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by **DrLiverpool** » Tue May 11, 2004 9:14 pm

Such an easy question... whoever is prepared to invest more money and whoever is giving more for transfers

who is worth more morgan or the good prime minister ? I suppose it doesnt matter if their worth 500000000000000000000000000000 if they only invest 5000000.

if they are both willing to invest the same amount the morgan. but i really
dont have anything against a thailandese owner.

at the moment it looks like the thai chap will get it...where is morgan? bidding?

by **XSD** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:23 pm

Hard to say, Thai PM is gonna have a fat lot of money, but Morgan is a Liverpool supporter. I would say Morgan, but we need a manager who is capable of getting more from less money.

by **stapo1000** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:21 pm

IT IS HARD TO SAY. I WANT A LIVERPOOL FAN(IE. MORGAN) TO INVEST IN THE CLUB. HE CLEARLY HAS THE FANS' BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOME THAI LAD THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE CLUB COMING OVER AND INVESTING. BUT I LOVE ANFIELD AND DON'T WANT TO SHARE A STADIUM WITH THE SCUM DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE, IT MUST BE MORGAN.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Tue May 11, 2004 11:47 pm

The thing which isn't really being said at the moment is that there's a huge possibility that neither of these tabled offers will result in any extra money going into the club.

Basically - the way I've understood so far - is that they're talking about diluting Moores' stake in the club, which means that they're giving HIM the money to buy his shares, not injecting new revenue into the club above and beyond what Moores has already invested.

Or have I missed something?

by **stapo1000** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:00 am

IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I'D PERFER NO INVESTORS AT ALL.
STILL CONFUSED THO

by **Dalglish** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:58 am

VERY good Point "Ivor The Injun" , the facts are that these potential investors are buying SHRES from Moores and NOT NEW shares floated although I heard Morgan was talking about a shares issue releasing more funds directly to teh club.

For me LFC have always conducted themselves into the highest professional and business standrards, you never hear of bungs and illicit deals with LFC. To prostitute this great club just for the money and not make ajudgement on the ethics of any potential investor would or could spell trouble for this great club.

LFC's refusal to allow Steve morgan in seems to me to be a personal issue between Moores and Morgan although to be fair Moores came out and said he would like to meet with Morgan which they did and then flatly refused his money !!!

I suppose it comes down to trust and judgement trust by the fans that liverpool wil do the right thing and judgement on the board to do the right thing .....

by **glenbuck patriot** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:12 am

Dalglish,

The way I see it is that Morgan want's Houllier's Head (right or wrong) the condition is that he'll plough money into the club if GH is no longer there.

The board want to be seen as doing the right thing, ( They don't want to admit they have made a mistake re GH's forray's into the transfer market of late)!

The Thai president it seems will plough money in with NO Managerial string's attached, Morgan will NOT.

Where does that leave US (The Fans)?, the same place we've been for the last Eighteen Month's!

The Board with or without Morgan, need to decide WHAT thier priorities ARE, only THEN wil WE the FANS know WHAT is planned for OUR CLUB.

I for ONE, ONLY HOPE & PREY THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION!

by **JohnBull** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:24 am

Foo Man Bloody Choo is not investing HIS money - read the financial pages - it is described as "Thai Public Funds" whatever that is. It is being sold to the Thai public as an investment in their footballing future.
Just another gangster like Chelski's

by **anfieldadorer** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:36 am

To me, it's as this simple:

1. The bigger money the better, whoever the shareholder is,.. 2. ...as far as it's less than Moore's share
3. It will only be the end of the day if he demands compensation for his money in some levels of technical authority (e.g buying players, defining lineups, etc.).

So, just give me your money, and let us do the job.
Shut your mouth, and we'll bring your money back in doubles.

And i firmly believe, LFC won't ever let you down.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:20 am

I am confused where everyone get the idea that the thai PM is a gangster. as ive said before i live in malaysia, my fiance is thai and we own property there so I am aware of the Thai PM.

