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Postby A.B. » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:32 am

Comming into this game I thought we had something to prove to the critics, the doubters. Last time we played Chelsea we played them at Anfield and outplayed them from the second the game began however we didn't even it because we were robbed by the official who was wearing a Chelsea kit that day.

There is no reason why we couldn't had lifted the Carling Cup trophy. We did not play pretty football but it seemed that we had 10 men on the pitch and Chelsea had 13. The other two being Steven Gerrard and the ref.

We started the game extremely wall, great assist by Morientes and even a better finish by John Arne Riise. From that point on we took the foot of the gas when we shouldn't had. The early goal was a double edged sword,afterwards we started to defend deeper and deeper.

78 minutes and Chelsea were at bay with four strikers and could not break through. A team that is worth 250 million that is far superior than ours on paper could not break through until the 79th minute when an own goal by Steven Gerrard the Red captain changed the entire outcome of the game.

I don't think Rafa got the tactics wrong, I know what his objective was and that was to score the goal first and defend well and fire on Chelsea at the counter attack. The reason why I think Benitez choose this tactic was because the last time around we played very openly but lost at the end due to the ref and poor defending from a set piece.

This time we defended extremely well but our midfield was weak and therefore Morientes couldn't really do much up front. Gerrard was uneffective as he has been for the past five or six games. He was a waste of space on the pitch really, it's not even the own goal that bothers me its the fact that he played like he didn't care. Not just in this game but he's been playing poorely for a while now. That sort of performance is unacceptable from a Liverpool player but what makes it even worse is that he's playing poorely without trying as a Liverpool CAPTAIN.

Kewell and Luis Garcia linked up fairly well until Kewell was taken off and thats when Garcia started to lose the ball a bit more and  didn't play all that well in the second half as he did in the first half.

Simply the midfield was not good enough to create chances up front.

People say Chelsea deserved to win because they created chances and had more of the possesion but I disagree. They couldn't score in 90 minutes and they were extremely lucky that the game wasn't over earlier because a penalty[once again] was not given to us.

We deserved to win last time but didn't, we didn't deserve to lose today not after defending so well.

We didn't lose like we did against Birmingham or Southampton, we lost but not without a fight. Even when Chelsea scored the third goal we came back and kept a life line open for ourselves. Not a lot of teams can do that against Chelsea.

We had the ability to win the game, Chelsea are not unbeatable, not unstoppable,not invincible.

I'm gutted as much as the next fan that we lost however it is not the end of the world. The outcome of the game would not change the fact that this is a transitional season.Whatever we do this year will help us do it better next year.

I am proud to be a Liverpool fan after today[not that I wasn't proud before] but our fans who sang their hearts out during the entire game[sang even after the game was over] and our players[excluding Gerrard] made me extra proud.

We will live to fight another day. Keep the faith and hope.


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Postby banana » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:53 am

I have to agree that we lost the game in midfield. After a decent first half our level dropped considerably in tha second half. kewell is not ready to play a full game and was on and off. Garcia gave the ball away too easy. Gerrard didn't play very well. Riise scored a goal, but that's it. Only player in midfield to deserve credit was Hamann. He was outstanding. Everything he did was cool and composed. He never gave the ball away, he closed down the opposition effectively, won a lot of tackles and had a good run that produced a incredible save from Cech. I thought Hamann was on his way down, but his two last performances have proved me wrong. We m8ust do everything we can to extend his contract. Our defence held up pretty well. However Hyypia did get beaten a few times too many in my opinion. On the positive side, he won many headers. I must say that we missed Traore's pace and tackling strenght in the second part of the game and Biscan was not very effective when he came on.

Todays game shows that we are not yet ready to challenge the big guns, and that we need three or four quality players in the summer.
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Postby stapo1000 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:34 am

Gerrard had a bad game FOR ONCE. He hardly wanted chelsea to win. I agree that the ref was poor and if we scored a penalty it was game over Chelsea
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Postby A.B. » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:52 am

Stapo Gerrard has had bad games against Charlton,Fulham,Manchester United,Southampton,Birmingham,etc...

