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With only 3 MF's playing in most games will eventually lead to them getting over run by teams playing 5 in the middle and with teams catching on how to set up against it.

Since we have a wealth of CB's i would like to see the manager changing the system and play 343 in maybe training and cup games in order to make it a plan B when needed for games like last night. One more body in the middle would stop us being over run.

For me, some of our key players look tired, mentally. Gerrard in particular never gets a break. England captain, injuries and rehabilitations. We're still top and undefeated, so the lads are doing something right! I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

If we created and scored more goals whilst dominating, we'd not be sh*tting our pants later. We need more goals. We're walking a tightrope most of the time and it makes us panic. That always gives teams like Swansea fuel.

in games like last night when his passing isnt on song gerrard becomes a passenger, in a 3 man midfield that has the same effect as going down to 10 men.

For me this is a key area to be looked in the Jan window. The manager addressed our defensive issues in the summer so here's hoping he focuses his attention on a another creative MF and another wide man.

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm wrote: I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

Thats a shocking statement. We're lacking creativety and someone who can pick a pass and you're saying you'd think about dropping one of our best players who's strengths are exactly that?

Coutinho hasn't played briliantly, but he's still been one of our better players. The lad can see a ball and moves. Its no conincidence that as soon as he went off against Swansea and they brought on De Guzman the game completely changed.

StuYesThatStu » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:04 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm wrote: I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

Thats a shocking statement. We're lacking creativety and someone who can pick a pass and you're saying you'd think about dropping one of our best players who's strengths are exactly that?

Coutinho hasn't played briliantly, but he's still been one of our better players. The lad can see a ball and moves. Its no conincidence that as soon as he went off against Swansea and they brought on De Guzman the game completely changed.

Of course the game changed. Our plan was to play through PC. Once he came off we had no plan B. The fact that you already see him as essential and unable to be rotated highlights such pressure. He's young and still learning and sometimes coming from the bench can release a player of restraints, having positive knock on effects for the team.

Glad my statement shocked you

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:25 pm wrote:

StuYesThatStu » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:04 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm wrote: I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

Thats a shocking statement. We're lacking creativety and someone who can pick a pass and you're saying you'd think about dropping one of our best players who's strengths are exactly that?

Coutinho hasn't played briliantly, but he's still been one of our better players. The lad can see a ball and moves. Its no conincidence that as soon as he went off against Swansea and they brought on De Guzman the game completely changed.

Of course the game changed. Our plan was to play through PC. Once he came off we had no plan B. The fact that you already see him as essential and unable to be rotated highlights such pressure. He's young and still learning and sometimes coming from the bench can release a player of restraints, having positive knock on effects for the team.

Glad my statement shocked you

I got slagged off the other day for saying imagine losing Gerrard, Coutinho and Suarez, how do you think we'd cope.

Well without Coutinho and Suarez last night we seen just how we would cope.

The point being that the rest of the side just aren't upto it. Agger and Enrique are good players but they aren't match winners. The rest, including Sturridge are not good enough in my opinion.

I never slagged you off. I thought you were daydreaming about things that ain't, and things that could not be. It seemed irrelevant. You asked where we'd be without our three best players over the course of the season. I'm stating that we could possibly gain from trying a new tactic.

At the moment we look one dimensional. If we can't go through PC, we're stuck for ideas. Adapting another idea seems sensible. Teams stifle Couthino and batter him. A rest, bringing him on later would give a new dimension and maybe liven things up later.

I'm not suggesting we drop him. But we seriously need another option. Our second half performances are predictable, and frankly extremely difficult to watch.

The reason the second half performances are poor is simple.

A Lack of quality players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63WojjZy7QE

Find someone like that

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:49 pm wrote:

I'm not suggesting we drop him. But we seriously need another option. Our second half performances are predictable, and frankly extremely difficult to watch.

better use of the squad is needed especially seen as we look about to drop mid-way through the second half. fresh legs and fresh ideas is what we are lacking during those periods.
it all comes down to quality though doesn't it. coutinho is so influential for us and there is no one on the bench that can replace him. alberto hopefully can provide adequate cover but i dont think rodgers feel's that comfortable letting him loose yet.
still cant believe we didnt pursue erikssen    he would have been ideal for us

StuYesThatStu » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:04 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm wrote: I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

Thats a shocking statement. We're lacking creativety and someone who can pick a pass and you're saying you'd think about dropping one of our best players who's strengths are exactly that?

Coutinho hasn't played briliantly, but he's still been one of our better players.

But Coutinho hasn't done anything notable this season in 4 games; hasn't scored, hasn't created any goalscoring opportunites,put anyone in on goal, hasn't dribbled very well to beat players (V Man Utd he was unable to beat anyone),
So how has he been one of our better players? (without insulting me)

Hustler 2 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:31 pm wrote:

StuYesThatStu » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:04 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm wrote: I'd consider placing Couthino on the bench for a game or two to take some pressure off, though Suarez' return may have the same effect. He needs space to work and without Luis, he's not getting a lot.

Henderson is a real hard worker and worth his place in the team, but he seems to lack creativity and guile. I think there lies our problem...lack of creativity.

Thats a shocking statement. We're lacking creativety and someone who can pick a pass and you're saying you'd think about dropping one of our best players who's strengths are exactly that?

Coutinho hasn't played briliantly, but he's still been one of our better players.

But Coutinho hasn't done anything notable this season in 4 games; hasn't scored, hasn't created any goalscoring opportunites,put anyone in on goal, hasn't dribbled very well to beat players (V Man Utd he was unable to beat anyone),
So how has he been one of our better players? (without insulting me)

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StuYesThatStu » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:33 pm wrote:DDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH

You see, you act like a immature kid. No argument pal, you know i'm right.

Hustler, you're aware that there's usually an opposition team playing against us, right? For each of our players, there's an opposite number. This includes Couthino. Because he's on the pitch dosen't mean he automatically scores, or gets assists. He's still learning. He needs to figure out how to get more space. His team needs to help him more. The opposition needs to stop tackling him and stuff.

Widen your view.