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by **madred** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:28 pm

Mudface do you believe that Houllier would have won the champions league had he still been in a job? Rafa come in and got the best out of the players who we all knew were going to be sold on (Baros,Biscan etc). U mentioned about Biscan being a cult hero but that was simply because everyone knew how :censored:

he was. Ask Titi Camara,David Thompson, David Ginola, but to name a few, if Houllier is a nice guy. While i have respect still for Houllier this really is no contest as Rafa's Valencia quite simply showed Hou's Liverpool a few footballing lessons.

by **DAV** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:31 pm

Ban this tw@
Mudface Fck Off
Your posts are :censored:

you are a nob

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:34 pm

DAV wrote:Ban this tw@
Mudface Fck Off
Your posts are
you are a nob

MMmm to the point....I agree

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:46 pm

madred wrote:Mudface do you believe that Houllier would have won the champions league had he still been in a job? Rafa come in and got the best out of the players who we all knew were going to be sold on (Baros,Biscan etc). U mentioned about Biscan being a cult hero but that was simply because everyone knew how he was. Ask Titi Camara,David Thompson, David Ginola, but to name a few, if Houllier is a nice guy. While i have respect still for Houllier this really is no contest as Rafa's Valencia quite simply showed Hou's Liverpool a few footballing lessons.

you must be joking.
valencia are(or were under rafa) the most boring team in europe.

And GH's current team Lyon are doing great.
I was glad we got Benfica instead of them

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:53 pm

Do you not remember when Valencia cam eto Anfield and taught Liverpool how to "pass and move".. They played us off the pitch

by **banana** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:58 pm

MudFace wrote:
madred wrote:Mudface do you believe that Houllier would have won the champions league had he still been in a job? Rafa come in and got the best out of the players who we all knew were going to be sold on (Baros,Biscan etc). U mentioned about Biscan being a cult hero but that was simply because everyone knew how he was. Ask Titi Camara,David Thompson, David Ginola, but to name a few, if Houllier is a nice guy. While i have respect still for Houllier this really is no contest as Rafa's Valencia quite simply showed Hou's Liverpool a few footballing lessons.

you must be joking.
valencia are(or were under rafa) the most boring team in europe.

And GH's current team Lyon are doing great.
I was glad we got Benfica instead of them

Why don't you give up hustler? Changing name and email just to get in and have a few laughs. I find your post boring cause there is no weight there, no intelligence. It is easy to see that you don't mean a thing you say and only try to provoce. A sad little neglected kid you are. Maybe you like liverpool fc maybe not, but the one thing you like most is :censored:

other people off. In this you fail, everytime.

by **Judge** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:00 pm

DAV wrote:Ban this tw@
Mudface Fck Off
Your posts are
you are a nob

how can someone be a twat and a nob in the same sentence.........make your mind up DAV

by **jonnymac1979** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:08 pm

Come on everyone, I'm not blind, I don't agree with most of his posts, especially in this thread but I can't ban him cause I don't agree with him. He's one of the nerds from the Official sites forums so you know he's not going to be full of wisdom!!

He was banned twice before and wholly justified but he's proved to me he is trying a bit harder. I emphasise the word 'bit'. He is pushing his luck in other areas though. I'm still not 100% on him and he knows three more strikes and he's out.

And for what it's worth you idiot Mudface, Benitez' Valencia side were a well drilled team without a single weakness in any area of the pitch. They varied their defensive play to the point where they could switch to anything between three to five different tactical systems at any point during the game depending on the situation. Their attacking play was all one touch intricate passing, with steel and flair, players like Baraja and Aimar at their best, winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

Benitez will have us playing like this sooner rather than later, if not showing flashes of it already over the last three months. Will you go and support Manchester United then will you, because Liverpool will be too boring?

Don't complain about people disagreeing with you when you chat shit.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:15 pm

people who cannot argue there opinions tend to make unprovoked personal attacks.
I will ask the mods to tell these losers to either argue there points or shut up.
I thought being argumentative and rude to other members is prohibited in this site...and i wont stoop to there level

by **Judge** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:21 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:Come on everyone, I'm not blind, I don't agree with most of his posts, especially in this thread but I can't ban him cause I don't agree with him. He's one of the nerds from the Official sites forums so you know he's not going to be full of wisdom!!

He was banned twice before and wholly justified but he's proved to me he is trying a bit harder. I emphasise the word 'bit'. He is pushing his luck in other areas though. I'm still not 100% on him and he knows three more strikes and he's out.

And for what it's worth you idiot Mudface, Benitez' Valencia side were a well drilled team without a single weakness in any area of the pitch. They varied their defensive play to the point where they could switch to anything between three to five different tactical systems at any point during the game depending on the situation. Their attacking play was all one touch intricate passing, with steel and flair, players like Baraja and Aimar at their best, winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

Benitez will have us playing like this sooner rather than later, if not showing flashes of it already over the last three months. Will you go and support Manchester United then will you, because Liverpool will be too boring?

Don't complain about people disagreeing with you when you chat shit.

lets hope he's not a complete arse

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:27 pm

jonnymac1979 wrote:winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

which trophies?
GH won more trophies with us than Rafa won with valencia.

And am not slating Rafa.Just having an objective look at him and you will see he's not perfect.But he's a good coach and he's done well here.

As for the sheep mentality....

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:32 pm

I apologize if I have been disrespectful to you,,,

However, to even think that Houllier can be compared to the current management at Liverpool is laughable.

