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Postby MASTER » Thu May 10, 2007 11:56 am

Just accept Cisse for his strengths, I just fail to see the value in getting less than £10m for him when he scored 20 goals and scored way more than bellamy or morientes who were first choices in the last 2 years plus he is obviously a brave player after 2 awful injuries, and plus we are bound to get injuries next season so unless it is a deal with add ons linked to his goalscoring coming up to about £10m it is pointless, and who said he is one dimensional compared to Bellamy, has to be the WORST £6M we have EVER spent after the hassle he has caused and with 6 goals, awful tally.
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Postby puroresu » Thu May 10, 2007 11:59 am

I can understand Rafa not being keen on Cisse but never understood why he signed Bellamy as a replacement.  I think the only reason Rafa signed him was because of the £6 mil clause. I knew Bellamy wouldnt be prolific and wouldnt score many goals at Anfield.  His never been prolific and for me it was a strange signing.  I dont think Cisse is coming back and I think he will end up the OM but Bellamy has to go!!!
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Postby Agger_The_Dagger » Thu May 10, 2007 7:27 pm

MASTER................

It is very difficult to accept Cisse for his strengths on the basis that he doesn't really have any that can't be counted on more than two fingers.

1. Pace
2. Powerful Shot

I am now struggling to add to the list in all honesty!

He doesn't read the game or anticipate what his team-mates are going to do and his vision is terrible along with a lazy attitude and poor positional sense.

Quite where a fee of £10,000,000 will come from for a player with such limited ability is completely beyond me.

If Cisse lost his pace he would be effectively a pub-standard footballer. Even most players at that level can manage to control the ball once in a while!

The £14,000,000 outlay from Houllier is an absolute travesty and I would honestly be amazed if we were able to claw back £3,500,000 that Man City are claimed to be ready to offer.

What exactly would they be getting in return for their £3,500,000??

Pongolle is leaving for a fee in the region of £2,700,000 and I actually think he is a better footballer than Cisse quite comfortably.
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Postby puroresu » Thu May 10, 2007 9:33 pm

Agger_The_Dagger wrote:MASTER................

It is very difficult to accept Cisse for his strengths on the basis that he doesn't really have any that can't be counted on more than two fingers.

1. Pace
2. Powerful Shot

I am now struggling to add to the list in all honesty!

He doesn't read the game or anticipate what his team-mates are going to do and his vision is terrible along with a lazy attitude and poor positional sense.

Quite where a fee of £10,000,000 will come from for a player with such limited ability is completely beyond me.

If Cisse lost his pace he would be effectively a pub-standard footballer. Even most players at that level can manage to control the ball once in a while!

The £14,000,000 outlay from Houllier is an absolute travesty and I would honestly be amazed if we were able to claw back £3,500,000 that Man City are claimed to be ready to offer.

What exactly would they be getting in return for their £3,500,000??

Pongolle is leaving for a fee in the region of £2,700,000 and I actually think he is a better footballer than Cisse quite comfortably.

Not being funny but with so little strengths doesnt that show how poor Bellamy is then?  For me its pretty worrying that a player with just those 2 attributes managed to score more goals than Bellamy & Kuyt and he was out of position.
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Postby Agger_The_Dagger » Thu May 10, 2007 9:46 pm

If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!
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Postby europian-kings » Thu May 10, 2007 9:49 pm

i think cisse had enough time to show wat he can do and he didnt do that.
but i would give him one last chance to prove himself, weather rafa will give him that chance is highly undoubtful but meh
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Postby puroresu » Thu May 10, 2007 10:22 pm

Agger_The_Dagger wrote:If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!

And what about Bellamy?  Has Kuyt reached the target his Manager set him?

Just for the record how many goals have Bellamy or Kuyt scored v the big sides?  Kuyt hasnt scored 1 CL goal which for me is pretty poor.
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 10, 2007 10:53 pm

puroresu wrote:
Agger_The_Dagger wrote:If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!

And what about Bellamy?  Has Kuyt reached the target his Manager set him?

Just for the record how many goals have Bellamy or Kuyt scored v the big sides?  Kuyt hasnt scored 1 CL goal which for me is pretty poor.

the difference in kuyt and bellamy to cisse is that they work their :censored: off for the team and dont start wandering round shrugging their shoulders or waving their arms around like magnus pike if a pass misses them by two yards or something.
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Postby puroresu » Thu May 10, 2007 11:00 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Agger_The_Dagger wrote:If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!

And what about Bellamy?  Has Kuyt reached the target his Manager set him?

Just for the record how many goals have Bellamy or Kuyt scored v the big sides?  Kuyt hasnt scored 1 CL goal which for me is pretty poor.

the difference in kuyt and bellamy to cisse is that they work their :censored: off for the team and dont start wandering round shrugging their shoulders or waving their arms around like magnus pike if a pass misses them by two yards or something.

will not despute that at all.  my question is do they offer anymore when it comes to scoring goals.  I can see an argument with Kuyt but no way with Bellamy.
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 10, 2007 11:09 pm

puroresu wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Agger_The_Dagger wrote:If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!

And what about Bellamy?  Has Kuyt reached the target his Manager set him?

