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Postby The_Rock » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:23 am

Days ago, i posted that

1)i did not have a good feeling about this birmingham game.
2)Draw will be a good result
3)Why didn't we sign pennant on loan
4)This season is a write-off. It is not the end0of-world if we don't qualify for 4th (though i still think we will).

1st 2 came true (we stank & a draw would have been a good result). I am sure now ppl will ask why we never signed pennant. As for the season bring a write-off.....lets see..


Pi$$ed because of :

1)Rafa is a good coach and all, but i am not sure why he did not go for pandiani or pennant for loan signings. We would have surely got them instead of birmingham.

2)How can we play biscan & hamann on the same team ?

3)Why do we always have problems with teams who keep pressing throughout the game (blue sh1t, birmingham...).

4)Looking at the 1st team and the bench against birmingham, we don't have a decent squad..... why didn't we sign more players on loan ? Spurs, Birmingham & southampton had signed sh1t load of players........

5)PPl blaming steven gerrard for everything. Wake-up. The whole team stank. WTF can steven gerrard do, on his own ? Even i would get upset when i see biscan line-up with me...


I still stand by the fact that this season is a write-off..... Becos we can expect more of this display this season.

I also stand by the fact that we have to buy a left & right winger by next season ........period. If anybody comes up and says riise is a left winger i will puke....seriously. He is a good left back who is just doing a temp-job @ left wing. Kewell is history. Rafa is just ignoring all question about kewell (he talks about alonso & cisse but not kewell)...no news about him. I will be suprised if i see kewell here next season.

I shall now go and drown my sorrows........
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Postby A.B. » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:58 am

Looking at the 1st team and the bench against birmingham, we don't have a decent squad..... why didn't we sign more players on loan ? Spurs, Birmingham & southampton had signed sh1t load of players........


You've answered your own question Rock. We are not Birmingham,Spurs,Southampton, we are Liverpool Football Club. Do you see Arsenal,Chelsea and Manchester United signing players on a loan?

Southampton and Birmingham are signing players on a loan to save themselves from ending up at the bottom of the table. We and are not the same as them. We build for the future, a player on a loan is not the future. He could leave at the end of the season and what do we get in return? Nothing.

Pennant couldn't cut it for Arsenal so why would he cut it here? Its Birmingham ffs. Even Heskey was great before comming to us but look what's happened.

Pandiani? Do you honestly believe that he will stay at Birmingham. The fool himself said that he didn't want to come to Birmingham, he wanted to go to the Seria A.

Signing players on loans is a joke, you either sign a player or you don't.

Don't make execuses for Gerrard. He has been playing below his standards for more than one game. He's the captain he should play better than this.

He didn't do much today, he didn't do much against Fulham or Charlton, his attitude I'm afraid stinks on the pitch. He's been a great player for us in these past few years but this is getting 
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Postby The_Rock » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:06 am

we have no money....so what is wrong with signing loan players ? Isn't that a win-win situation. If they are good, then sign them next season. If they are bad, then "anleka" them.

Just because the scums don't do it, doesn't mean we have to follow them......We are not the best team in england anymore...... No harm in signing loan players.
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Postby The_Rock » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:12 am

Heskey is sh1t. He is still sh1t for birmingham. But pennant is class.....Hate to say this, but if you wanna compare nunez, smicer, garcia & pennant for the right wing spot....pennant wins hands down......


Don't really wanna argue......... My weekend is over.

Feel like canceling the valentine day's events i have arranged for tomorrow...... My GF will prob dump me ....but i don't give a focker..... :angry:
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Postby A.B. » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:15 am

The_Rock wrote:we have no money....so what is wrong with signing loan players ? Isn't that a win-win situation. If they are good, then sign them next season. If they are bad, then "anleka" them.

Just because the scums don't do it, doesn't mean we have to follow them......We are not the best team in england anymore...... No harm in signing loan players.

