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by **A.B.** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:52 pm

stmichael wrote:
stapo1000 wrote:I agree that the ref was poor and if we scored a penalty it was game over Chelsea

Is it really that big a surprise that we were denied a blatant penalty? Yet again we cannot receive the award of the obvious, the blatant, the nailed-on.

It says it all when woeful Crystal Palace, who must get in the box once every game, have scored ten penalties this season from the boot of Andy Johnson.

Good point Mick, Crystal Palace have gotten the most penalties this season. All scored by Andy Johnson. They got two penalties against Birmingham.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:10 pm

A.B. wrote:Leon I did not say that Gerrard was the reason we lost however the own goal changed the outcome of the game. It's not even the own goal that angers me it's his pre-match comments and his poor performance as a captain in rescent games on the pitch.

And for the record don't come here to bullsh1t me, if its that time of the month when you get your cage rattled then thats your problem

Do not try to wriggle out of it.

You started a thread entitled 10 v 13, and inferred that Gerrard made up part of that 13 that was in opposition to LFC.

When you start posting stuff without first engaging your brain, then you will sometimes look like a fool, but when you keep doing it, I can only think you are a fool.

by **A.B.** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:14 pm

Wiggle my way out of it?

The fact of the matter is that Gerrard was a waste of space on the pitch, considering how good a player he is he should at least try his best on the pitch. But he didn't do that yesterday, he was a ghost and it felt like we only had 10 players on our squad.

When you start posting stuff without first engaging your brain, then you will sometimes look like a fool, but when you keep doing it, I can only think you are a fool.

When you come on here acting all big and bad then I can only think that you're a sad pathetic w#nker who needs to seek professional help. When your cage is rattled you come here giving me your bullsh1t.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:25 pm

A.B. wrote:Wiggle my way out of it?

The fact of the matter is that Gerrard was a waste of space on the pitch, considering how good a player he is he should at least try his best on the pitch. But he didn't do that yesterday, he was a ghost and it felt like we only had 10 players on our squad.

When you start posting stuff without first engaging your brain, then you will sometimes look like a fool, but when you keep doing it, I can only think you are a fool.

When you come on here acting all big and bad then I can only think that you're a sad pathetic w#nker who needs to seek professional help. When your cage is rattled you come here giving me your bullsh1t.

You talk some ****** lad, but this is way out there.

Firstly, you say "...considering how good a player he is he should at least try his best on the pitch...". so if you are a good player then you must try harder? and if you are a really sh!t player you do not have to try as hard? Could you be any more wrong?

Average players generally have little skill, but work hard.

Good players generally have a bit of natural ability and great work ethic.

Great players are blessed and work damn hard at it.

Stevie is simply the latest on your (and many other forum idiots) bandwagon of scapegoats for why we lost.

Football is a simple game complicated by idiots. Occasionally, when the best team wins and its not you then you simply have to take your hat off to them. We do not need to have any one player to blame.

by **A.B.** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:30 pm

Firstly, you say "...considering how good a player he is he should at least try his best on the pitch...". so if you are a good player then you must try harder? and if you are a really sh!t player you do not have to try as hard? Could you be any more wrong?

Take your head out of your ****** and then wake up, after doing so you would realize what I am trying to say.

EVERY LIVERPOOL PLAYER SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO GIVE THEIR ALL. It doesn't matter if your Diao or Steven Gerrard you should attempt to give it your all.

Luis Garcia lost the ball several times in the second half but he tried his best. I would had liked to see that from Gerrard yesterday even if he had a poor game it doesn't hurt to try.

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:34 pm

A.B. wrote:
Firstly, you say "...considering how good a player he is he should at least try his best on the pitch...". so if you are a good player then you must try harder? and if you are a really sh!t player you do not have to try as hard? Could you be any more wrong?

Take your head out of your ****** and then wake up, after doing so you would realize what I am trying to say.

EVERY LIVERPOOL PLAYER SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO GIVE THEIR ALL. It doesn't matter if your Diao or Steven Gerrard you should attempt to give it your all.