He's played poorely for a while now but today was his worst performance
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Postby Alonso_Rulz » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:53 am

gerrard is having a bad patch but, he does not care much, and moans so much.
one thing i must say, i am proud to be a liverpool fans, at the first half, i tot we are playing at anfield, the fans in the stadium was great... but gerrard, he spoils everything.
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Postby ronmeister » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:19 am

Lets hope the team feel like the fan's do at this moment because if they do Newcastle better beware as had the rest of the league .I believe this game may have woken us up and we will just climb up from here bigger better and in the summer stronger.To be hohnest i dont think there is a team in the prem who can beat us on our day and i can see us having our day every week now till we get 4th spot secured.Cmon
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:44 pm

Good confident post but until we sort the Gerrard issue out I think we'll struggle.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:00 pm

A.B. wrote:Comming into this game I thought we had something to prove to the critics, the doubters. Last time we played Chelsea we played them at Anfield and outplayed them from the second the game began however we didn't even it because we were robbed by the official who was wearing a Chelsea kit that day.

There is no reason why we couldn't had lifted the Carling Cup trophy. We did not play pretty football but it seemed that we had 10 men on the pitch and Chelsea had 13. The other two being Steven Gerrard and the ref.

We started the game extremely wall, great assist by Morientes and even a better finish by John Arne Riise. From that point on we took the foot of the gas when we shouldn't had. The early goal was a double edged sword,afterwards we started to defend deeper and deeper.

78 minutes and Chelsea were at bay with four strikers and could not break through. A team that is worth 250 million that is far superior than ours on paper could not break through until the 79th minute when an own goal by Steven Gerrard the Red captain changed the entire outcome of the game.

I don't think Rafa got the tactics wrong, I know what his objective was and that was to score the goal first and defend well and fire on Chelsea at the counter attack. The reason why I think Benitez choose this tactic was because the last time around we played very openly but lost at the end due to the ref and poor defending from a set piece.

This time we defended extremely well but our midfield was weak and therefore Morientes couldn't really do much up front. Gerrard was uneffective as he has been for the past five or six games. He was a waste of space on the pitch really, it's not even the own goal that bothers me its the fact that he played like he didn't care. Not just in this game but he's been playing poorely for a while now. That sort of performance is unacceptable from a Liverpool player but what makes it even worse is that he's playing poorely without trying as a Liverpool CAPTAIN.

Kewell and Luis Garcia linked up fairly well until Kewell was taken off and thats when Garcia started to lose the ball a bit more and  didn't play all that well in the second half as he did in the first half.

Simply the midfield was not good enough to create chances up front.

People say Chelsea deserved to win because they created chances and had more of the possesion but I disagree. They couldn't score in 90 minutes and they were extremely lucky that the game wasn't over earlier because a penalty[once again] was not given to us.

We deserved to win last time but didn't, we didn't deserve to lose today not after defending so well.

We didn't lose like we did against Birmingham or Southampton, we lost but not without a fight. Even when Chelsea scored the third goal we came back and kept a life line open for ourselves. Not a lot of teams can do that against Chelsea.

We had the ability to win the game, Chelsea are not unbeatable, not unstoppable,not invincible.

I'm gutted as much as the next fan that we lost however it is not the end of the world. The outcome of the game would not change the fact that this is a transitional season.Whatever we do this year will help us do it better next year.

I am proud to be a Liverpool fan after today[not that I wasn't proud before] but our fans who sang their hearts out during the entire game[sang even after the game was over] and our players[excluding Gerrard] made me extra proud.

We will live to fight another day. Keep the faith and hope.


Cheers

With fans like you, I am really glad you are stranded over there in the USA, how can you come on here and try and make out that the captain of my club was in any way responsible for or set out to help chelsea win.

You are a clueless fool who should keep his "opinions" and "knowledge" (and I use those terms in the loose'est possible form) to himself.

Let me ask you two questions:

1) If we play as a team, should we not criticise the team.

2) If Jamie Carragher had scored an own goal, would you have said that he was on Chelsea's side?

You are the kind of clueless know nothing football "fan" that Sky Sports and their News people were invented for.

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Postby mistyred » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:12 pm

all of this ill feeling by no means stems from 1 own goal surely nobody believes that, sometimes it what you don't do that gets up peoples back and you know "knowledge" is only what you make it the moment you think you know to much you MUST realise you know absolutely nothing atall.
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Postby XSD » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:17 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:2) If Jamie Carragher had scored an own goal, would you have said that he was on Chelsea's side?

In his defence, this question doesn't apply because Carragher doesn't talk as much or try to run the club.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:20 pm

XSD wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:2) If Jamie Carragher had scored an own goal, would you have said that he was on Chelsea's side?

In his defence, this question doesn't apply because Carragher doesn't talk as much or try to run the club.

That is not my point, and in truth Carragher was a bad example to use in the light of his obvious devotion over and above the call of duty.

The point is would the same be said if another player had scored an oggy?

