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by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:06 am

It seems that the press have a massive impact on your opinions.

No I take things with a pinch of salt, but I love getting caught up in the transfer speculation saga, its the only thing round here thats a bit of fun (reclaim Welsh Wizards wonderful world of W*nk :laugh:

). So as it may seem it has a massive impact on my opinions that is not true, I just go with the flow.

One thing I am grateful for though is the fact your wise words have no impact on me what so ever, if we was all as boring and pedantic as you life would be grey.

Thanks for the tip in spelling BTW ........ still it was the right Phonetic sound and you understood what I was saying.

I'm not going to get into a dictionary fight with you, you'd love it. So yes I contradicted myself, I can live with that though.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:06 am

Well I'd go on what Rafa said, that is, that Alonso was a key part of the future, and what Alonso said, that he wanted to stay and dreamed of winning the premier league with us.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:09 am

That's it Bamaga get it out of your system.

Pedantic, :laugh:

, says the one who has persisted with a personal vendetta ever since I challenged one of your posts.

And who PM's me abuse... but no I'm the pedantic one.

:sleep

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:09 am

Rafa was also worried about Xabi not signing also.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:10 am

LFC2007 wrote:That's it Bamaga get it out of your system.

Pedantic, , says the one who has persisted with a personal vendetta ever since I challenged one of your posts.

And who PM's me abuse... but no I'm the pedantic one.

When did you "challenge" one of my posts, what is this a jousting competition or something ffs !

I pm'd you to rid these stupid spats off the board, it wasnt that abusive anyway, and nothing you didnt deserve

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:15 am

Yeah but he didn't say that BEFORE Eto'o had said that he wanted to stay at Barca!

by **The_Rock** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:26 am

Actually i would be pretty much satisfied if we don't sign any player this season...So as you see if we get 1 or 2
players that would be a bonus for me. Before you guys and gals....jump my gun...hear me out. For the last few seasons,
we have brought in an average of 4 to 5 players (if u count in the january transfer).

And everytime we hear the same excuse.....give the lads a season or two. They will come good in the following season.

The other one is we have to wait for the team to gel....they need a run of games together to form a cohesive unit (i don't
know how this is gonna work with rafa's rotation...but that is for another topic)...

So instead of signing 4 to 5 players again (and waiting for them to adapt to premier league..and then waiting for the team
to adapt to them)...why don't we just don't sign no-one (and buy up all the promising youth players)...or just limit to 2 top class
players whom we know won't find it so hard/long to adapt here.

Isn't that better ? I think our 1st team is strong enough to win the league (provided rafa plays it most of the time).

Reina/
Carson
Finnan/ Carra/ Agger/ Riise/
Arbeloa Hyppia Hyppia Auerlio

Pennant/ Gerrard/ Mascherano/ Kewell/
Garcia Alonso Sissoko Garcia

Crouch/ Bellamy/
Kujt voldo (forgot his name)

As you can see, our 1st team is really good enuff to beat any team in this league. A Gerrard and Mascherano midfield
is good enuff to dominate any team in the world. As long as rafa doesn't play Gerrard on the right or a support striker,
Gerrard will have a good season.

As for strikers...you can really see crouch going on to the next level. I did not think this will happen, but you can see
him scoring goals at all levels (premier league, champions league and at international level). Kujt just has to get better
after his 1st season. As for Bellamy, i am a huge fan of him. I still think he would make an awesome RW or LW in
addition to be playing as a striker. He has pace and great close control. Not many players have these skills.

But if bellamy does go..i am sure rafa will get a pacy striker to replace him.

So as you can see, we just need another centreback (not priority though as Arbeloa can also play there) and a winger who can play on the right and left flank to have
a complete squad. If we sell Bellamy, then just buy a pacy striker...That's it.

If we are gonna buy players, then it should be a quality world class player or 2. If not, i say just stick with this team..as
average players (or even good players aren't gonna improve this team). We need world class players to improve this team.

