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by **woof woof !** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:55 pm

Metalhead .

I can't pretend to understand the politics of your region so bear with me .

As much as I have grown to regard Isreal as an almost (ironically) neo nazi power within the middle east ,surely the Lebanese gov't (who by their own admission are powerless to stop Hezbullah without inciting civil war) would be better served by allying themselves with Isreal and ridding Lebanon of terrorists whatever their nationality be it Lebanese, Syrian, Saudi, Iraqui or Iranian ? . I have no doubt that the Israelis would welcome a strong and stable peace loving neighbour on it's northen border.Or does history and the blood spilt run to deep to make this feasible ? .

Peace loving muslims need to make a decision .Ideology or Pragmatism .

by **metalhead** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:20 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Metalhead .

I can't pretend to understand the politics of your region so bear with me .

As much as I have grown to regard Isreal as an almost (ironically) neo nazi power within the middle east ,surely the Lebanese gov't (who by their own admission are powerless to stop Hezbullah without inciting civil war) would be better served by allying themselves with Isreal and ridding Lebanon of terrorists whatever their nationality be it Lebanese, Syrian, Saudi, Iraqui or Iranian ? . I have no doubt that the Israelis would welcome a strong and stable peace loving neighbour on it's northen border.Or does history and the blood spilt run to deep to make this feasible ? .

Peace loving muslims need to make a decision .Ideology or Pragmatism .

You have a really good point about the peace between Israel and Lebanon woof, but it won't happen in this generation! maybe the next two generation when the conflicts between the 2 sides stop.

the FACT is that the lebanese people in this era hates the israelis, we hate them! we can't be friends. The Lebanese government right now really hate them because of what they are doing right now. We are all furious with what they did because its unjustified! On the other hand, Israel wants to destroy us because they saw us becoming, economically a very prosporus country.

I agree with you that the Lebanese government cannot stop hizballah because they are powerless, plus the Seniora government is just new! The Lebanese parliament, with the help of western countries worked so hard to making a unified Lebanese government. Remember that politically lebanon was corrupt because of different sects fighting over each other (the civil war). Now Lebanon is becoming unified and we are becoming more a one unit when the israel-lebanon war happened right now. Hizballah are a militia and the Lebanese government are scared to use the 1559 decision because it may ignite a civil war.

Right now it is impossible to have peace with Israel or even become friends with the zionists, for me i don't want to become friends with them, because they have destroyed my country, my home and my people. I hope you understand this woof.

Cheers

by **Sabre** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:57 pm

Hi Metalhead!!

I know it won't make you feel much better when so many countrymates have been killed and so much work to build a prosperous Líbano (Lebanon) have been destroyed, but Spain is following your crisis closely (important in the news and so on) and the great majority of Spain is with your cause.

Reports indicate that several N.A.T.O countries among them Spain would be willing to spread over the south of Lebanon to keep the peace, what do you think about this idea? It's obvious it would keep the Israelies from attacking that part of Lebanon, but would all the parts of your country welcome such a force so that safety is gained, or would they consider to be diminishing your independence? What do you think it would be Hizb-Allah's reaction to such a force?

by **Kash_Mountain** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:02 pm

Metalhead, good to know your ok.

I know a lot of people say that this kind of violence won't end, but I believe it will. Hopefully alot sooner than most think.

The wars around the world have to stop, they absolutlely have to in order for the human race to move on and grow.

I can't understand why people say that all this is in name of God. God doesn't make war, people do.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:45 pm

metalhead wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Metalhead .

I can't pretend to understand the politics of your region so bear with me .

As much as I have grown to regard Isreal as an almost (ironically) neo nazi power within the middle east ,surely the Lebanese gov't (who by their own admission are powerless to stop Hezbullah without inciting civil war) would be better served by allying themselves with Isreal and ridding Lebanon of terrorists whatever their nationality be it Lebanese, Syrian, Saudi, Iraqui or Iranian ? . I have no doubt that the Israelis would welcome a strong and stable peace loving neighbour on it's northen border.Or does history and the blood spilt run to deep to make this feasible ? .

Peace loving muslims need to make a decision .Ideology or Pragmatism .

You have a really good point about the peace between Israel and Lebanon woof, but it won't happen in this generation! maybe the next two generation when the conflicts between the 2 sides stop.

the FACT is that the lebanese people in this era hates the israelis, we hate them! we can't be friends. The Lebanese government right now really hate them because of what they are doing right now. We are all furious with what they did because its unjustified! On the other hand, Israel wants to destroy us because they saw us becoming, economically a very prosporus country.

I agree with you that the Lebanese government cannot stop hizballah because they are powerless, plus the Seniora government is just new! The Lebanese parliament, with the help of western countries worked so hard to making a unified Lebanese government. Remember that politically lebanon was corrupt because of different sects fighting over each other (the civil war). Now Lebanon is becoming unified and we are becoming more a one unit when the israel-lebanon war happened right now. Hizballah are a militia and the Lebanese government are scared to use the 1559 decision because it may ignite a civil war.

Right now it is impossible to have peace with Israel or even become friends with the zionists, for me i don't want to become friends with them, because they have destroyed my country, my home and my people. I hope you understand this woof.

Cheers

My sympathy is entire with the peace loving Lebanese people metalhead . I do not support Israels actions but do to a point understand them .

