players. Modern day managers who are from the Shankly, no nonsense mode still pay top money. Ferguson would be the modern manager closest to Shankly and he hardly baulks at paying players top dollar if they are top performers.

As for letting top players contracts like Gerrard and Alonso run into the last season, I can only assume you don't remember the Steve Macmanaman fiasco, or more recently the Michael Owen robbery. With the greatest respect, to state on a Liverpool forum that this is what you would do demonstrates that you have a lack of understanding of the situation. Even if we were thinking of selling Gerrard anytime soon, you STILL give him a new contract to tie him in for longer and get a bigger transfer fee. That's just the way it is as the song goes.

Lastly, you imply that Gerrard has had a massively disappointing season and doesn't really care about the club. Well in my opinion he is, and was, our best player in practically every single game he played in, and as he has never kicked a ball for another club I wonder what you base the last bit on.

I'm sorry but the whole post is nonsense. You have the last word mate and I'll take over from you on the brick wall head banging.  :no
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