Liverpool FC Forum

[Paul C]

Yeah I remember when they made us look like muppets, I don't want to jump on the bandwagon but Aimar made out CB's look like Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles

Surely Rafa will buy 1 or two quality wingers in January as it's sooooo obvious that this is where we are weak

[Sabre]

tactically Albelda and Baraja are a superior partnership to Gerrard and Albelda

Under no circumstances. , tactically, technically, ball recovery, long balls, timing of the game, name the aspect of the game and Liverpool's couple is better.

THey have a class winger though, VIcente. He's far beyond what Riise or Zenden can provide. Rufete is not that good, he would not be worth of being part of the Spanish contingent in Liverpool If I was Rafa. The former Malaga player is an ok winger,he is in a great team, due to the lack of men in this position.

My point is that this is a good system provided you have strong wings, and that's not the case of Liverpool right now.

Anyway, In Rafa I trust.



Now bloody Valencia wants our unique star Nihat (this would be an excellent signing for Liverpool if he HAS to leave eventually) and some say, that they might be thinking of putting him in the wing to break that wing by speed, or perhaps change the system to what used to be when Piojo Lopez played.

Sabre

[Tiiger]

tactically Albelda and Baraja are a superior partnership to Gerrard and Albelda

Under no circumstances. , tactically, technically, ball recovery, long balls, timing of the game, name the aspect of the game and Liverpool's couple is better.

THey have a class winger though, VIcente. He's far beyond what Riise or Zenden can provide. Rufete is not that good, he would not be worth of being part of the Spanish contingent in Liverpool If I was Rafa. The former Malaga player is an ok winger,he is in a great team, due to the lack of men in this position.

My point is that this is a good system provided you have strong wings, and that's not the case of Liverpool right now.

Anyway, In Rafa I trust.



Now bloody Valencia wants our unique star Nihat (this would be an excellent signing for Liverpool if he HAS to leave eventually) and some say, that they might be thinking of putting him in the wing to break that wing by speed, or perhaps change the system to what used to be when Piojo Lopez played.

Sabre

Sabre, how do you rate Victor from Deportivo as a right winger? Maybe we can buy him.

[Liverpool 4 EVA]

tactically Albelda and Baraja are a superior partnership to Gerrard and Albelda

Under no circumstances. , , name the aspect of the game and Liverpool's couple is better.

THey have a class winger though, VIcente. He's far beyond what Riise or Zenden can provide. Rufete is not that good, he would not be worth of being part of the Spanish contingent in Liverpool If I was Rafa. The former Malaga player is an ok winger,he is in a great team, due to the lack of men in this position.

My point is that this is a good system provided you have strong wings, and that's not the case of Liverpool right now.

Anyway, In Rafa I trust.



Now bloody Valencia wants our unique star Nihat (this would be an excellent signing for Liverpool if he HAS to leave eventually) and some say, that they might be thinking of putting him in the wing to break that wing by speed, or perhaps change the system to what used to be when Piojo Lopez played.

Sabre

I thoroughly disagree with you Sabre, you're wrong.

At Valencia's peak, Baraja and Albelda where more effective than what Gerrard and Alonso are NOW, thats just the fact.

All of this tactically, technically, ball recovery, long balls, timing of the game and blah blah blah is just nonsense and you have nothing to back that up with.

For a start I'll give you an example. When we played Valencia in 2001 in Anfield, (the Champions League match where we lost 0 - 1) We had Gerrard and Hamann in midfield, of course a world class midfield, and Valencia had Baraja and Albelda, now if you can, watch that match to see just how amazing they where, in fact that whole Valencia team where extraordinary, they absolutely MURDERED us and the 0 - 1 was by no means a true reflection of what actually happened in the game. That isn't the only example of their superiority in midfield, there are many.

Also the combination of Baraja and Albelda where more consistent and better footballing brains than Alonso and Gerrard at this moment in time. Perhaps Gerrard and Alonso WILL have a great understanding and become the ever consistent MACHINES that Baraja and Albelda where.

Rufete used to be a GOOD winger under Rafa, he was skilful, crossed well, scored goals and was VERY reliable when called upon.

Also, I think you are slightly confused, we are not talking about Rufete or any other ex Valencia player becoming a Liverpool player now, that would be ridiculous regarding some players, we are simply comparing the quality Rafa had when he was at Valencia and comparing it to the current Liverpool side and questioning why we aren't as good.

Cheers

[Liverpool 4 EVA]

Hello Tiger mate, sorry to butt in

Victor is a VERY good winger.

He's been Mr consistent at Deportivo and played really well season in season out.

He's quite fast, quite skilful, has a good shot and whips the ball in very well and accurately.

He was previsouly a bit part player under Capello in Real Madrid's 1997 Primera Liga winning team, I was like 14 or 15 years old but I still remember whenever I watched Real Madrid play Victor always done a good job and has continued to do so 8 years later, he also had a bigger white-guys-afro in the Real Madrid days too lol.

Cheers!

[Tiiger]

Hello Tiger mate, sorry to butt in

Victor is a VERY good winger.

He's been Mr consistent at Deportivo and played really well season in season out.

