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by **bigmick** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:19 pm

Sabre, what do you think of Joaquin? I know nothing about the bloke really but some of the lads on here who really know their stuff rave about him. I think we can take it as read that he is good, but how good? Twenty million good? Also in your opinion how does this Simao bloke compare at about half the price? Cheers.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:27 pm

Mick. I assure you Joaquin is electric.

Simao, not so. Simao is very quick and can beat a man but he reminds me of Smicer with pace. He's very small and light weight and failed at Barcelona. He's not the sort of player i'd go for at all.

Joaquin on the othre hand about 5'11, very strong upper body strength and has deceptively quick feet. Not only that, he can go past players from a standing start. He has the skill to lure them into commiting themselves slightly then the acceleration to get away from them, if they don't quite fall for that he usually uses his strength to hold them off while going past them then quick feet to snatch the ball away from them and change direction. Also, his final ball is very very impressive. Its not quite Beckham or Robert standard, but he's a damn good crosser.

I remember him ripping Ashley Cole to shreds when England played spain. I'd say he's a better dribbler than Henry.

by **bigmick** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:34 pm

Cheers Stuey Sabre

. Listen Stu I know you love the bloke I've read your posts but for that sort of money I'd want John Barnes sort of quality, players player of the year and all that jazz. Is he really, really honestly that good? I still maintain that even if we do have the 20 million available, we can't afford to splash it on one player.

by **Sabre** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:39 pm

I'm going to suffer Joaquin this weekend again. I'll make a close inspection. He's very good. 20 Million? I come from a modest club (with 2 leagues but humble) and I just don't make my mind to that amounts of money. If Liverpool's economics are ok, I'd pay the 20M.

Joaquin is unpredictable, a left back cannot know how is going to be his dribbling, from left or right, I think I said this already. He's not patternable, that is to say. He has good shoot with both legs, and good crossings. He's a great winger.

If you have joaquin though, then you must have a right back that does not go much to attack. He won't defend, he won't press. Regularity? 2 out of 3 games he's crucial in Betis performance, and I don't recall having much troubles with injuries, which is always important to the team. On the bad side, his attitude when the team is losing (he's a bit of a ball hog) and his teamwork rate. Having him on the right wing, and Alonso making his easy receivable long balls, other teams shoud have their defence wide open. Meaning, it's not only what he could provide, but Gerrard would have more meters and space to make harm.

I cannot say much about Simao. Yes, he played for Barcelona, but then he was too young. Not that he was impressive. But I do not dare to comment on him. I don't make my opinion from tV, but in Anoeta. For instance watching Piojo Lopez in a Stadium is a pleasure, when the camera is not on him, you can comment to your best friend "look his movements, he's clever", next moment, he receives and scores.

I should not say this, but in Real we have an excelent young winger, Xabi Prieto. He's good, Bloody Valencia is already touching him (by touch I mean, dirty contacts with the player without contacting the owner). He'd be cheap, skillfull, somewhat weak in stamina but that can be worked out (Alonso has improved a lot in the premiere on positioning and stamina), you'd had a 85% of Joaquin for 1/5 of the money. It won't be more than two years that he leaps to a greater team.

Sabre

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:39 pm

John Barnes...?

I was looking for a comparrison and thats it. Strength, pace, power, skill. Very similar players.

Yes he really is that good. He's in Arjen Robbens class, if not the one above. If you remember how good he was at times last year.

Mick, i know you was asking Sabre, but i have to convince you mate, he's :censored:

awesome. The only difference is Barnes was black and left sided. (No i'm not being racist).

by **LFC #1** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:42 pm

Hard to say bigmick. If he stays in La Liga his whole career, he probably will be winning the awards you speak of and will be an absolute legend in Spanish football.

Will he cut it in England, who knows? On pure ability you'd have to say yes, and he is also very strong as Stu says which will help him adjust to English football where so many others have failed. It's whether he can adjust personally, he's from the city of Sevilla, which is a family-oriented, religious type city, Reyes is also from Seville and has been unabel to adjust persoanlyl in England.