The Thai economy was really sufereing until this guy got in, the thai's have now paid the last installment back to the IMF who bailed them out when the economy crashed and the economy is now very strong.

in relation to the human rights issues, he held a clampdown on drug dealers and there is a belief that he held a 'shoot to kill policy'. this is not the case.
he started to round up dealers and they tried to fight their way out of capture so they were killed. then the dealers turned on each other and their clients in fear that they will be grassed up to the government. it was this that caused most of the deaths.

Recently in Souhern thailand, which is predominatly muslim, 107 muslims where killed after attacking the army and police, this is an area of instabillity led by the muslims. why we need to remember guys is thailand is not england. the thai people are mostly buddhist and are very peaceful, respectful people, however they govern diferently from us in england. the police are armed and dont tolerate being attacked and they do return fire.

maybe we can get of the 'guy is a gangster' tirade and see him for what he is. he is an educated business man who built up his own empire and holds his own money.

ok there is confusion over whether the money used will be his, so what? Liverpool FC are massive in Thailand and economically this will be a good move. yes there football is not strong in european terms but it is in asia, an academy out here is not a bad idea and it wont affect the first team or the club in any adverse way.

I dont know what the problem is with Morgan but obvioulsy him and Moores have some history and unless they can settle that we will have an unstable boardroom. dont worry too mush about whether the Thai pm supports us or not, roman wasnt a chelski fan when he went there but has not stopped him ploughing money in and he seems to be a supporter now when we see him at the games.

Anyway the point i am trying to make is dont just write the thai deal off, and dig a bit deeper before we start getting xenophopic and calling people gangsters because they have been a success. success can be gained through hard work.

by **anfieldadorer** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:48 am

Morgan will outbid Thai PM for Liverpool stake
tribalfootball.com - May 12, 2004
Property tycoon and Liverpool stakeholder Steve Morgan is ready to battle Thai PM Thaksin Shinawatra for a bigger share of the club.
Shinawatra wants to buy 30 per cent of Liverpool for £65 million, but Morgan is ready to plough £73 million into the club to stop the Thai. "This proposal will keep ownership of the club with its supporters, where it rightfully belongs," said Morgan.

Morgan plans a rights issue with the aim of raising £61m and a share issue which would generate £12m more. "This proposal will also inject £73m of new capital to strengthen the playing squad and help finance the proposed new stadium," Morgan added.

Reds chairman David Moores and Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry have been in Bangkok working on the deal. Morgan, a lifelong supporter, made his money in the building industry via his own company Redrow, would underwrite any share issue through his current company Bridgemere Investments Limited.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:52 am

Anfield adorer, it doesnt matter who has the highest bid. the club has the power to accept either bid and i fear that Morgans bid will not be accepted at any price as Moores does not want him on the board, a very sad state of affairs.

by **anfieldadorer** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:03 am

That's sadly true and truly sad, peewee..

Only info: the latest vote by liverpool.com

WHO would you prefer to invest in the club?

Thai PM Thaksin Shinawatra 38.95%
Building tycoon Steve Morgan 61.05%

by **adayinthelife** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:45 am

It is a very sad state of affairs when Moores does not want investment from a real fan who has our best interests at heart.
As far as this thai lad goes people seem to forget he will be getting all our merchandising sales from his country.
Moores by not accepting Morgans offer is again showing how little he cares about the fans feelings.
We have seen this over the fans feelings on houllier as the majority have wanted him out for awhile now but Moores seems set to stubbornly perservere with him whether we get the miserable 4th place or not.
The longer houllier is charge the further we will fall behind arsenal and chelsea and Morgan knows this and wants him out and that otherwise houllier will spend all the thai's cash and he only has 1 year left on his contract and will have to do something special next season to get a new 1.
We will then be left with a new manager with no cash and a squad full of houllier's players.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:53 am

what a difficult situation we find ourselves in here.
you are right that the Thai market is huge for merchandise, howver the markets out here is full of fake gear, good quality as well.

of course we would love to see Morgan on the board, as a true supporter of the club, he can only do good, as long as he and Moores sort out their problems first. the club comes first an boardroom unrest will not be good. they should go out for a pint and sort ****** out like the rest of us would do.

A fresh start all round is called for, new investment and new manager

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