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Lando_Griffin wrote:

tel wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

tel wrote:

A.B. wrote:

tel wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:Precisely Dawson.

It's not about hype and price, it's about the right qualities in the right areas.

Its not about price? Why do you think players like Ronaldinho or Henry cost big money??? Because they guarentee you goals and points and trophies.

Ronaldinho is THE biggest difference between a Barca team that hadnt won a trophy for many years, and the won that did last year. If you didnt see the Barca game against Madrid this season when they played in Madrid, I suggest you get a copy. Then come back to me and talk about players and what they cost. Those 2 teams hate each other as much (nearly anyway) as we hate the mancs. And they friggn clapped him.

What is Arsenal without Henry? Would they have been an unbeaten team 2 seasons ago? You look at the past 5 seasons we've played them. Who is the difference between the 2 teams? Lehman?

Barcelona did pay a hefty amount of money for Ronaldinho, but that was because he was doing well for PSG and had a great World Cup run. However, Arsenal payed peanuts compared to what he's worth now. Remember, Henry was a winger it wasn't until he signed for Arsenal that Wenger converted him into a striker.

He was unknown and didn't cost much but look at the impact he made. So technically it's not all about the price, it wasn't at the time. Of course after all the years at Arsenal he's improved and his price has rised. But just because a player costs a great amount of money, it doesn't necesseraly guarantee anything.

I'm not talking about what he cost then. Its a different discussion why we have not been able to unearth young foreign talent in the past like Henry.

I am talking about what he costs NOW. He costs a bundle because he is a proven talent that would guarentee goals and trophies whatever league he is playing in. And he is worth every pound.

Right and you don't think its acceptable for Liverpool to uncover that sort of talent? They have to go out and buy it at its top price? I'm sorry but very few teams can afford to do that and we're not one of them.

What if we go and sign Adriano from Inter for 25million (being generous) then he breaks his leg in his first month or gets his career ended? Where are we then? I'll tell you... shits creek is where because if we done that we certainly couldn't afford to replace him.

Do you think players like Rush came here with "proven talent"?

Its all rubbish what you're saying and your arguement holds very little weight if any at all.

Thanks for bringing up Ian Rush so we can end this.

When Ian Rush went to Juventus, we didnt just buy one player to replace him, we bought 3. And they were the 3 best players in the league to be exact.

Beardsley, Barnes and Aldridge.

2 of them, were the 2 best attacking players in the league. And they cost top dollar. And they year they joined, we won the double for the first time. Only the 2nd team to ever achieve it.

And we still had Kenny with his boots on on the bench in case one of them broke their legs.

Ian Rush wasnt a proven talent, but John Barnes and Peter Beardsley were, and they cost 2m+ in those days each which is 20+ in todays terms. And look at what an immediate impact they had and what that a team that was!

Do you not realise that we could afford to pay those prices then, but we can't compete with the top level bidders now.


Are you understanding yet?

stu_the_red wrote:Do you want me to show you're knowledge up completely embaress you or are you going to shut up and admit you are wrong and clueless about football?

Bamaga man wrote:

tel wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:I agree with you in some respects about spending large amounts of wonger to get a top class player Tel.
But there are two major factors that dont allow us to do this, one, we cannot afford it. Two, we all know now what Rafa's policy is in the transfer market. He will not go and do " a Houllier" , he doesnt work that way, slow and steady wins the race my friend.

If you look back at this time last year we had recently lost to Southampton 2-0 and we're appalling ,twelve months later we've won the CL and are now fighting it out with ManU for second place,- oh as well as competing in the CL. So you see we have come on leaps and bounds since then, this time next year we may find ourselves even better placed.

Rafa cannot go and splash cash willy nilly and the fans have to be patient he has to be sure when buying a player. I agree with you that we lack a goal poacher someone like Fowler , but for now the huge big bulk of the team is set in place and its the last couple of pieces to the jigsaw we are waiting on, but in the meatime I think we'll be ok.

We are not just doing alright in the meantime, we are doing wonders.

All I'm saying is yes, there's only a couple of pieces in the jigsaw left. And one of those is a top class striker.

Since Rafa came on board, we've had hits and misses in the transfer market. Josemi, Pellegrino. Even guys like Garcia are hit and miss. Zenden may be good on a free, but anyone want to embarrass themselves by saying he's a better player than Cristiano Ronaldo or Arjen Robben?

His great transfer success is Xavi Alonso. Who, incidentally, is also the most expensive transfer he has done. And who says it aint about the money?

Ok sorry, we are doing wonders.

Tell me what manager doesnt have hits and misses ?

I think you'll find almost as quick as Pelle and Josemi came in they went out. I wouldnt say Garcia is a hit and miss signing not at all, his game can be a bit hit and miss at times but when he's hit or hot he is vital to the team. ( But I do say he can be very frustrating to watch).

