stmichael wrote:For me you can narrow down when it all started to go wrong. Around 9.20pm on April 9, 2002. The venue was Germany.
Dietmar Hamann was subbed against Bayer Leverkusen in the Champions' League quarter-final.
The dip began. It became a blip, turned into a plateau and eventually led the club into a black hole. Liverpool would return to the land of mediocrity.
They led 2-1 on aggregate during the second half on that promising spring night. They lost 4-3.
The removal of Hamann was an indisputable turning point. Previously unquestioning elements of Liverpool's support started to fear Houllier's judgement was flawed and from this moment evidence started to pile up.
We should have been in the champions league final that year because i still think we would have beaten manure in the semis after beating them twice in the league.



I think who ever comes in as new manager there will be questiones asked, i think actions have to speak louder then words. Its all right saying were going to do this and that its conveying it onto the pitch that really maters. Why aren't we competing for top quality players, were making do with players who can do simular jobs(only in poor leagues). Theres a lot of dead wood that need clearing out, gerard downfall as well as that European game is his "SHOCKING" signings or more there impact. We become to predictable in our play under gerard, with taems packing there defence and midfield in the knowledge that we aren't willing to atack,then there attacking us and winning the game. The way for the new manager to judge the team is how many world class players have we got, honestly without been biased, how many we got? And how many young players with alot of potential( Le tallec, Pongolle, Baros, Kirkland) have had a good chance? I think we need to splash cash and bring some quality high profile signing ASAP to re assure fans we can compete. lets face it 15-20 years ago 4th place for LFC was classed as a disaster, so why have we come to except 4th as a good season?
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