Houllier's whole game plan was stick 10 men behind the ball and hoof it up to Owen when we got the ball. It was lucky we had Owen as without him we would have ended up as a mid table team.

Benitez has the whole team working as a unit, we don;t go out to defend a one goal lead, we always look for the next goal.

How many times did Liverpool over turn a goal to go on and win a game?? Before Benitez's team acheived this it had been 2 seasons since we had managed it.

This is due to the fact Houllier only had one plan... and it was unattractive, boring and foiled if Owen wasn't on the pitch. He was often stuck as what substitution to make and often only changed things with less than 5 minutes to go.

If Raffas teams ever look like being in trouble, he changes things to a more attacking option, without compromsing our defence, usually giving the oncoming player enough time to settle into the game and therefore giving him a chance to change the outcome.

Under Houllier the reserve team where always struggling at the bottom of the league, Raffa Benitez has bought quality youngsters who are now learning to play the game in exactly the same way as the first team allowing players from the reserves to slot in to the first team if and when needed. The future looks much brighter now!

Transfers... Do I need to speak about Houlliers desperation to sign winning players which caused our board to spend so much money on average players to ensure we "got our man".. Benitez only spends what a player is worth, If a player fails, he is sold again, ensuring the "loss" on that player is at a minimum.

The only decison I cannot defend is in my opinion we should have bough Owen back, even if it cost us more than we wanted to pay. And Morientes, if I was the boss would probably have left by now. However both of these decisions do not seem to have upset the Raffalution too much, with 2nd place firmly in our sights, through to the knock out stages on the Champions League and into the last 16 of the FA Cup.

Life under Raffa at Liverpool seems to be a very sunny place now... He really had brought a little bit of Spain to Merseyside.

by **JBG** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:43 pm

MudFace wrote:
jonnymac1979 wrote:winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

which trophies?
GH won more trophies with us than Rafa won with valencia.

And am not slating Rafa.Just having an objective look at him and you will see he's not perfect.But he's a good coach and he's done well here.

As for the sheep mentality....

Both of them both won the UEFA Cup but Rafa's achievement of winning two La Liga's in three years with a provincial club vastly exceeds any of Houllier's achievements.

I think Houllier has only ever won one Championship and that was with PSG in the late 1980s. One French championship does not hope to compare with 2 La Liga titles.

Houllier is doing well at the moment but he inherited a team that was already utterly dominant in France and had money to spend, both before and after Michael Essien was sold.

He will win the French league again this year, but you cannot compare that to Rafa's success in Spain.

To top all of that, Rafa has won the Champions League with a poor team, an achievement that utterly dwarfes anything Houllier has ever achieved.

Valencia boring? When they won the League in 2004 the Spanish press were wetting themselves with Valencia's mixture of a hard work ethic, tactical excellence and flair. They were no Barcelona, granted, but Barcelona are no Benitez' Valencia either.

by **Garymac** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:45 pm

MudFace wrote:
jonnymac1979 wrote:winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

which trophies?
GH won more trophies with us than Rafa won with valencia.

And am not slating Rafa.Just having an objective look at him and you will see he's not perfect.But he's a good coach and he's done well here.

As for the sheep mentality....

What dd you expect him to do with Houlliers team exactly in 18 months, he has won a trophy which is the biggest of them all, we are lieing 3rd in the league, in the last 16 of the champions league for the 2nd season running (Houllier got to the quarters once) We are in the 5th round of the Fa Cup, he has been to a League Cup Final, A feat Houllier only managed once, Houllier won the Uefa Cup, rafa won the Champions League, If Rafa had the chance to win the Uefa he would but luckily for us we wont compete in that again.

So if you compare Rafas 18 Months to Houlliers 6 Years, hes not doing to bad, and with Houllier we had the one year of success, which was great, but its amazing that no one points out he won fuc* all in 5 out of 6 seasons.

Come back in 4 and a half years Mudface when your argument will be valid, oh and Rafa has wasted 2 million pound on duds (Nunez, josemi, Pellagrino) and when you consider we got a Million for Nunez and swapped Josemi for Hollands number 1 right back he hasnt done to bad in return, unlke Houllier, how many of his own buys do you remember him getting rid of and doing well?? And Morientes can hardly be considered a bad buy, eeryone was delighted when we got him, Rafa has been let down more than anything.

by **jonnymac1979** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:49 pm

MudFace wrote:
jonnymac1979 wrote:winning trophies for fun and you call that boring?

which trophies?
GH won more trophies with us than Rafa won with valencia.

And am not slating Rafa.Just having an objective look at him and you will see he's not perfect.But he's a good coach and he's done well here.

As for the sheep mentality....

Two Spanish leagues and a UEFA Cup in three years. Do your own research.

You're taking the piss with the rest of your post.

He's a good coach and he's done well here.

If you were really looking objectively you would see Benitez is in the top three coaches in the World, at best, he IS THE BEST. I'm not sure you're not here on a wind-up when you come out with stuff like this. If you are you'll bite eventually and you'll turn out to be a Man Utd fan.

Sitting in your bedsit alone, you'll think you are clever for stringing everyone along and we'll all bow down to an internet nerds superior intellect and the rest of the members will all stand back in amazement and not be able to sleep at night, because we will all be wondering how we were all duped so easily.

You're simply wrong if you think we were a better side under Gerard Houllier or that Houllier's Liverpool were a better side than Benitez' Valencia.

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