He's quite fast, quite skilful, has a good shot and whips the ball in very well and accurately.

He was previsouly a bit part player under Capello in Real Madrid's 1997 Primera Liga winning team, I was like 14 or 15 years old but I still remember whenever I watched Real Madrid play Victor always done a good job and has continued to do so 8 years later, he also had a bigger white-guys-afro in the Real Madrid days too lol.

Cheers!

Thank you L4EVA, 

So if Victor is INexpensive, we can put him on the shortlist.

[Liverpool 4 EVA]

Hello Tiger mate, sorry to butt in

Victor is a VERY good winger.

He's been Mr consistent at Deportivo and played really well season in season out.

He's quite fast, quite skilful, has a good shot and whips the ball in very well and accurately.

He was previsouly a bit part player under Capello in Real Madrid's 1997 Primera Liga winning team, I was like 14 or 15 years old but I still remember whenever I watched Real Madrid play Victor always done a good job and has continued to do so 8 years later, he also had a bigger white-guys-afro in the Real Madrid days too lol.

Cheers!

Thank you L4EVA, 

So if Victor is INexpensive, we can put him on the shortlist.

You're welcome mate

Yes, ability wise I think he is a very good option for us on the right. I have no idea how much Depor would want for him though and neither do I think that Rafa wants him.

[Sabre]

About Victor: Just OK. I wouldn't sign him up. It's true what L4EVA says about him in 1997-98 (in which I was 22 year old), but I'm a bit disappointed with his evolution, that has been unexistant. We need world class here, not ok players.

And Liverpool4EVA

I thoroughly disagree with you Sabre, you're wrong.

At Valencia's peak, Baraja and Albelda where more effective than what Gerrard and Alonso are NOW, thats just the fact.

No, I'm not wrong. I even grant you changing your initial statement, that was, shocking and wrong

tactically Albelda and Baraja are a superior partnership to Gerrard and Albelda

To this new one

Baraja and Albelda AT THEIR PEAK are tactically better couple than Gerrard and Alonso NOW (that we're not at the best form]

Which is not shocking statement, but yet, wrong.

For starters, our couple is a young one, they're not at their peak, their best is yet to come

Secondly, even at not the best Alonso form, Luis Aragones wouldn't consider to pick Baraja and Albelda for the Spanish Squad.

Thirdly, Baraja and Albelda were strong defending, and consistent, but we all saw what happpened when relyed on them for the national squad, they were dull attacking, they made our team a perfect candidate for the 0-0. Being consistent and strong, they wouldn't change the game up side down as can Gerrard and ALonso. If you need further explanation I'll come with numbers and statistics , you know I'm quite limited to explain myself in english

And I wasn't suggesting Rufete was coming. Just making a comparison in order our mates understand. I'm of the school of thought that if a foreigner must come to Liverpool, it has to be to make differences, not for being just ok. I was just stating that he's ok but not good enough to come here.

Cheers!

Sabre

Edited: Anyway, don't get mw wrong I DO like the Baraja - Albelda couple for almost any team. It's just that I truly value the Gerrard - Alonso couple, which even Real Madrid would consider "Galactic". And perhaps it's not a matter of being right or wrong, but a matter of tastes. Anyway I'd bet that If I threw a poll asking this to the Valencia Forum, It would be a balanced poll.

[Paul_Poland]

People just wait another few months... We will see on Anfield 99% of Spanish players

[Paul C]

People just wait another few months... We will see on Anfield 99% of Spanish players

I don't care as long as they help the club back into the top three and win the league in a couple of years time 

[66-1112520797]

People just wait another few months... We will see on Anfield 99% of Spanish players

I don't care as long as they help the club back into the top three and win the league in a couple of years time 

I care I would still like to see some homegrown talent in the team im sure with the right mix of players we still can get it right.

I dont think employing 99% of Spanish players would help us hit the heights again. 

[Tiiger]

People just wait another few months... We will see on Anfield 99% of Spanish players

I don't care as long as they help the club back into the top three and win the league in a couple of years time 

I care I would still like to see some homegrown talent in the team im sure with the right mix of players we still can get it right.

I dont think employing 99% of Spanish players would help us hit the heights again. 

I hope too, but I don't think there are too many young good winger in the neighbourhood.

[bigmick]

Gotta say I could read debates between Sabre (who really does know his football IMHO) and Liverpool 4 eva (our Spanish league correspondant) absolutely all day. You's two talking about the relative merits of the two midfields is the current highlight of the forum. Well informed and reasoned discussion, it's great to see.

[115-1073096938]

You're such an kisser.

[Sabre]

*blush* Obviously your correspondant is well informed, he does not talk of stereotypes he does know the players. I saw Baraja and Albelda and in his time Farinos, as the  guys who gave the team the consistancy in order people like Piojo Lopez or Aimar or Vicent now,  can display their full range of attacks, they had their back safe with this two players, and this balance was what made Valencia electric.

But when Valencia didn't have the Piojo available, those two were just unable to win their game by theirselves. Perhaps I overrate Gerrard and Alonso? perhaps, but I'm trying to be pretty honest and not "heart blinded".

Thank you!

Sabre