I think you are wrong when you say "Israel wants to destroy us because they saw us becoming, economically a very prosporus country"

Imo Israel wants to destroy any neighbour (economically prosporous or not) that serves as a base for attacks against them.

Israel is bent on destroying the unofficial army (hezbullah) that is attacking them . Unfortunately for the majority of the Lebanese that unofficial army is based in Lebanon.

Like I said , I don't applaud the Israeli action but I do understand it . When you consider how they went to the extermination camps in ww2, you shouldn't be suprised that their reaction to threat from that day on has been one of fighting fire with fire .

by **Sabre** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:59 pm

I think you are wrong when you say "Israel wants to destroy us because they saw us becoming, economically a very prosporus country"

Imo Israel wants to destroy any neighbour (economically prosporous or not) that serves as a base for attacks against them.

Woof Woof, facts are facts.

If that 3 last lines were true, Israel would be bombing the south Libanon positions from where the Kathiuskas are falling. Attacking those positions, and even entering Libanese territory to attack with artillery and infantry those positions where the F-16 cannot reach would be logical from a millitary point of view to gain their safety. The civilians killed in Haifa are unacceptable, and should be stopped, and I agree you that Israel have the right to attack the positions from where those attacks come from.

But you have on front of you other facts. Beirut, Tiro, Sidon bombed, ports blocked, roads destroyed alongside the country, telephone lines destroyed. Those are known facts, and those facts support Metalhead's version, as this kinds of attacks DO NOT serve Israel's safety whatsoever, and ruins Lebanon's economic progress.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:33 am

Don't think your getting my point Sabre . Essentially if Hezbullah were not in Lebanon , Israel would not be attacking any targets in that country . I'm not making any excuses for the indescriminate way in which Israel are conducting their operations . It may appear that they are bent on destroying the prosporous innocent elements in Lebanon , perhaps that forms part of their strategy to undermine Hezbullah .But I cant agree that they are attacking purely because Lebanon has been enjoying a period of economic revival as Metalhead suggested .

quote Metalhead "Israel wants to destroy us because they saw us becoming, economically a very prosporus country "

by **Judge** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:20 am

i think metahead's been reading the local hezbollah times

by **hawkmoon269** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:21 am

You also have to remember that Isreal gave the Lebanese Government ample opportunity since Sept 2004 to disarm Hezbollah [and therefore adhering to UN Security Council Resolution 1559], but they are refusing to do this, using symantics to justify their continued refusal.

I believe that the targeting of infrastructure (ports, bridges, power stations) is an attempt to force the Lebanese government to act - either themselves or request UN intervention.

Also remember how this started, Hezbollah cross the border into Israel and killed/kidnapped Israeli soldiers.

by **Fowler_E7** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:52 am

why should Hezbollah disarm? the only reason they exist is because of previous invasions by the israel into south lebanon! Israel is intent on being the sole power in the Middle East and will destroy anything that oposes that.

by **Judge** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:30 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:why should Hezbollah disarm? the only reason they exist is because of previous invasions by the israel into south lebanon! Israel is intent on being the sole power in the Middle East and will destroy anything that oposes that.

why ?

i'll tell you why

hezbollah are not a democratically elected government, so shouldnt have any military hardware at all.

i mean do you have a gun at home ?? No you dont

think about it

by **metalhead** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:34 pm

hey sabre, well i do think putting a NATO force in the south of lebanon would be a good idea but the majority of the south in lebanon would disagree about it. Hizb-allah ofcourse won't approve of it, Nasrallah and his force wants to stay in the south of Lebanon unless the U.N and hizballah negotiate. I think the Lebanese army should be put in the borders. Oh and btw, its not tiro its Tyre or Sour :laugh:

I disagree with you woof, with or without attack bases Israel would always find an excuse to hit us and destroy us. Every Lebanese or Arab would agree about this. I'll take you back to 1982, when the first Israel invasion. This time there were no Hizb-allah, but when Israel invaded lebanon, hizballah formed.

hawkmoon, the Lebanese government can't disarm hizballah because it would create a civil war and the government can't risk that.

Judge, I'm watching LBC thank you very much

by **metalhead** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:36 pm

Judge wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:why should Hezbollah disarm? the only reason they exist is because of previous invasions by the israel into south lebanon! Israel is intent on being the sole power in the Middle East and will destroy anything that oposes that.

why ?

i'll tell you why

hezbollah are not a democratically elected government, so shouldnt have any military hardware at all.

i mean do you have a gun at home ?? No you dont

think about it

Well they do have seats in the Lebanese Parliament so it makes them part of the Lebanese government

by **Judge** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:40 pm

metalhead wrote:
Judge wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:why should Hezbollah disarm? the only reason they exist is because of previous invasions by the israel into south lebanon! Israel is intent on being the sole power in the Middle East and will destroy anything that oposes that.

why ?

i'll tell you why

hezbollah are not a democratically elected government, so shouldnt have any military hardware at all.

i mean do you have a gun at home ?? No you dont

think about it

Well they do have seats in the Lebanese Parliament so it makes them part of the Lebanese government

its not quite the same, they are not the government

i mean, can you imagine our John Prescott with a gun, blimey, he bad news with his dick

:laugh:

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