Thats all folks.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:49 am

The_Rock wrote:Actually i would be pretty much satisfied if we don't sign any player this season...So as you see if we get 1 or 2
players that would be a bonus for me. Before you guys and gals....jump my gun...hear me out. For the last few seasons,
we have brought in an average of 4 to 5 players (if u count in the january transfer).

And everytime we hear the same excuse.....give the lads a season or two. They will come good in the following season.

The other one is we have to wait for the team to gel....they need a run of games together to form a cohesive unit (i don't
know how this is gonna work with rafa's rotation...but that is for another topic)...

So instead of signing 4 to 5 players again (and waiting for them to adapt to premier league..and then waiting for the team
to adapt to them)...why don't we just don't sign no-one (and buy up all the promising youth players)...or just limit to 2 top class
players whom we know won't find it so hard/long to adapt here.

Isn't that better ? I think our 1st team is strong enough to win the league (provided rafa plays it most of the time).

Reina/
Carson
Finnan/ Carra/ Agger/ Riise/
Arbeloa Hyppia Hyppia Auerlio

Pennant/ Gerrard/ Mascherano/ Kewell/
Garcia Alonso Sissoko Garcia

Crouch/ Bellamy/
Kujt voldo (forgot his name)

As you can see, our 1st team is really good enuff to beat any team in this league. A Gerrard and Mascherano midfield
is good enuff to dominate any team in the world. As long as rafa doesn't play Gerrard on the right or a support striker,
Gerrard will have a good season.

As for strikers...you can really see crouch going on to the next level. I did not think this will happen, but you can see
him scoring goals at all levels (premier league, champions league and at international level). Kujt just has to get better
after his 1st season. As for Bellamy, i am a huge fan of him. I still think he would make an awesome RW or LW in
addition to be playing as a striker. He has pace and great close control. Not many players have these skills.

But if bellamy does go..i am sure rafa will get a pacy striker to replace him.

So as you can see, we just need another centreback (not priority though as Arbeloa can also play there) and a winger who can play on the right and left flank to have
a complete squad. If we sell Bellamy, then just buy a pacy striker...That's it.

If we are gonna buy players, then it should be a quality world class player or 2. If not, i say just stick with this team..as
average players (or even good players aren't gonna improve this team). We need world class players to improve this team.

Thats all folks.

I am of a similar mind mate but feel we do need to strengthen if we are to make any inroads on the Mancs and Chelsea. Quality not quantity is whats needed. I would happily settle for 3 quality signings, a striker, a winger and a creative second striker.

To not improve the quality of the team would be a mistake in my opinion, because I feel we would again struggle to break sides down and score enough to maintain a title challenge.(Even though we might benefit initially from a settled squad)

by **The_Rock** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:02 am

s@int wrote:Quality not quantity is whats needed. I would happily settle for 3 quality signings, a striker, a winger and a creative second striker.

I don't mind if we get 3 world class players (as they will not confirm to the "wait for a season to adapt" syndrome)..... But don't think, with 40 million...we could afford 3. Maybe 2 if we really push the strings......

But we do agree on 1 thing.....No more quantity (squad players)...its time for quality.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:51 am

I'm not Ciggy's agent or anything, but when she first talked about a Dutch bloke called Dirk Kite (sp) it had not been mentioned in any newspaper anywhere, and the vast majority of us on here had never even heard of him.
I remember vividly when she said, "you'll never guess who we're in for and I can't fecking believe it, Peter Crouch!". People either went along the lines of "if we sign Peter Crouch, I'll stick a banjo up me erse and jump over Beaches" or they crawled off to commit suicide. Nobody believed it, it hadn't even been whispered in the press but lo and behold it came true. Harry Kewell to start in the Champions League final, the day before the game? yep you've guessed it, Ciggaroonie on the case.
Last season in the window Leon predicted Bellamy, (admittedly this one had been trailed in the Press) while Daniel Agger was talked about on here long before the tabloids got hold of it.
I suppose you could say that there's that much specualtion that sooner or later somebody is bound to get one right, and of course that's true. Having said that, I don't think Uncle Albert has called any yet despite having numerous guesses, and yet it doesn't make me enjoy reading his posts any the less.