Tel I think your right in some respects about the last picecs of the jigsaw, maybe one should be big or world class money buy.
Maybe Rafa will do this in the summer, but whatever he does do will be for the good of the team. Whether he spends big or small, unearthing young cheapish kind of talent is a longer process and for instant success the better odds would be to fork out a bit more and buy what you know so to speak. But I doubt Rafa will do this and go about things more shrewdishly.

If there is an expectation on this board that Rafa should focus on developing a young unproven and (low cost) pool of talent into a dominating side across Europe, then they're mistaken. That wont be enough.

The side he had at Valencia was packed with superstars. Not just the best players in the Spanish league, but I would argue some of them were and still may be the best in the world in their respective positions.

His central midfield 2 Abelda and Baraja are the 2 best in Spain. They kept Alonso out of the starting line up at Euro 04. I would have them together with Gerrard and Ballack in the top 10 midfielders in the world.

Aimar is the best talent to come out of Argentina since Maradona. Not my words, Maradona's.

Anyone want to argue whether Ayala is not the best defender in Spain? He is regarded as the best from South America.

How about Vicente? One of the best left sided players in the world.

Each one of these players is 15m+ in pricing.

How many players in the current Liverpool team are worth 15m+

Gerrard, Alonso.... who else?

tel wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

tel wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

tel wrote:

A.B. wrote:

tel wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:Precisely Dawson.

It's not about hype and price, it's about the right qualities in the right areas.

Its not about price? Why do you think players like Ronaldinho or Henry cost big money??? Because they guarentee you goals and points and trophies.

Ronaldinho is THE biggest difference between a Barca team that hadnt won a trophy for many years, and the won that did last year. If you didnt see the Barca game against Madrid this season when they played in Madrid, I suggest you get a copy. Then come back to me and talk about players and what they cost. Those 2 teams hate each other as much (nearly anyway) as we hate the mancs. And they friggn clapped him.

What is Arsenal without Henry? Would they have been an unbeaten team 2 seasons ago? You look at the past 5 seasons we've played them. Who is the difference between the 2 teams? Lehman?

Barcelona did pay a hefty amount of money for Ronaldinho, but that was because he was doing well for PSG and had a great World Cup run. However, Arsenal payed peanuts compared to what he's worth now. Remember, Henry was a winger it wasn't until he signed for Arsenal that Wenger converted him into a striker.

He was unknown and didn't cost much but look at the impact he made. So technically it's not all about the price, it wasn't at the time. Of course after all the years at Arsenal he's improved and his price has rised. But just because a player costs a great amount of money, it doesn't necesseraly guarantee anything.

I'm not talking about what he cost then. Its a different discussion why we have not been able to unearth young foreign talent in the past like Henry.

I am talking about what he costs NOW. He costs a bundle because he is a proven talent that would guarentee goals and trophies whatever league he is playing in. And he is worth every pound.

Right and you don't think its acceptable for Liverpool to uncover that sort of talent? They have to go out and buy it at its top price? I'm sorry but very few teams can afford to do that and we're not one of them.

What if we go and sign Adriano from Inter for 25million (being generous) then he breaks his leg in his first month or gets his career ended? Where are we then? I'll tell you... shits creek is where because if we done that we certainly couldn't afford to replace him.

Do you think players like Rush came here with "proven talent"?

Its all rubbish what you're saying and your arguement holds very little weight if any at all.

Thanks for bringing up Ian Rush so we can end this.

When Ian Rush went to Juventus, we didnt just buy one player to replace him, we bought 3. And they were the 3 best players in the league to be exact.

Beardsley, Barnes and Aldridge.

2 of them, were the 2 best attacking players in the league. And they cost top dollar. And they year they joined, we won the double for the first time. Only the 2nd team to ever achieve it.

And we still had Kenny with his boots on on the bench in case one of them broke their legs.

Ian Rush wasnt a proven talent, but John Barnes and Peter Beardsley were, and they cost 2m+ in those days each which is 20+ in todays terms. And look at what an immediate impact they had and what that a team that was!

Do you not realise that we could afford to pay those prices then, but we can't compete with the top level bidders now.


Are you understanding yet?

Are you saying we couldnt afford 16m for Michael Owen and Newcastle could, or is it that we just didnt want to pay it?

So you think it's a good idea to sell a player for £8m, then buy him back 12 months later for more than double that, do you?

That word "imbecile" seems to be cropping up a lot around you, tel.   

tel wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

tel wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:I agree with you in some respects about spending large amounts of wonger to get a top class player Tel.
But there are two major factors that dont allow us to do this, one, we cannot afford it. Two, we all know now what Rafa's policy is in the transfer market. He will not go and do " a Houllier" , he doesnt work that way, slow and steady wins the race my friend.

If you look back at this time last year we had recently lost to Southampton 2-0 and we're appalling ,twelve months later we've won the CL and are now fighting it out with ManU for second place,- oh as well as competing in the CL. So you see we have come on leaps and bounds since then, this time next year we may find ourselves even better placed.

