Cisse, the handshake,being french,the smack.

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Postby gabbyh » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:32 pm

I know players get paid too much, but I have a theory, a bit like Monty Pythons famous Dinosaur theory, for why Cisse behaved the way he did.
In France the handshake can be a very subtle form of insult. Believe me it's true, hubby got it from a French work colleague and from friends of ours who have a place in France. At social occasions, the French will shake hands with everyone they meet in the room, whether they know them or not, young or old, I have been on the receiving end of this, a charming old fashioned custom of shaking hands and saying Bonjour. The insult comes in when
1)as a French person, you do not shake hands at all (downright obvious insult) or
2) you shake their hands twice on the same social event.

Event no.1) you are being very rude deliberately and don't care if everyone sees it.
Event no. 2) you are being subtly rude because shaking someones hand twice is equivalent to saying that their presence was not important enough for you to remember shaking their hand the first time, ie you hold them in contempt.

Therefore if Cisse signed an autograph, and someone went to shake his hand, then pulled back their hand to make the usual childish gesture much beloved of my friends 9 yr old son, then Cisse may find it extremely insulting and react badly. I am not condoning his actions, but he is only a young man, and I gather the recipient of the smack was not a 9 yr old boy, so my argument in Cisses defense is a lack of cultural understanding on both sides? Amazingly Cisse is only 23, 24? tho he looks older.

Just a thought.
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Postby <-alonso-> » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:42 pm

well if you look at it that way



(i couldn't think of anythin to say, and if you say that, it makes you look interested and into the topic)

he shouldn't hit anyone though :cool:
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Postby gabbyh » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:48 pm

I said I didn't condone it, but an adult male behaving in a childish way after obtaining a courteously given autograph, shouldn't complain and give our football player a police record. Gerrard or Carragher may have understood the so called humour behind it, but Cisse, and any other of our foreign players may not.

On the other hand I could be talking out of my bottom. :p
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Postby dum1 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:57 pm

This may explain why the French take their medicine up the ar$e as they get that part of their anatomy mixed up with their mouths. :D
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Postby gabbyh » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:07 pm

<-alonso-> wrote:(i couldn't think of anythin to say, and if you say that, it makes you look interested and into the topic)

I'm sorry, what do you mean? I only posted this cos I thought that Cisse could be given the benefit of the doubt, instead of being classed as just another overpaid yobbish football player.

The info is right as far as I know cos hubby was working in France, just outside Paris, for a while, and was told this, and as I say, I experienced it when visiting English friends not far from Le Mans. Or have I got it wrong and does the quote refer to yourself?

Apologies if so. Am getting my rather large Bridget Jones knickers in a twist!!
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Postby The_Rock » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:32 pm

gabbyh wrote:I said I didn't condone it, but an adult male behaving in a childish way after obtaining a courteously given autograph, shouldn't complain and give our football player a police record. Gerrard or Carragher may have understood the so called humour behind it, but Cisse, and any other of our foreign players may not.

On the other hand I could be talking out of my bottom. :p

i would have beaten up that punk too....... and i ain't from france  :D
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:15 pm

Obviously we shouldn't condone Cisse's actions but it appears that it is either a cultural misunderstanding or it could be that Djib doesn't watch Soccer AM, the incident sounds very similar to that idiotic and childish prank that Tim 'I speak out of my ars3 love(myself)joy pulls with a lot of the guests on there.

One question regarding this incident, has anyone heard what sort of proof i.e. there was against Djib or was it jusut a case of the kids word against the "yobbish" footballer that they are all being labelled with in this country now?
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Postby dum1 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:32 pm

Rushie

No evidence from third party but just a little matter of Cisse admitting it!
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:01 pm

dum1 wrote:Rushie

No evidence from third party but just a little matter of Cisse admitting it!

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Postby kazza » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:26 pm

It seems that Cisse may take himself a little too seriously. You do not have to be English to know some kid is being a kid.
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Postby Dundalk » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:15 am

dum1 wrote:This may explain why the French take their medicine up the ar$e as they get that part of their anatomy mixed up with their mouths. :D

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Postby Lando_Griffin » Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:44 am

The little b*stard probably deserved it. :D
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Postby gato_busta » Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:57 am

so if shaking hands twice is an insult, does that mean that if he shook benitez's hand before the game against blackburn rovers, when he scored and went to shake benitez's hand he was actualy insulting him? just a thought :laugh:
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Postby gabbyh » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:02 pm

Nice one gato, you got me there!!

Doubt it tho!!
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Postby NCRedFan7 » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:11 pm

Something my Dad used to always say....

"The French, they are a silly race / they fight with their feet and f$&k with their face."

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