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by **115-1073096938** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 1:01 pm

Just want to ask why everyone is so pessimistic and negative on this board.

I joined here the other day as i was "regretfully" banned from LFC online for going ott with one of my arguments, but all i've seen so far is negative posts.

While i can't stand blind faith and optimism, i also by the same token can't stand blind bashing and doom merchants... both lack football knowledge. and at the end of it all it just makes people look silly.

So can someone please explain the horrible negative atmosphere (not to other members as it seems pleasant enough

so far) towards my one and only Love (LFC incase your wondering)?

by **supersub** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:03 pm

I am not a pessimist but I can see a very good squad of players who have as much ability as any team in the premiership but lack any self belief.I certainly don't think GH is good enough to take my Liverpool any further,but I'm sure there is a leader somewhere who can.

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:05 pm

mate let me tell u i look at the mancs and i see liverpool of old we used to win all the time playing good or bad we would win the game that is y we were the best and now to see use play so badly and lose to teams that we should never lose against hurts and i mean it hurts me LIVERPOOL are the best english football team ever so if u dont see or understand y some of us reds r unhappy then go and watch a liverpool game of the 70s 80s and ask urself why we cant play like that any more:(

by **supersub** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:08 pm

Stu_the_red if you have a belief in GH's ability to lead the team back to challenge for the title then tells what you can see.

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:14 pm

GH has had his time we should move on???

by **mistyred** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:23 pm

Look mate haven't you seen enough??? BBC1 or live at the match makes no difference it's there for everyone to see.....
Can't help feeling like a greek tragedy.

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:25 pm

well me 4 one has had it we r rubbish???

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:31 pm

1.0 well we r still playing like old farts

by **azriahmad** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:59 pm

Homeleighkop, we have been playing like old farts for sometime now, especially if you compare to the days of the 70s and 80s. During Paisley's time, his Liverpool team do not play with individual brilliance. The team have excellent players who play a simple but effective passing game. Come Dalglish's time, Liverpool has added some flair but the basic passing game is still there.
Under kermit, we can't pass properly anymore!

by **115-1073096938** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:25 pm

Firstly...when Houllier first came in he signed alot of good players and rebuilt a pathetically weak squad and turned them into title challengers and cup winners.

We got 80 points in the league in a season and it wasn't fluke. It was down to solid tactics and playing to our strengths but that wasn't enough for some people. We still had the mindless minority morons sshouting how it wasn't good football. We played deep to protect the lack of athletisism in the back line and maximise the athletisism of Gerrard, Owen and Heskey. Yet people were moaning because we weren't pretty. Well i got news for yer people... good football is WINNING football. end of.

For f##ks sake can you not see the injuries we've had this season? Hamann, Owen, Gerrard, Kewell, Baros, Carragher, Henchoz, Finnan, Kirkland, Dudek, Riise and Murphy... ALL OF WHICH are first team regulars.

Are you telling me when we eventually get everyone back and fit we're going to be playing at the same standard? If you are you're deluding yourself with hatred for the club, management and players.

I'm not being funny but like i've said in another post... there has been 2 f##kin games this season... YES THATS RIGHT!!! 2 GAMES were we have been missing only 2 first teamers... EVERY OTHER f##king MATCH!!! YES AGAIN!!! EVERY OTHER MATCH... we have been missing... make sure you read this next part as it forms the basis of my argument... 4 FIRST TEAM PLAYERS WHO ARE CERTAIN STARTERS WHEN FIT!!!! EVERY f##king MATCH!!! and on most of those occasions AT LEAST... YES AT LEAST its included at least 2 of our top players either it being Hamann, Gerrard, Owen, Kewell, Finnan, Carragher, Hyypia Kirlkland have been amougnst those injured.