Luis Garcia lost the ball several times in the second half but he tried his best. I would had liked to see that from Gerrard yesterday even if he had a poor game it doesn't hurt to try.

Yes, but you quantified his effort in terms of his ability, ie more ability you have means you must try harder. If you suggest something and write it in a thread, and I disagree with your view point, dont start with the anger emoticons, just dont post the ****** in the first place.

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:37 pm

I think he tried. I think he gave it all he's got, but at the mo' he's woefully out of form. It's a simple explanation, not particularly insightful but the correct one I think. BTW, I didn't think it was a penalty either, not in a million years.

by **fivecups** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:16 pm

bigmick wrote:I think he tried. I think he gave it all he's got, but at the mo' he's woefully out of form. It's a simple explanation, not particularly insightful but the correct one I think. BTW, I didn't think it was a penalty either, not in a million years.

Mick, are you talking about the Gerard/ Makelele incident. I thought that was the most obvious penalty I've ever seen. Did I miss something here?

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:36 pm

Absolutely, Makeleli gets wrong side of Stevie in the initial tussle for ground. Gets his arm over the shoulder and manages to engineer a mutual tumble. In the centre circle you get a free-kick, in the box? nah not for me. Put it this way, the other way round and they get a pen and we'd be spitting feathers. I think Stevie has got right side, if he can get it under control what he must do is go left and give Makeleli nowhere to go. Then you've got yourself a penalty. As it was, sorry no in my opinion.
FWIW I thought the ref had quite a good game but should have booked Cole not given him a foul for the dive over Hyypia's shadow. This in my view should be a classic case of a disiplinary panel subsequent punishment. He knew Sami had been booked and was without question trying to get him sent off. Blatant, premeditated cheating, no more no less. Is it worse than some bloke with gloves on pushing some other ponce and causing him to go down like he's shot? Damn right it is and the game will be disfigured until the powers that be have the stomach to address it.

by **fivecups** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:12 pm

Not for me. I thought it was one of the clearest penalties I've ever seen. Im not going to cry about it now but at the time I couldn't believe it wasn't given. I've watched it again multiple times and it was clear cut.

Stevie had clearly beaten Makelele. He was in a good position to control the ball then fashion to shoot. Yes he would have had to deal with the presence of Makelele but it was still a good opportunity. As he was about to control the ball Makelele just lands on him. He put so much body-weight on him Stevie could do nothing but fall to the ground - clear foul - clear penalty.

I normally have sympathy with goalkeepers/ defenders but in that situation I thought the ref couldn't miss it. Next time you watch it picture what Gerrard would have done if Makelele hadn't landed on him.

I didn't think Sami deserved to be booked originally either.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:15 pm

bigmick wrote:Absolutely, Makeleli gets wrong side of Stevie in the initial tussle for ground. Gets his arm over the shoulder and manages to engineer a mutual tumble. In the centre circle you get a free-kick, in the box? nah not for me. Put it this way, the other way round and they get a pen and we'd be spitting feathers. I think Stevie has got right side, if he can get it under control what he must do is go left and give Makeleli nowhere to go. Then you've got yourself a penalty. As it was, sorry no in my opinion.
FWIW I thought the ref had quite a good game but should have booked Cole not given him a foul for the dive over Hyypia's shadow. This in my view should be a classic case of a disiplinary panel subsequent punishment. He knew Sami had been booked and was without question trying to get him sent off. Blatant, premeditated cheating, no more no less. Is it worse than some bloke with gloves on pushing some other ponce and causing him to go down like he's shot? Damn right it is and the game will be disfigured until the powers that be have the stomach to address it.

maybe it wasn`t a pen twenty years ago mick but i reckon it is these days. we copped a similar one against us in the birmingham game when heskey managed to get goal side of hypia.

by **A.B.** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:26 pm

BigMick penalties these days are given when they are not supposed to be. Last time we played them there were two blatant penalties and the ref did not give them. It should had been a penalty yesterday imo because if refs can give a penalty to a dive like Rooney's against Arsenal then they can give one to us.

On another note Kezman should had been sent off, there were three handballs and he wasn't booked for any of them.

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