One last thing. To claim now that Alonso has signed a new contract and is obviously NOT going to Barcelona, that anyone who thought any different was some kind of numpty, despite the fact that none of us knew what was happening behind the scenes is kind of not on really. It is my very strong hunch that at least one of the clubs floated the Alonso plus cash for Eto idea, and to now give the impression just because it didn't actually happen that it was an absolutely inconcieveable idea is false in my opinion. That said, I'm glad we kept Alonso as long as it wasn't at the expense of signing a top forward.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:01 am

I agree saying that those that speculated with Alonso leaving for a swap do not deserve to be called numpty for that. I think though, that those of us that said that we believed in the quotes of the player and Rafa (Alonso said at some point he wanted the premiership, and Rafa said at some point that he wanted a long term contract) didn't deserve to be called, "biased" to Alonso, neither. We all just were giving opinions sometimes, and bringing articles to comment other times.

Some of the rumourology concerning Alonso was ridiculous though. To read 40M + Alonso or Sissoko was a joke. It's a joke because that was read in the press. When I read a poster and I disagree I just think, that's his opinion, but when I read a journalist claiming that and I realise he's paid for it, it really puts my nerves on.

So 40M + Sissoko or Alonso? That's something Barcelona would get. That's saying that Alonso has a value of 20 M or so, when yesteryear a 25M offer was rejected as ridiculous. And that's saying aswell that Alonso and Sissoko have the same value. It didn't make much sense in my view. The worst part of it, is that actually some posters, and I honestly don't remember who because it was more than 6 or 7, would see that swap with good eyes. Some statements are not just logic.

All that in the mean time that the press also stated that Alonso was making ultimatums to play the final, and in the mean time that many fans were saying that we wouldn't miss him that much.

I don't like edges, mates. When I joined here, Alonso was the Mascherano. Everything he did, it was praised. He farted, he was praised. He jumped for a ball, he was praised. It was a lil bit ridiculous the Alonso praising. In my eyes, Alonso is a tougher player now, but the same fans (not one or two, but lots) say that he's not compatible with Gerrard (which is debatable), he's weak defending, which is bóllocks and we could live perfectly without him because we now have Mascherano. I'd just like some point in the middle in the praising/slashing of the players.

Mascherano? I think he's a great player, and I'm sure once the "kid with new runners" syndrome ends, I'll be defending him from people criticising his game after 2 bad games. Now I read not from 2, but from 10 or 15 that he had Kaka in his pocket in the final. Well I saw some mistakes of him aswell, and I think others were as important to keep kaka in the pocket as him. But now he's receiving the same praises Alonso was receiving. My personal position is always to not be on an edge, and both with Alonso and Mascherano many people were on an edge.

As for the signing thingy, the people is also on an edge. One day we're going to bang Barcelona and Valencia doors and bring Eto'o and Villa, and the next day we're poorer than Charlton and all is lost.

That's why I've liked a lot The Rock's post. Because he puts in perspective a couple of things, we already have a good squad, that can be improved, but even if we don't bring Villa, the world won't be finnished.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:21 am

The problem was that some people reacted like hysterical schoolgirls when the idea of a swop involving Alonso was mooted. No one said Alonso was cr@p but many people including myself thought that if money was tight they would prefer Eto'o, rather than buying a second rate striker and keeping Alonso.

My opinion hasn't changed, if we could swop Sissoko or Alonso and £15million or so for Eto'o because we couldn't afford to buy him outright I would snatch their hands off. I would prefer Eto'o, Alonso and Sissoko but if thats not possible because of monetary constraints, I would prefer Eto'o to Forlan and Alonso.

This is not about Alonso's ability or lack of it, its about what people see as best for Liverpool fc. My view is that we need a quality forward more than a fifth midfielder.

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:22 am

The_Rock wrote:Actually i would be pretty much satisfied if we don't sign any player this season...So as you see if we get 1 or 2
players that would be a bonus for me. Before you guys and gals....jump my gun...hear me out. For the last few seasons,
we have brought in an average of 4 to 5 players (if u count in the january transfer).