We still pay their wages, loans do us no good. Pennant is hardly Premiership class. We need World Class players like Alonso,Morientes,Gerrard[on his good day],etc...
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Postby crazyhorse » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:35 am

Did we not loan Anelka a wee while ago, and he certainly did a job for us.
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Postby A.B. » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:44 am

And where is Anelka now?
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Postby LiverpoolMadman » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:05 am

After watching the game , I don't blame RB . I blame the chairman who didn't give him enough money to buy better players. RB have no choice to play some of the players that he knows these players are not up to his standard. To loan players , we need to pay their salary . Maybe there just no money left.
Hypia ,Hamman, Biscan,Taore, Scimer, HK and  Dudek . These are the players that we should sell ASAP because some of them too old , too slow too many times make mistake , too "soft" and too expensive .
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Postby Red Macgregor » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:40 am

LiverpoolMadman wrote:After watching the game , I don't blame RB . I blame the chairman who didn't give him enough money to buy better players. RB have no choice to play some of the players that he knows these players are not up to his standard. To loan players , we need to pay their salary . Maybe there just no money left.
Hypia ,Hamman, Biscan,Taore, Scimer, HK and  Dudek . These are the players that we should sell ASAP because some of them too old , too slow too many times make mistake , too "soft" and too expensive .

Good points there !
Parry is making a mess of the club, while he goes in search of this mythical finance that will arrive without giving away control in the club !
He should have accepeted Morgan's money last year, we should have abandoned the idea of a new stadium and spent all available money on the team. There are just too many players who need replacing. Unforunately, SG is right he is playing with a load of dud's, I think his shoulders dropped when we only signed Morientes, I think that was the final straw for him, when he recognised that we do NOT have any real ambition !
We need a new impetus in the financial management of the club, if we carry on like we are we WILL only be the equivalent of Birmingham and Southampton.  :angry:    :angry:
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Postby Red Macgregor » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:44 am

From Koptalk:
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8th February 2005

Parry surfaced for a reason

I really enjoy it when Rick Parry surfaces because I enjoy hearing what the man has to say. He's a very intelligent man and he has great media skills. When he speaks, it's basically the club speaking so you have to listen to what he says. I record his interviews on the box and watch them over and over. I study the body language when asked awkward questions and I examine his words for several hours. I'm not a stalker, nor do I have any desires to date the man; it's just my job to try and read into his mind.

He's appeared this week for a reason. It was certainly timed to perfection with a timescale I have imprinted in my memory relating to the investment stuff but what his game is, I just don't know. It is clear that the club are now preparing us for the possible sale of Steven Gerrard. This was clear when Rick said that we can't keep a player against his will. That fits in with everything we've been hearing. The only thing is, I fear we'll get ripped off because if the skipper decides to jump ship in the summer, the buying club would have the upperhand when it comes to negotiating the transfer fee. We were ripped off by Real Madrid when we sold Owen and I fear it will happen again. Had we got a decent fee for Owen maybe we wouldn't be as desperate for investment as sources in Anfield claim. I hold Rick Parry responsible for that, nice bloke or not.

Rick also touched on the possibility of securing naming rights for the new stadium. This is something that at one time I would have opposed but the fact that we're leaving our spiritual home, means you can call the new place anything you like for me. The special vibe will be left behind should we move so you can call it what you like. 'The LG Anfield Stadium' or 'The Gillette, The Best A Man Can Get Stadium' will do. Who cares. If we can net £50million to £100million, I'm game. Throw in the sale of Steven Gerrard and with or without investment or a take-over, we'll have a decent kitty to play with. I support the chief executive's thinking here relating to the naming rights.

Although Rick has kicked into action this week, I can't help but believe that his appearance is due mainly to the ongoing financial situation at the club relating directly to movement, or the lack of it, behind the scenes, possibly to buy some more time. What I can't get round my head is why nobody is picking up on Dalglish and L4. Rick continues to say that he is "excited" by the so called mystery bidder yet the more he says this, the more confused I become. He won't refer to them either positively or negatively. I'm convinced that Rick fears L4 and is desperate not to deal with them just like the chairman David Moores fears Morgan and doesn't want to deal with him. The chief exec's words just don't add up. On one hand it makes you think that there must be another mystery bidder yet the so called late approach was around the time that the last AGM was held which was when L4 stepped up their interest so it doesn't tie in. There are several options. 1) Rick is bluffing L4 into believing there is another bidder but there isn't one, 2) There is another bidder, 3) Rick is publicly making out L4 are "exciting" but he's privately hoping they sling their hook (as he'd almost certainly lose his job). Whatever the truth, it appears to me that the club are pressing ahead in their hunt for a sub 30% (minor) investor.