Rafa cannot go and splash cash willy nilly and the fans have to be patient he has to be sure when buying a player. I agree with you that we lack a goal poacher someone like Fowler , but for now the huge big bulk of the team is set in place and its the last couple of pieces to the jigsaw we are waiting on, but in the meatime I think we'll be ok.

We are not just doing alright in the meantime, we are doing wonders.

All I'm saying is yes, there's only a couple of pieces in the jigsaw left. And one of those is a top class striker.

Since Rafa came on board, we've had hits and misses in the transfer market. Josemi, Pellegrino. Even guys like Garcia are hit and miss. Zenden may be good on a free, but anyone want to embarrass themselves by saying he's a better player than Cristiano Ronaldo or Arjen Robben?

His great transfer success is Xavi Alonso. Who, incidentally, is also the most expensive transfer he has done. And who says it aint about the money?

Ok sorry, we are doing wonders.

Tell me what manager doesnt have hits and misses ?

I think you'll find almost as quick as Pelle and Josemi came in they went out. I wouldnt say Garcia is a hit and miss signing not at all, his game can be a bit hit and miss at times but when he's hit or hot he is vital to the team. ( But I do say he can be very frustrating to watch).

Tel I think your right in some respects about the last picecs of the jigsaw, maybe one should be big or world class money buy.
Maybe Rafa will do this in the summer, but whatever he does do will be for the good of the team. Whether he spends big or small, unearthing young cheapish kind of talent is a longer process and for instant success the better odds would be to fork out a bit more and buy what you know so to speak. But I doubt Rafa will do this and go about things more shrewdishly.

If there is an expectation on this board that Rafa should focus on developing a young unproven and (low cost) pool of talent into a dominating side across Europe, then they're mistaken. That wont be enough.

The side he had at Valencia was packed with superstars. Not just the best players in the Spanish league, but I would argue some of them were and still may be the best in the world in their respective positions.

His central midfield 2 Abelda and Baraja are the 2 best in Spain. They kept Alonso out of the starting line up at Euro 04. I would have them together with Gerrard and Ballack in the top 10 midfielders in the world.

Aimar is the best talent to come out of Argentina since Maradona. Not my words, Maradona's.

Anyone want to argue whether Ayala is not the best defender in Spain? He is regarded as the best from South America.

How about Vicente? One of the best left sided players in the world.

Each one of these players is 15m+ in pricing.

How many players in the current Liverpool team are worth 15m+

Gerrard, Alonso.... who else?

stu_the_red wrote:Would Robbie Fowler and Jermaine Pennant improve this side and give us something different.

If we improved the side would we win more games?

If we won more games would we be closer to Chelsea and ahead of Man Utd?

If we had better players in our weaker in our weakest positions would it make us a better side?

The answer to ALL of those questions is YES.

tel wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:Would Robbie Fowler and Jermaine Pennant improve this side and give us something different.

If we improved the side would we win more games?

If we won more games would we be closer to Chelsea and ahead of Man Utd?

If we had better players in our weaker in our weakest positions would it make us a better side?

The answer to ALL of those questions is YES.

Yes we would and we should by all means do that. Should we pay 2m for Robbie and 2m for Pennant? Sure?

All I'm saying is, lets target a striker like Ibrahimovic and and go get him. He wont come this season, it will take time. But then again, we're not talking about being a European force this year anyway.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

tel wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:tel - shut up.


You are yakking out of your a*sehole lad.

Ronaldinho was offered to Man U for £12m - hardly a record fee.

Henry was signed for peanuts, as was Viera.

You say "so what - it's the now that counts" - stop humiliating yourself.

Unless you are a state-funded, or sugar-daddied club, you can't go around spending stupid money on players who are "proven" in other leagues. "Proven", I might add, like Morientes, Luque, Veron, Drogba, Crespo and Kezman. Not forgetting Cisse (In France).



Thicker than a triple thick sandwich of thick ham, thick mustard, a thick wedge of cheese and all encased in extra thick crusty bread. 

Stop felching yourself matie. You'd make more sense if your head was were its supposed to be. So take it out so we can discuss properly.

If you are state funded or sugar daddy, you buy the most expensive player in every position.

We're only arguing about one position. The striker's. And we can develop all the young talent we want over the next 50 years, but if you ask me whether I think we're going to take it to the likes of Chelsea or Madrid to domiate Europe over the next 5 years with the likes of Crouch, I say you're more likely to do it with the likes of Crespo or Etto.

Never has the word "imbecile" been so apt as to describe you, tel.

Are you implying to me that Sh*tski have the best players in the World in EVERY position?

Because I would suggest a hard slap around your face if you are, sunshine.

Let's see if you can battle through your apparant mental limitations, and somehow understand the following sentence (in layman's terms, ofcourse - just for you  ):

We have no got money for big player.


To everyone else:

Liverpool FC do not have sufficient funds to purchase a striker for vast amounts of money.



Any better, tel?