Just for the record how many goals have Bellamy or Kuyt scored v the big sides?  Kuyt hasnt scored 1 CL goal which for me is pretty poor.

the difference in kuyt and bellamy to cisse is that they work their :censored: off for the team and dont start wandering round shrugging their shoulders or waving their arms around like magnus pike if a pass misses them by two yards or something.

will not despute that at all.  my question is do they offer anymore when it comes to scoring goals.  I can see an argument with Kuyt but no way with Bellamy.

bellamy has never really had a good run in the side, when he has come in he unselfishly runs the channels and puts crosses in for his team mates.
more than once this season he has caused teams major problems with his intelligent runs dragging centre halves out of their central comfort zone .
apart from milan who ran into a ring rusty vidjic returning from a shoulder injury craig bellamy is the only player this season to rip vidjic`s game to shreds as he did at anfield.
he was also outstanding at the nou camp dragging puyol everywhere where he didnt want to go.
he`s not just about goals, he`s a team player.
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Postby kobashi » Fri May 11, 2007 11:44 am

I think these two video's from this season shows Djib has awareness of his teamates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W2SurGGnRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfC9isUJH2o
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Postby Owzat » Fri May 11, 2007 1:57 pm

puroresu wrote:
Agger_The_Dagger wrote:If you bear in mind that Cisse actually played quite a lot up front last season it isn't really fair to suggest that he scored 19 goals from the right wing as that clearly isn't true.

At the end of the day he actually only managed to score 9 Premiership goals which Dirk Kuyt has managed this season.

Cisse didn't manage a goal against any of the big clubs in the Prem because he is ineffective when coming up against the better defenders even with his phenomenal pace.

Houllier paid £14,000,000 for a £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 player and unfortunately that is something we are going to have to swallow when it comes to cashing in on him.

When we signed Cisse I was expecting someone capable of replacing the void left by Owens departure.

Seeing Cisse in action made me want to believe that this was an unfunny 'Beadles about' stunt and that someone would say 'just kidding!!.......here is the real Cisse!!'..as his body double that obviously isn't a footballer is taken away and the man that we paid £14,000,000 for is finally introduced to us.

Nobody is going to pay us more than what Cisse is worth and if Stuart Pearce thinks that £3,500,000 is good business for Manchester City....more the fool him!

And what about Bellamy?  Has Kuyt reached the target his Manager set him?

Just for the record how many goals have Bellamy or Kuyt scored v the big sides?  Kuyt hasnt scored 1 CL goal which for me is pretty poor.

Total

Bellamy - 9 goals in 42 appearances
Kuyt - 11 goals in 46 appearances

Home

Bellamy 3
Kuyt 10

Away

Bellamy 6
Kuyt 3

By Opponent

Bellamy

1 vs Barcelona
1 vs Maccabi Haifa

1 vs Blackburn
1 vs Newcastle
2 vs Wigan
1 vs Charlton
2 vs Watford

Kuyt

1 vs Chelsea
1 vs Arsenal
1 vs Bolton
1 vs Tottenham
3 vs Reading
1 vs Aston Villa
1 vs Newcastle
1 vs West Ham
3 vs Wigan

No goals for Kuyt in Europe but he has scored against better teams than Bellamy generally
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Postby Agger_The_Dagger » Fri May 11, 2007 4:59 pm

Whilst I naturally won't even attempt to dispute the fact that 'a goal is a goal'.....regardless of how it goes in.......If you look at the 19 goals that Cisse scored last season I would expect under half of them to have ended up in the proverbial 'Onion bag'.

A few of his goals were nicely taken (vs Everton) but on the whole they have just been long range blasts that keepers have flapped at or mishit crosses with a few penalties thrown in for good measure.

Nobody can argue with his 19 goals last season looks good on paper and that isn't a bad tally but if you analyse the opposition and the way in which the ball has ended up in the net....it doesn't show the full story.

If you consider how many of Frank Lampards goals take wicked deflections and end up in the back of the net.....it doesn't necessarily make him a brilliant goalscoring midfielder as a lot of his goals would have been comfortable saves if they hadn't been deflected.
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Postby kobashi » Fri May 11, 2007 5:49 pm

both goals vs Anderlecht very well taken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me8bWveWJ0U
Goal vs Everton was a great finish
goal vs west brom where he rounded the keeper was well taken. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XNHrfYfnps
Goal vs West Ham in Cup Final was a great finish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YicO6dgsNIo
Goal vs West Ham at Upton Park was a good strike that came of post and went in, 2nd goal keeper should of done better.
Goal Vs Portsmouth (away) was a good finish drilled into the bottom corner when 1 vs 1 against the keeper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6I7WW3zDA
Goal vs Portsmouth (home) was a cross which luckily lobbed the keeper.
Goal vs Blackburn (Home) was a great strike into the bottom corner.

He had a penalty vs Newcatle (away) and Birmingham (away), I can't recall any long range blasts.  if you can name them please do.
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Postby kobashi » Sat May 12, 2007 7:59 pm

Cisse just scored in French Cup Final.  1-0 up 8 mins into the game!

he has scored in 3 cup finals now for 3 different clubs.  Game is on live on Setana Sports 2.
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