Once everyone is fit players like Riise, Biscan't, Heskey, Smicer, Diouf, Pongolle won't be relied upon so the performances are going to improve.

by **azriahmad** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:03 pm

Hey stu_the_red, if we want to be big time winners, then we have to play winning football. I hate to say this but Man U is the present master of this, just like Liverpool were in the mid-70s right through the 80s. I don't know if you are ole enough or have seen archives of the games during these period.
Arsenal presently play champagne football but this year they seem to have added more steel to their game and are willing to graft very hard to get results while playing attractive football at the same time. Today, these 2 teams are the benchmark of the Premiership because they can grind results even while playing badly - Liverpool used to be able to do that and that's why we were so dominant during our golden era. Believe me when I say that we have lost that ability. What the others are saying is that we do not seem to be able to regain that ability, what you called "WINNING football" anytime soon under Houllier regardless of the full number of regulars being available. This is not merely pessimistic, these are genuinely frustrated Liverpool fans voicing out their opinions and frustrations.
We have lost some of our first team players who are key players. However, this is not the sole reason. Arsenal have been without Viera for a very long time but they managed to cope well. Man U have been without Keane and Scholes and Solskjaer for sometime and still coped well. When Van Nistelroy had a lean spell, others came good - their other forwards or midfielders would score and win the match for them.
We have been too reliant on a few players and have somehow rigidly built our team around our few best players that our game becomes so utterly predictable and we can't cope if these players are injured or out of form. In short, we lack true depth in spite of the large squad. What the hell has Houllier been doing after spending so much money over the past 5 years?
When we won the treble in 2001, probably everything clicked just right then. However, did you notive how Liverpool laboured to get wins (remember the Alaves game in the UEFA final?) and was plagued by inconsistency as we had the measure of Man U (beat them home and away, if I am not mistaken) but somehow lose against the small teams like the Charltons and the Ipswichs when Man U or Arsenal would have picked up easy wins. During that season, Liverpool never had any serious injury problems.
Houllier has been good for the cup wins, no more, no less. He is not good enough to take us to the championship and this is a fact. Under Houllier, Liverpool has been playing the same kind of football. The digfference was that in 2001 and 2002, Liverpool's defence was the best but now it is not. However, we never scored enough goals, if you don't believe me, go and compare our tally for each season and compare to the champion of each year. This is our style and it seems will always be under Houllier. Owen is world-class, no doubt. But it is only him who can score some 20 league goals a season. Other players in the squad scored less than 12 or 13 in the whole season. This is not a championship team...too one dimensional and overly reliant on people like Owen, Gerrard and now Kewell.
I still say that Houllier must go, 4th place finish or not!

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:16 pm

sorry but i will remind u of that when we fail to get 4th place a squad member should b good enough to take up that place we have the biggest squad in the leaque but outside the team 11 they r cxxp and not all those players have been out at the same time and we still played bad or just lost with no effort im a season tic holder and i hate 2 go 300 miles to c my team lose to the likes of southampton.We need to start again a new manager with new ideas

by **HOMELEIGHKOP** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:24 pm

boys look man u took our way of playing and made it work at man u he has only once ever said it but he did " I TOOK THE WAY THAT THE PAST LIVERPOOL AND HOLLAND PLAYED AND MADE IT WORK AT OLD TWATFORD" (sorry thats what we call it down hear) it hurts to playing so badly

by **azriahmad** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:34 pm

Homeleighkop, I sympathise with you for having to endure the present on-going cr@p live after having to travel 300 miles every time...
I am frustrated also, but at least I only watch the live telecast at best. My sister is now working in Manchester at UMIST for at least another 2 years. Perhaps I can go to England sometime in the future and visit Anfield. Last time I was in England was in 1988 to 1993 but I wan in London all the time.

"You will never walk alone."

by **115-1073096938** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:16 pm

What you seem to forget is that the season before last we finished the season with 80... YES THATS RIGHT 80... again once more.... 80 points.

The manager that season was also missing for 50% of that season. Had he been there who knows? we still have the same players, we still have the same manager, ok we lack Anelka but hopefully Cisse will be an adequate replacement. We also have Harry Kewell now which was the main critisism of that side.

The main problem has been the injuries since then and being unable to field a consistent side. Yes i agree we do rely on certain players ALOT and yes the tactics make it difficult to chop and change but the fact of the matter is the game has changed since the 80's. We are no longer the dominant force and we have to earn that tag back which we aren't going to do by chopping and changing when a manager is half way through doing his job.

George Graham was doing a brilliant job at spurs before they sacked him. He had a system and was starting to mould young players like Keane, Etherington, Davies, King and Carr into that system yet he didn't have the backing.

I can't believe you people want our club to be another spurs... i'm hopefull our chairman and board have alot more vision, football knowledge and patience than some of my teams "supporters".

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