Last month I said that the club could have new owners in place by the end of February IF THEY (RP & DM) WANTED. I still believe that this is possible but ask me if I think it will happen and I'd have to say no because it just seems that they are refusing to go down the take-over route. L4 remain on the scene, as does Steve Morgan and I do know that things have been happening over the last fortnight (with things intensifying towards the end of last week) which is why I believe Rick appeared, one week earlier than I expected. The Krafts are no longer involved despite people claiming they are, people who must have watched the Superbowl the other night as the commentators mentioned Bob Kraft as having an interest in Liverpool Football Club. There's nothing to say he couldn't come back at a later date but as things stand, I can assure you he is not on the scene. That is a real shame.

David Moores and Rick Parry have to do what is right for the club. I accept that and I don't want them to rush into things but let's be honest, this has been ongoing for a couple of years now. I just hope and pray that they won't let personalities get in the way of striking the best deal(s) for the club. Support for Steve Morgan is increasing while there's little talk of L4 who are happily working out of the public eye - I do know that there is a mutual respect in place between Morgan and L4. Just remember to keep an eye on the take-over panel's disclosure table for possible developments -->>

I have a feeling February is going to be a long month. Morgan has been rejected by LFC but the door remains open for him. L4 haven't been rejected yet which is promising if you go by the name of Kenny Dalglish. However, no matter how good the L4 bid could be, if David Moores and Rick Parry wish to retain their positions, no take-over (major investment) will get the green light. I'm with Alan Hansen when he says that without major investment, Liverpool can forget finishing in the top 3 for at least the next 3 seasons. Like him, I'm hoping to see a major investment take place. That way we can keep our best players and build a successful team around them.

The sale of Steven Gerrard, a minor investment and the possible naming of the new 'Cost Cutters Anfield Stadium' may just bail RP and DM out for the short term future. We're told that the chairman is a great man and that he'll make personal sacrifices for the best interests of the club. I actually trust Moores and have a lot of time for him. I just don't want to see people turn on him over the coming months if things get dirty. I sincerely hope he gets the deal that is right for him and that is right for us. I don't care about the men in the middle.

PS: LG were rumoured to be negotiating a new shirt sponsorship deal. Have you noticed the increased advertising by LG at Anfield recently?
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Postby Ciggy » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:44 am

??? Why whats wrong with Morientes ? Hes one of the best forwards in the world, Stevie can only wish and dream to win as much as Morientes has won in his young life.
Thats a really stupid thing to say.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:47 am

Red Macgregor wrote:From Koptalk:
The Editor

8th February 2005

Parry surfaced for a reason

I really enjoy it when Rick Parry surfaces because I enjoy hearing what the man has to say. He's a very intelligent man and he has great media skills. When he speaks, it's basically the club speaking so you have to listen to what he says. I record his interviews on the box and watch them over and over. I study the body language when asked awkward questions and I examine his words for several hours. I'm not a stalker, nor do I have any desires to date the man; it's just my job to try and read into his mind.

He's appeared this week for a reason. It was certainly timed to perfection with a timescale I have imprinted in my memory relating to the investment stuff but what his game is, I just don't know. It is clear that the club are now preparing us for the possible sale of Steven Gerrard. This was clear when Rick said that we can't keep a player against his will. That fits in with everything we've been hearing. The only thing is, I fear we'll get ripped off because if the skipper decides to jump ship in the summer, the buying club would have the upperhand when it comes to negotiating the transfer fee. We were ripped off by Real Madrid when we sold Owen and I fear it will happen again. Had we got a decent fee for Owen maybe we wouldn't be as desperate for investment as sources in Anfield claim. I hold Rick Parry responsible for that, nice bloke or not.

Rick also touched on the possibility of securing naming rights for the new stadium. This is something that at one time I would have opposed but the fact that we're leaving our spiritual home, means you can call the new place anything you like for me. The special vibe will be left behind should we move so you can call it what you like. 'The LG Anfield Stadium' or 'The Gillette, The Best A Man Can Get Stadium' will do. Who cares. If we can net £50million to £100million, I'm game. Throw in the sale of Steven Gerrard and with or without investment or a take-over, we'll have a decent kitty to play with. I support the chief executive's thinking here relating to the naming rights.