They guy has all the ability in the world, and IMO he will be an absolutely cracking buy for us - only time will tell though.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:43 pm

If you have joaquin though, then you must have a right back that does not go much to attack. He won't defend, he won't press. Regularity? 2 out of 3 games he's crucial in Betis performance, and I don't recall having much troubles with injuries, which is always important to the team. On the bad side, his attitude when the team is losing (he's a bit of a ball hog) and his teamwork rate. Having him on the right wing, and Alonso making his easy receivable long balls, other teams shoud have their defence wide open. Meaning, it's not only what he could provide, but Gerrard would have more meters and space to make harm.

Those negatives would be worked on and playing under Rafa and alongside Gerrard and Alonso i think they would improve dramatically.

by **Sabre** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:48 pm

he's from the city of Sevilla, which is a family-oriented, religious type city

That's the stereotype. The reality is that the whole Betis roster, made a huge party with lots of girls in the middle of the season some years ago . At least the girls were young, unlike Rooney's

Joaquin does not speak a single word of english though, and doesn't seem to have been brilliant at school. That worries me . But I'd say thumbs up to that signing

Sabre

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:58 pm

English wouldn't be a major problem.

Alonso, Reina, Rafa, Josemi, Morientes etc all speak spanish. He's learn english in time.

by **Paul C** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:01 pm

Sabre wrote:
he's from the city of Sevilla, which is a family-oriented, religious type city

That's the stereotype. The reality is that the whole Betis roster, made a huge party with lots of girls in the middle of the season some years ago . At least the girls were young, unlike Rooney's

Joaquin does not speak a single word of english though, and doesn't seem to have been brilliant at school. That worries me . But I'd say thumbs up to that signing

Sabre

I don't think Garcia could speak a word of English either when he arrived, besides he wouldn't be speaking English, he'd be speaking scouse :;):

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:36 am

Cheers bigmick

Hi Sabre

OK, so we are going to have to disagree regarding David and Rubén, but the facts remain, I’m sure the stats on effectiveness are somewhere to be found….And besides, Alonso and Gerrard have years to form as great if not BETTER partnership than David and Rubén….Rubén’s and David’s form in the Spanish national team is irrelevant, Spain have produced many fantastic players, but your national team and 90% of its big players are notorious for not performing on the big stage….It’s probably all to do with the political, regional divides and conflicts, but anyway….

Now……..when I mention Victor to be a good option…he is

I for one, do not think that Simáo is that much better than Victor, not at all, Victor would cost maybe £2 – £3 Million?? Benfica want in excess of £12 million for Simáo….And yes, even with his great free kick against Man U tonight, he’s not worth that much, I wouldn’t pay more than £6 million for him…..

I am the first person to say I want Joaquín or another world class winger, but we have to be REALISTIC, Lopera is NOT going to let go of his superstar for anything less than £20 million, and we are DEFINITELY not going to pay that or anything over £15 million for one player AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, in my opinion.

Victor has great experience, he played an important part of that great Deportivo Primera Liga winning team in 2000 and the team that finished runners up to Madrid in 2001….year in year out he is playing at the highest level due to Deportivos continuous Champions League campaigns, that experience is so valuable, plus he’s about 29 years old….So for a few years he would provide good service until we have a bigger budget for a proper solution….

Victor would bring stability, good crossing, some nice skills, some goals, reliability and he'd be cheap.

Sabre, of course Liverpool needs world class players all over the pitch but that’s not feasible at this moment in time, that’s just the reality with our current financial situation, I can only discuss possible realities not fantasies….Benítez's great Valencia team was made with a mixture of players like Victor....

Regarding Joaquín’s defensive side of the game….It’s come on LEAPS and BOUNDS for sure….Under Serra Ferrer’s coaching he has Joaquín tracking back and making tackles….If you compare this Joaquín to the one of 2 years ago, there's no comparison, I remember he just used to allow opposition players to walk past him with the ball….

Ok, I’ve probably gone on for too long about things that will most likely never happen, so this post is the last regarding this matter.

Cheers yall!

by **Tiiger** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:27 am

How about good winger from Italy, Germany, Scandinavian countries and Eastern Europe? Is there anyone from those countries can provide some information? :cool:

by **A.B.** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:29 am

Germany - Schweinsteigger but I don't think that Munich would be willing to sell him.

I don't pay much attention to the Seria A so I can't comment on that.

by **Paul C** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:40 am

A.B. wrote:Germany - Schweinsteigger but I don't think that Munich would be willing to sell him.

He would be a very good choice, the lad is young and has a lot of tallent, just hope he doesn't go the same way as Diesler did cos thats was a shame

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