And everytime we hear the same excuse.....give the lads a season or two. They will come good in the following season.

The other one is we have to wait for the team to gel....they need a run of games together to form a cohesive unit (i don't
know how this is gonna work with rafa's rotation...but that is for another topic)...

So instead of signing 4 to 5 players again (and waiting for them to adapt to premier league..and then waiting for the team
to adapt to them)...why don't we just don't sign no-one (and buy up all the promising youth players)...or just limit to 2 top class
players whom we know won't find it so hard/long to adapt here.

Isn't that better ? I think our 1st team is strong enough to win the league (provided rafa plays it most of the time).

Reina/
Carson
Finnan/ Carra/ Agger/ Riise/
Arbeloa Hyppia Hyppia Auerlio

Pennant/ Gerrard/ Mascherano/ Kewell/
Garcia Alonso Sissoko Garcia

Crouch/ Bellamy/
Kujt voldo (forgot his name)

As you can see, our 1st team is really good enuff to beat any team in this league. A Gerrard and Mascherano midfield
is good enuff to dominate any team in the world. As long as rafa doesn't play Gerrard on the right or a support striker,
Gerrard will have a good season.

As for strikers...you can really see crouch going on to the next level. I did not think this will happen, but you can see
him scoring goals at all levels (premier league, champions league and at international level). Kujt just has to get better
after his 1st season. As for Bellamy, i am a huge fan of him. I still think he would make an awesome RW or LW in
addition to be playing as a striker. He has pace and great close control. Not many players have these skills.

But if bellamy does go..i am sure rafa will get a pacy striker to replace him.

So as you can see, we just need another centreback (not priority though as Arbeloa can also play there) and a winger who can play on the right and left flank to have
a complete squad. If we sell Bellamy, then just buy a pacy striker...That's it.

If we are gonna buy players, then it should be a quality world class player or 2. If not, i say just stick with this team..as
average players (or even good players aren't gonna improve this team). We need world class players to improve this team.

Thats all folks.

but I dont think that 1st team is good enough to beat anyone. thats the problem. with the exception of kewell thats the same team that couldnt break down villa, man city, newcastle or man utd.

for starters kuyt will be first choice ahead of bellamy and crouch in rafas eyes, and even after a settling in season, I really dont see any of them being prolific (unless crouch starts twice as many games as this season).

without rose tinted specs, that first 11 is still behind chelsea's and utds first 11. - Apart from masherano who came in jan, thats the same squad that finished 21 points off the top and 15points behind chelsea. I know kewell was injured for the whole season, but thats no excuse. you have to take injuries into account, chelsea had terry, carvelho and cech out at the same time for a couple of games, losing cech and jcole for over half a season

What we really need is 3 or 4 world class players, but realistically, we cant buy them all at once. I would settle for 1 or 2 world class players this summer, then 1 or 2 the following summer.

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:24 am

s@int wrote:The problem was that some people reacted like hysterical schoolgirls when the idea of a swop involving Alonso was mooted. No one said Alonso was cr@p but many people including myself thought that if money was tight they would prefer Eto'o, rather than buying a second rate striker and keeping Alonso.

My opinion hasn't changed, if we could swop Sissoko or Alonso and £15million or so for Eto'o because we couldn't afford to buy him outright I would snatch their hands off. I would prefer Eto'o, Alonso and Sissoko but if thats not possible because of monetary constraints, I would prefer Eto'o to Forlan and Alonso.

This is not about Alonso's ability or lack of it, its about what people see as best for Liverpool fc. My view is that we need a quality forward more than a fifth midfielder.

hear hear.

I have been thinking the same, since it was first mentioned, i love our xabi, but i feel that getting a world class striker would be the greater good.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:27 am

anyone who thinks we dont need to make changes is deluding themselves, hey lets get biscan and traore back, at least we won the CL with them.

anyway sadly today there are reports that rafa is interested in diego forlan, just let that sink in a minute, this is the diego forlan who couldnt score goals in england for a team that knows how to attack. and now apparently rafa thinks he is the man to score goals for us

i sometimes do wonder what is going on in rafas head

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