No. It would be "unlucky" or "unfortunate", but there would be no questioning his integrity.

whilst I understand peoples pain, I feel it myself, but we must take a look at the bigger picture.
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Postby stapo1000 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:33 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
A.B. wrote:Comming into this game I thought we had something to prove to the critics, the doubters. Last time we played Chelsea we played them at Anfield and outplayed them from the second the game began however we didn't even it because we were robbed by the official who was wearing a Chelsea kit that day.

There is no reason why we couldn't had lifted the Carling Cup trophy. We did not play pretty football but it seemed that we had 10 men on the pitch and Chelsea had 13. The other two being Steven Gerrard and the ref.

We started the game extremely wall, great assist by Morientes and even a better finish by John Arne Riise. From that point on we took the foot of the gas when we shouldn't had. The early goal was a double edged sword,afterwards we started to defend deeper and deeper.

78 minutes and Chelsea were at bay with four strikers and could not break through. A team that is worth 250 million that is far superior than ours on paper could not break through until the 79th minute when an own goal by Steven Gerrard the Red captain changed the entire outcome of the game.

I don't think Rafa got the tactics wrong, I know what his objective was and that was to score the goal first and defend well and fire on Chelsea at the counter attack. The reason why I think Benitez choose this tactic was because the last time around we played very openly but lost at the end due to the ref and poor defending from a set piece.

This time we defended extremely well but our midfield was weak and therefore Morientes couldn't really do much up front. Gerrard was uneffective as he has been for the past five or six games. He was a waste of space on the pitch really, it's not even the own goal that bothers me its the fact that he played like he didn't care. Not just in this game but he's been playing poorely for a while now. That sort of performance is unacceptable from a Liverpool player but what makes it even worse is that he's playing poorely without trying as a Liverpool CAPTAIN.

Kewell and Luis Garcia linked up fairly well until Kewell was taken off and thats when Garcia started to lose the ball a bit more and  didn't play all that well in the second half as he did in the first half.

Simply the midfield was not good enough to create chances up front.

People say Chelsea deserved to win because they created chances and had more of the possesion but I disagree. They couldn't score in 90 minutes and they were extremely lucky that the game wasn't over earlier because a penalty[once again] was not given to us.

We deserved to win last time but didn't, we didn't deserve to lose today not after defending so well.

We didn't lose like we did against Birmingham or Southampton, we lost but not without a fight. Even when Chelsea scored the third goal we came back and kept a life line open for ourselves. Not a lot of teams can do that against Chelsea.

We had the ability to win the game, Chelsea are not unbeatable, not unstoppable,not invincible.

I'm gutted as much as the next fan that we lost however it is not the end of the world. The outcome of the game would not change the fact that this is a transitional season.Whatever we do this year will help us do it better next year.

I am proud to be a Liverpool fan after today[not that I wasn't proud before] but our fans who sang their hearts out during the entire game[sang even after the game was over] and our players[excluding Gerrard] made me extra proud.

We will live to fight another day. Keep the faith and hope.


Cheers

With fans like you, I am really glad you are stranded over there in the USA, how can you come on here and try and make out that the captain of my club was in any way responsible for or set out to help chelsea win.

You are a clueless fool who should keep his "opinions" and "knowledge" (and I use those terms in the loose'est possible form) to himself.

Let me ask you two questions:

1) If we play as a team, should we not criticise the team.

2) If Jamie Carragher had scored an own goal, would you have said that he was on Chelsea's side?

You are the kind of clueless know nothing football "fan" that Sky Sports and their News people were invented for.

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Postby A.B. » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm

If Jamie Carragher had scored an own goal, would you have said that he was on Chelsea's side?


No I wouldn't because Carra gives 200 percent in all games that he plays in where as Gerrard has been strolling around the pitch for the past two months.

Don't get me wrong it would be gutting to see Gerrard leave but his comments is one of the things that makes his performances even worse than they are
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Postby stmichael » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:43 pm

stapo1000 wrote:I agree that the ref was poor and if we scored a penalty it was game over Chelsea

Is it really that big a surprise that we were denied a blatant penalty? Yet again we cannot receive the award of the obvious, the blatant, the nailed-on.

It says it all when woeful Crystal Palace, who must get in the box once every game, have scored ten penalties this season from the boot of Andy Johnson.  :angry:
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Postby A.B. » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:49 pm

Leon I did not say that Gerrard was the reason we lost however the own goal changed the outcome of the game.  It's not even the own goal that angers me it's his pre-match comments and his poor performance as a captain in rescent games on the pitch.

And for the record don't come here to bullsh1t me, if its that time of the month when you get your cage rattled then thats your problem
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