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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:54 pm

mighty mo wrote:all that is missing is wingers of the quality of refete and vicente,and the claim by a poster that albelda and baraja are superior to alonso and gerrard is the most stupidest comment i have ever seen on this forum

The term he used was "tactically". That doesn't mean they are superior players.

by **115-1073096938** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:36 pm

all that is missing is wingers of the quality of refete and vicente,and the claim by a poster that albelda and baraja are superior to alonso and gerrard is the most stupidest comment i have ever seen on this forum

That shows how much knowledge of the game you actually have.

by **mighty mo** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:43 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
all that is missing is wingers of the quality of refete and vicente,and the claim by a poster that albelda and baraja are superior to alonso and gerrard is the most stupidest comment i have ever seen on this forum

That shows how much knowledge of the game you actually have.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:47 pm

In a nut-shell, the Valencia team was ideal for the style of play Benitez favours. The right strengths in the right positions, and the £37m they recieved for Mendieta gave them the means to buy what they lacked. Admittedly, most of the purchases were pretty unknown, but thats the magic of Rafa. If he can find the right blend of skill and drive for LFC, we should be a bigger force than Valencia, as our board won't dictate which players to buy.

by **tubby** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:08 pm

Also Vicente was far moe skillfull than our wingers. I would say that Riise is not skillfull but hesnot being allowed to play ona regular basis becasue of Zenden. We already hold a lot of strengh in the centre of the field with Gerrard, Alonso and Sissoko and the left is sort of ok with Riise but the wingers are equally imnproant to Rafas plan than the centre which is why we are going to go shopping in the Jan window. Rafas plan for the left is obviously Gonzales as soon as that situation is resumed and of course possible candidates for the right are Joaquin or Simao. Were almost there guys. Im confident the striker will find their own, its just a matter of time with them. I was impressed with Crouch on the weekend and Cisses goal did him no harm either.

by **Tiiger** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:56 am

So anxious to see Rafa signing Aimar. Is any English player can match his ability in AMC? Maybe Scholes?

by **A.B.** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:01 am

Aimar? Wishful thinking.

by **Tiiger** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:07 am

A.B. wrote:Aimar? Wishful thinking.

Too wishful to think. :idea

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:39 am

The long running debate on Aimar is whether he'd cope with the physical nature of the Premiership or not. He reportedly welcomed a move to LFC, but there are justified reservations about his stature. He is undoubtedly talented, though!

by **daddyo** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:48 am

Cool Hand Luke wrote:Yes, this is the system that Rafa uses, and it can work in the EPL. and better movement and I hope Rafa is looking at this.

I still believe that Rafa is looking at addressing 4 positions in the first team, and when he gets his players then we will be able to tell whether he can make it work in the EPL.

Centre Back - Well documented that he is looking for a centre back. Hyypia is still a very good centre back but his speed and fitness let him down. We need someone who is younger, quicker, fitter and he has to be at least as good a defender Hyypia, that sort of player isn’t easy to find and he will probably cost a fair amount of money.

Right Midfield - We have no right sided midfield player at the club. We need 2 in my opinion, a back up and a first teamer. We need a genuine high quality, modern day winger who is two footed, can go inside and out, has pace, is positionaly aware defensive wise, and can at least get into double figures in terms of goals. Again it is not easy to find a player of this quality who is available, plus we can expect to pay a high fee when we find him.

Left Midfield - Zenden and Riise are competent and can do a good job there while we are building, but in the long term we definitely need better. Kewell of old would definitely have been the answer, we can keep hoping he comes good, but Rafa is not counting on him and we shouldn’t either. Maybe Gonzalez is the answer? But it needs to be addressed in the long term, and the same attributes are needed as that of a potential right sided midfield player (i.e. We need a genuine high quality, modern day winger who is two footed, can go inside and out, has pace, is postionaly aware defensively wise, and can at least get into double figures in terms of goals.).

Striker - I know we bought Crouch for 7MIL, but I don't think Rafa ever bought him to be our main man up front, there is definitely more to come from Morientes but he will never be a genuine success in the EPL. I still think Rafa is looking for a genuine centre forward to lead the line and get 20 goals a season, he has to be a 'dynamic' modern day forward who can fit into Rafa style. Rafa has admitted that he has watched Dirk Kuyt and is interested, Cisse will leave as soon as the right offer comes in and Rafa can find a suitable replacement.

Let’s be honest, can we expect Crouch, Zenden and Pongolle to be our main attacking threat, it looks quiet pathetic when you compare it to the 'big three'.

But I think we need to play with a higher tempo than what Valencia did under Rafa. We need a more intense tempo

appreciate what you say dude, but remember the last time they played us at our place??

They tore us to shreds with their speed of thought, speed (and accuracy) of passing and their movement.

The tempo they had was phenomenal. We couldn't live with it.

I remember coming away dreaming " if only one day we could play this way."

by **daddyo** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:53 am

[Appreciate what you say dude, but remember the last time they played us at our place??

They tore us to shreds with their speed of thought, speed (and accuracy) of passing and their movement.

The tempo they had was phenomenal. We couldn't live with it.

I remember coming away dreaming " if only one day we could play this way."

by **oakton** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:36 am

yes we need speed, we are way too slow!

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:53 am

oakton wrote:yes we need speed, we are way too slow!

Two grams for 15 quid !!

:upside:

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:22 pm

valencia were a superb team a few years back. they made mincmeat out of us in the CL on more than one occassion.

it's a very valid point made about the quality of the wide men though. we haven't had any quality wingers for years. if we had 2 quality wingers, the 4-3-3 system would suit us down to the ground.

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:54 pm

stmichael wrote:valencia were a superb team a few years back. they made mincmeat out of us in the CL on more than one occassion.

it's a very valid point made about the quality of the wide men though. we haven't had any quality wingers for years. if we had 2 quality wingers, the 4-3-3 system would suit us down to the ground.

Thats exactly the point and Rafa imo is well aware of it.
Expect to see both a left and a right winger in Jan.
Also its pretty obvious that he is not happy with Cisse, he WILL go, and depending on price will be replaced by Kuyt.
We surely must still have money after not spending a ridiculous amount in the summer.
Although we would all love Joaquin, i think he will prove too expensive and we may buy Sambrosa who we nearly signed on deadline day.

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