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by **115-1073096938** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:47 am

Mellor for England? :cool:

by **A.B.** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:52 am

If he scores a few more times he might just make it. :cool:

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:09 am

Well if Heskey can get in there why not?

by **A.B.** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 am

Good point lol :cool:

by **Santa** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:39 am

Some harsh words indeed from some of you guys...remember this is the guy who scored a couple to knock out Carling Cup holder Boro and a winner against EPL Champion ARSEnal. He was a prolific scorer in the reserve and only just came into starting XI. He might not have the natural gifted skills of a Henry or Fowler but he made up for it with heart, determination and willingness to stick to the Rafa's game plan. Would you rather someone like Kewell (and to a lesser extend the filthy Diouf) and see them doing a 90 mins walkabout? I remember King Kev was not naturally gifted as well but he improved by working hard on his weaknesses and go on to captain the country and became a legend at this club. To write Mellor off after seeing him for a few matches is premature. He might even be a good foil to our never ending search for a "proven goal scorer" as he is able to hold the ball up and make intelligent runs. I would rather mix guys like him (and Jamie and Stevie) with skillful players like Alonso, Garcia and reliable performers like Hamann and Riise than to start our version of Galacticos.
To sum up, there are worst players currently playing in our starting XI...so give this guy a b1oody break :angry:

If he still don't cut it, it's still not too late to ship him off after the end of the season.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:29 am

Ive always liked this kid and was sorry to see him go on loan to the hammers, had Benitez been with us then things would have been diffrent, but thats hindsight.
He has never been up against the best defenders in the prem, Campbell, Toure, Cole, a very big game for us on sunday against the former champions.
If he looses weight and gets fitter he will bang goals in thats what hes all about, he didnt cost us nothing, he doesnt want to leave he loves anfield.
The biggest dream of his life happened on sunday scoring infront of the kop.
He will be fighting to keep his place knowing that the transfer window will be open in a month dreading getting sold or shipped out.
Steve Highway has said he is a goal machine thats all he does is score.
Well so what goals win you games and with the right supply to him he will bang them in, once he gets a few games under his belt.
Bet he cant believe his luck that the we have 2 strikers injured and hes getting his chance to fullfill his dream.
Im not saying hes world class he will never be that, And I know we have no other option than to play him, but I think he will do the job for us till we get Baros back and another striker come january.
And if we stay in all these cup games we do need him, we cant be playing Baros and who ever they will be burnt out.
I would keep him till the end of the season then make judgement on him.

by **fivecups** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:36 am

stu_the_red wrote:Mellor for England?

The three finalists for Fifa's World Player of Year award have just be announced. Do you think they could squeeze in a fourth?

Seriously though. Well said Lyndsey, love your positive attitude. Im happy to watch him to the end of the season and then decide.

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:14 am

i think some have been unfair in the criticism of the criticism !!! if you know what i mean !!

Mick's criticisms in my eyes are totally reasonable. i think we can all agree on the fact that Mellor is all we have until the others get fit, and he has agreed about that. some of you said he's missing the point, and that thats all you're saying. but thats not all you's were saying. some on here (admittedly not you JBG) are definately stating that he can get better etc, score goals till the others come in, ans some are saying that you's will give him time before you judge him.

sorry but i'm with Mick on this one. yes he's all we;ve got, he can hold the line ok, and he may bag a few goals, but he'll never make the grade and STU come on la' you know better than that. he can be coached etc but by now if he hasnt got what it takes it would take an awful lot of coaching!! yes he would improve if the best coaches trained with him everyday for a year, but so would anyone!!! coaches cant take that sort of time out with one player just to improve him. if he's not already at a good standard its just simple as that. if you've got a great player who's lost form then maybe you can afford to single them out for specialist coaching to get them back, but i doubt all this time and effort will be spent on Neil Mellor who hasnt proved much yet (no not even with statistics).

by **bigmick** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:34 am

Cheers jim, finally someone who actually reads what was posted. When people say "he's all we've got, he can do a job till January" etc well theres no argument. Clearly he is, and clearly he can, simply 'cos he'll have to.
Those who can be bothered though to go back right to the first post on the thread, will see that Stu began by comparing Mellors start with Owen and Cisse in terms of goals scored. In fairness he then said there was no comparison between them as players, I and one or two others were simply making the point that we think its unfortunate that Mellor is our only option as he's not really up to it. Coach him every day until the year 2012 and you won't make a Premiership striker out of him in my view. I would still take the 500k Sheffield United offered for him come January if we can bring a couple on board.
Too many on here take things too personally. Its all about opinions in the end. Thats mine, if I'm wrong it defo' won't be the first time this week but there you go.
One last thing. To those who say , "give him time FFS" and "what a start. He could make a player", I say this. If it wasn't for the window system would you say lets stick with Mellor or would you want to buy someone? Even if Baros was still fit, would you say "we don't need back-up, we've got Mellor" or would you want to buy someone? One great goal does not a striker make.

by **taff** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:40 pm

I dont think he is good enough but will always thank him for sundays goal

were all desperate to have another Owen or Fowler come from the academy but just because he is in the squad does not mean he is good enough for the squad

I dont listen to Stus stats he uses them for players he likes but ignores them for those he doesnt like

If we bought Mellor last season would everyone be pleased or would he be another Houllier blunder. i think we have a few players who will do for now that Rafa in time will replace and I think Mellor will be one of these

by **JohnBull** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:10 pm

The successes that Mellor's had have been as a result of him not having time to think. Over the past forty odd years we've had loads of instinctive strikers who have done the business when they've not had time to think and I think Mellor is one of those.
Not the prettiest on the ball but the only player we've got who could have lead the line like he did against Arsenal (Baros certainly couldn't have done the 90 minute job).
Sometimes you've got to look past the weakenesses and appreciate the strengths in some players and young Mellor deserves to be encouraged to play the natural game he plays in the reserves where the pressure isn't on him.
He's no Fowler or Owen or Rush but he does remind me of the Hunts,Aldridges,Hatelys or Toshacks of this game, who all took stick from the crowd for similar reasons but who all came good in the end.

(I was going to include Alf Arrowsmith in that list 'cause I thought he was great and everyone hated him but he's score with his backside if need be,)

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:29 pm

i think its unfair to say Baros wouldnt have done the job. if its workrate you're suggesting then thats definitely wrong. Baros works his ar*e off a when he plays and everyone knows this. his stamina levels astound me at times. if its goals or chances you're talking about, then who knows, maybe Baros would have scored earlier on? we just dont know. but i'm sure Baros wouldnt have done a BAD job on Sunday.

by **JohnBull** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:31 pm

The game plan needed a control and disipline that's just not part of Baros' game.
The lad is 100% but never a lone striker.

by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:50 pm

i suppose you're right, but maybe the game plan was worked out using the players that were available. we could have used a similar gameplan if Baros was fit and still won. otherwise we'd be saying that even if Baros was fit we'd have still played Mellor, which i think is unlikely.

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