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by **H_K_LFC** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:32 am

Lets take out the entertainment value(i mean tricks)and who is the better player.For me it's Gerrard...

Ronaldinho has 19 goals and Gerrard 21 this season
Gerrard has more influence on the team than Ronaldinho(I feel)
Gerrard can defend,Ronaldinho can't

People who watch clips of Ronaldinho playing don't really have a vaild view point because most clips jus show his tricks.
They both are world class and Ronaldinho is the most gifted player with the ball at his feet but if i was offered one of them i would take Stevie.He is for me the best midfielder in the world because he is all over the park,defending,attacking,scoring,passing and he does everything at a world class level.He can play on the right,in the middle and probably on the left if u asked him to play there.
There is no denying Ronaldinho's class and ability but Gerrard offer's more in different positions and therefore for me is the best midfielder in the world.

by **Feeney** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:58 am

If you take the entertainment value out tho HK, you lose about 50% of Ronaldinho. You watch him for that, that is what makes him a great player and Barcelona an attraction to watch and IMO, the best midfielder (by the way, is he even a midfielder? Where does he play?) in the world right now.

Let's put them on a level playing field at least.....

by **H_K_LFC** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:06 am

I would say he is an attacking midfielder and i know what point your making Feeney and i agree with you but i'm talking about for the team.I just think Gerrard offers more than him and for me makes him better as an all round player.

by **Feeney** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:21 am

This type of comparison reminds me a lot of many conversations i've had about Garcia. I've been one to defend him to the hilt, purely because he has scored the goals that have really mattered, despite his performances in other games where he has had little to no impact.

So, IMO......

His goals and magic moments have put the team through or won points where they wern't there before and from that his contribution has been unquestionable. That's pretty much how I feel about Ronaldinho - contribution unquestionable and his presence in games has won far many more games than it could have possibly have lost. Put on top that he has basically taken the pi$$ out of some of the best teams in Europe this year put him ahead for me.

by **H_K_LFC** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:35 am

That's all true and i agree with you.Maybe i'm looking at this from a defensive point of view but i just feel Gerrard has other qualitites which Ronaldinho doesn't have yet he still does all the things Ronaldinho does(e.g score,rip apart a team) in just a different way.

But i do agree that Ronaldinho is the best player to watch with the ball at his feet right now,it's amazing all the stuff he does in Joga advert.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:30 am

Gerrard.

Not as flashy, but a damn-site more effective.

by **The Ace1983** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:31 am

Depends what your looking for really. Gerrard is a no nonsense, goal scoring, cross hitting, driving force. Ronaldinho is a super-fly, innovative, goal scoring sensation. But for Liverpool, I'd take Stevie any day because he can make the whole team work harder. I'd love to have them both though.

by **72-1146193975** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:52 am

Ronaldinho

If you manage to think with your head there is no doubt at all that Ronaldinho is the better player of the two.
The entertainment that he provides along with his ruthless efficiency is miles apart from the rest of the field,gerrard and lampard included.
The reason why creative and flashy players like zidane,ronaldo and ronaldinho win the FIFA player of the year awards is because they are effective in what they do yet intetaining.
It would be grim day for soccer if say,Lampard won the FIFA player of the year award.He is very effective in his team and has helped them with back-to-back prem titles,but he's boring to watch.

Gerrard is far more entertaining than Lampard but still Ronaldinho is more consistent when it come to that.
I love Gerrard but i vote ronaldinho

by **andy_g** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:07 am

people have a very distorted image of ronaldinho, one that sees them convinced that he's game is mainly tricks and flicks and that he can't and/or won't defend. the truth is that during his early games at barcelona he would regularly be seen winning the ball back at his own corner flag or wherever else he wanted it at any place on the pitch. he carried the team in very much the same way that gerrard has done for us. it was the bringing in of deco and the advice of the staff not to burn himslef out playing like that that has seen him spend most of his time on the pitch as an attacking player.

but even as an attacking player its not just the tricks and flicks that make him a good player, they are actually embelishments to an already fine talent. ronaldinho can run as powerfully with the ball as anyone in the game and close down players when he hasn't, he can spot a short pass as well as floating the ball to a player on the other side of the pitch while selling the opposing player a dummy with his eyes.

the media love the image of this pure attacking player with all the flair in the world but it actually does the guy a disservice by ignoring the other aspects of his game. if i had to choose one midfielder in the world (if we're going to include him as a midfielder) i would pick ronaldinho every time. however if i had to lose gerrard to have ronaldinho in the team it would be a very very difficult decision to have to make. gerrard might just edge it for me for a number of reasons to do with local pride, heart and the romance of it all.

by **RichardLFC1** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:14 am

They are both excellent players but what gives gerrard the edge is that he can defend aswell as attack

by **AussieKopite** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:06 pm

Ronaldinho is a left-side attacking midfielder.

Gerrard is a central and right-hand midfielder who in the past has played for Liverpool in right-back among other positions.

Ronaldinho is deadly with a free kick.

Gerrard is deadly from 30 yards out on the fly.

Ronaldinho has fantastic ball control (from his futsal days).

Gerrard has tremendous heart and spirit.

They both are fantastic, have their strengths and weaknesses and both are influential on their teams. (See how Barca played earlier in the season without him) I really don't think they can be compared with each other except that they are both amazing players.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:34 pm

andy_g wrote:people have a very distorted image of ronaldinho, one that sees them convinced that he's game is mainly tricks and flicks and that he can't and/or won't defend. the truth is that during his early games at barcelona he would regularly be seen winning the ball back at his own corner flag or wherever else he wanted it at any place on the pitch. he carried the team in very much the same way that gerrard has done for us. it was the bringing in of deco and the advice of the staff not to burn himslef out playing like that that has seen him spend most of his time on the pitch as an attacking player.

but even as an attacking player its not just the tricks and flicks that make him a good player, they are actually embelishments to an already fine talent. ronaldinho can run as powerfully with the ball as anyone in the game and close down players when he hasn't, he can spot a short pass as well as floating the ball to a player on the other side of the pitch while selling the opposing player a dummy with his eyes.

the media love the image of this pure attacking player with all the flair in the world but it actually does the guy a disservice by ignoring the other aspects of his game. if i had to choose one midfielder in the world (if we're going to include him as a midfielder) i would pick ronaldinho every time. however if i had to lose gerrard to have ronaldinho in the team it would be a very very difficult decision to have to make. gerrard might just edge it for me for a number of reasons to do with local pride, heart and the romance of it all.

Good points, mate...

What has impressed me about Ronaldinho the few times I've had a chance to watch him is his strength. Two examples:

1) 2nd CL leg against Chelsea where he basically plowed through Terry to create the opening to score his goal

2) 1st CL leg against Milan where he rode Gattuso's challenge and then got his head up to pick out the perfect pass for Guily

Ronaldinho is much more then step-overs, deft flicks and a bad perm!

Having said that, I would not sacrifice Gerrard for anyone...he's done far too much for Liverpool and will continue to drive them forward!

by **AussieKopite** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:45 pm

He's a true scouser which puts him up a few pegs.

by **72-1146193975** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:07 pm

AussieKopite wrote:He's a true scouser which puts him up a few pegs.

of course all scousers will vote for gerrrard,its all about loyalty and as someone said the romance that comes with it.

But what if this vote was taken to neutrals,say italian fans,would gerrard get 30%

by **stew_the_red** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:59 pm

Get a clue lad

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