Although Rick has kicked into action this week, I can't help but believe that his appearance is due mainly to the ongoing financial situation at the club relating directly to movement, or the lack of it, behind the scenes, possibly to buy some more time. What I can't get round my head is why nobody is picking up on Dalglish and L4. Rick continues to say that he is "excited" by the so called mystery bidder yet the more he says this, the more confused I become. He won't refer to them either positively or negatively. I'm convinced that Rick fears L4 and is desperate not to deal with them just like the chairman David Moores fears Morgan and doesn't want to deal with him. The chief exec's words just don't add up. On one hand it makes you think that there must be another mystery bidder yet the so called late approach was around the time that the last AGM was held which was when L4 stepped up their interest so it doesn't tie in. There are several options. 1) Rick is bluffing L4 into believing there is another bidder but there isn't one, 2) There is another bidder, 3) Rick is publicly making out L4 are "exciting" but he's privately hoping they sling their hook (as he'd almost certainly lose his job). Whatever the truth, it appears to me that the club are pressing ahead in their hunt for a sub 30% (minor) investor.

Last month I said that the club could have new owners in place by the end of February IF THEY (RP & DM) WANTED. I still believe that this is possible but ask me if I think it will happen and I'd have to say no because it just seems that they are refusing to go down the take-over route. L4 remain on the scene, as does Steve Morgan and I do know that things have been happening over the last fortnight (with things intensifying towards the end of last week) which is why I believe Rick appeared, one week earlier than I expected. The Krafts are no longer involved despite people claiming they are, people who must have watched the Superbowl the other night as the commentators mentioned Bob Kraft as having an interest in Liverpool Football Club. There's nothing to say he couldn't come back at a later date but as things stand, I can assure you he is not on the scene. That is a real shame.

David Moores and Rick Parry have to do what is right for the club. I accept that and I don't want them to rush into things but let's be honest, this has been ongoing for a couple of years now. I just hope and pray that they won't let personalities get in the way of striking the best deal(s) for the club. Support for Steve Morgan is increasing while there's little talk of L4 who are happily working out of the public eye - I do know that there is a mutual respect in place between Morgan and L4. Just remember to keep an eye on the take-over panel's disclosure table for possible developments -->>

I have a feeling February is going to be a long month. Morgan has been rejected by LFC but the door remains open for him. L4 haven't been rejected yet which is promising if you go by the name of Kenny Dalglish. However, no matter how good the L4 bid could be, if David Moores and Rick Parry wish to retain their positions, no take-over (major investment) will get the green light. I'm with Alan Hansen when he says that without major investment, Liverpool can forget finishing in the top 3 for at least the next 3 seasons. Like him, I'm hoping to see a major investment take place. That way we can keep our best players and build a successful team around them.

The sale of Steven Gerrard, a minor investment and the possible naming of the new 'Cost Cutters Anfield Stadium' may just bail RP and DM out for the short term future. We're told that the chairman is a great man and that he'll make personal sacrifices for the best interests of the club. I actually trust Moores and have a lot of time for him. I just don't want to see people turn on him over the coming months if things get dirty. I sincerely hope he gets the deal that is right for him and that is right for us. I don't care about the men in the middle.

PS: LG were rumoured to be negotiating a new shirt sponsorship deal. Have you noticed the increased advertising by LG at Anfield recently?

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Postby Red Macgregor » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:50 am

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote: ??? Why whats wrong with Morientes ? Hes one of the best forwards in the world, Stevie can only wish and dream to win as much as Morientes has won in his young life.
Thats a really stupid thing to say.

Read the post properly !  It says when we ONLY signed Morientes !!  We need more better players not just one.
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Postby XSD » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:04 pm

I knew Pennant would have been a good take, he was there for the taking and birmingham got in ahead.
I had a bad feeling about this game too, it was going to be tough, and we barely ever string more than 3 wins in a row together do we?
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Postby LiverpoolMadman » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:22 pm

We need a new impetus in the financial management of the club, if we carry on like we are we WILL only be the equivalent of Birmingham and Southampton


I have a bad feeling about this .
1)We might end up like Leeds .
2)I felf that some of the players have "throw away the match". For the whole day , I thinking too much on the last match. Maybe ( who knows only GOD knows) someone out there "higher than RB" met some players and told them to "throw away the match". Nevermind if we lost the 4th spot . If we lost that spot , some of the key players like SG ($35m), Baros ($20m), Cisse($15m) and Alonso ($13m) will be sell. The money is much more "bigger " than winning that 4th spot .
Who cares about CL next season , Liverpool will be back the next 2 season . The money that get after selling these players will be given to RB and he going to start everything from the "root" .
So what I think is which has a bigger income , losing that 4th spot and selling the key players or winning that 4th spot for next season CL but the next season PL will be the same "old thing"; that is again fight to 4th spot because DM still a major share holder and won't let any investor to invest in Liverpool.
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