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by **metalhead** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:56 pm

Kash_Mountain » Mon May 28, 2012 4:50 pm wrote:
metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 4:41 pm wrote:It's going to be Martinez not Klopp unfortunately

MH, how sure of this are you?, I mean, there are so many twists and turns with the things that are going right now, it's driving me bonkers. I'm think that there may be a surprise in store (just a feeling).

mate I'm going crazy.. I'm just putting my hunch using the various articles today, SSN just reported more talks with Martinez tomorrow and decision imminent. It looks like he is #1 priority for FSG, so unless he rejects us he will be our next manager.

just a hunch

by **metalhead** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:59 pm

This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Here's what we know, we've told you before how and why we know. Just believe us: LFC are NOT talking to Brendan Rodgers OR Jurgen Klopp
This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Hearing the Martinez deal is very much still on. He has been the top and priority target for FSG from the start. Rodgers NOT in the frame.
This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Roberto Martinez could conclude #LFC deal tomorrow. Rodgers and Klopp are not in running, as reported widely several times.

by **supersub** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:14 pm

Rafa Benitez still has not had a phone call...he told the ice cream sales girl yesterday in West Kirby...to quote his exact words " I am still waiting for a phone call "

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:25 pm

reading tonights echo i`d say it is going to be martinez, no one else really gets a mention.
not the most exciting candidate, infact everything about the club is a bit uninspiring at the moment.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:33 pm

supersub » Mon May 28, 2012 5:14 pm wrote:Rafa Benitez still has not had a phone call...he told the ice cream sales girl yesterday in West Kirby...to quote his exact words " I am still waiting for a phone call "

shows you the ambition of this club when a champions league winner doesnt get a phone call but a relegation dodger does.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:35 pm

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 4:59 pm wrote:This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Here's what we know, we've told you before how and why we know. Just believe us: LFC are NOT talking to Brendan Rodgers OR Jurgen Klopp
This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Hearing the Martinez deal is very much still on. He has been the top and priority target for FSG from the start. Rodgers NOT in the frame.
This Is Anfield‏@thisisanfield
Roberto Martinez could conclude #LFC deal tomorrow. Rodgers and Klopp are not in running, as reported widely several times.

thought those klopp rumours sounded too good to be true

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm

I think everyone is feeling slightly underwhelmed by the apparent indecision of the candidates ,I mean just when exactly did managing
Liverpool slip out of the running for one of the most coveted jobs in football ?

by **supersub** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:50 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm wrote:I think everyone is feeling slightly underwhelmed by the apparent indecision of the candidates ,I mean just when exactly did managing
Liverpool slip out of the running for one of the most coveted jobs in football ?

When any prospective managers realised they would have to work with a very limited budget.......

by **andy_g** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:56 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm wrote:I think everyone is feeling slightly underwhelmed by the apparent indecision of the candidates ,I mean just when exactly did managing
Liverpool slip out of the running for one of the most coveted jobs in football ?

on the one hand i think its ok that its taking time. for all we know one or two have said they'd like the job but FSG are having a good look at as many candidates as they can before deciding. the football media is notorious for not really knowing whats going on so we shouldn't really pay too much attention to what we are hearing from that direction.

on the other hand though, its probably not such as attractive proposition right now as it was even 3 or 4 seasons ago. we've been 3 years out of the champions league now, and are in danger of consolidating ourselves as a mid table side. we haven't got the most amazing squad to work with and we know we can't attract the top talent right now even if we had the dosh. the owners are trying to establish a management structure that many might not feel comfortable with. the club has very demanding fans that will take bad results very badly.

its a very high pressure job under quite tricky circumstances, which is probably why AVB decided he just couldn't risk his career on it after what happened at chelsea. 'smaller club' candidates such as rodgers and martinez are in nice comfy positions where they can keep grafting away without too much pressure while they establish themselves. people like klopp and deschamps are never going to leave the nicely performing CL teams they are currently managing.

and FSG don't want rafa.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:24 pm

friendlyguy33 » Sun May 27, 2012 9:01 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Sun May 27, 2012 7:30 pm wrote:Where has this information about a press conference come from ?

The press and various news outlets. There's something curious about the timing of Tuesday and the fact that Whelan has said he wants an answer one way or the other from Martinez by Thursday. Could it be that FSG have issued their own ultimatum to Martinez and that even if doesn't get the Liverpool job or DOF at Anfield he'll walk away from Wigan anyway?

@thisisanfield: No, Martinez isn't having a press conference at Wigan tomorrow. That was a made up rumour by someone.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:31 pm

andy_g » Mon May 28, 2012 5:56 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm wrote:I think everyone is feeling slightly underwhelmed by the apparent indecision of the candidates ,I mean just when exactly did managing
Liverpool slip out of the running for one of the most coveted jobs in football ?

on the one hand i think its ok that its taking time. for all we know one or two have said they'd like the job but FSG are having a good look at as many candidates as they can before deciding. the football media is notorious for not really knowing whats going on so we shouldn't really pay too much attention to what we are hearing from that direction.

on the other hand though, its probably not such as attractive proposition right now as it was even 3 or 4 seasons ago. we've been 3 years out of the champions league now, and are in danger of consolidating ourselves as a mid table side. we haven't got the most amazing squad to work with and we know we can't attract the top talent right now even if we had the dosh. the owners are trying to establish a management structure that many might not feel comfortable with. the club has very demanding fans that will take bad results very badly.

its a very high pressure job under quite tricky circumstances, which is probably why AVB decided he just couldn't risk his career on it after what happened at chelsea. 'smaller club' candidates such as rodgers and martinez are in nice comfy positions where they can keep grafting away without too much pressure while they establish themselves. people like klopp and deschamps are never going to leave the nicely performing CL teams they are currently managing.

and FSG don't want rafa.

You raise some very good points Andy ,but surely these managers who are deliberating over accepting one of the more notable jobs in football are not the type of managers we need at our club . We need someone who will not think twice of taking the role ,someone who will have the team playing for the fans and not
the owners ..... I know its a huge ask mate ,but somewhere out there will be a genuine candidate who deserves the job because his sole remit will simply be he loves football .

I'm starting to genuinely believe that man is Martinez ,after all we only have the media's word for it that he's contemplating his decision.

by **mart** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:33 pm

supersub » Mon May 28, 2012 5:50 pm wrote:When any prospective managers realised they would have to work with a very limited budget.......

The budget they get will be pretty big. Its probably got more to do with the uncertainties surrounding our new management structure. How much actual power will they have and who will be the DOF's they have to work with? FSG's plans for the club isnt exactly clear. I can understand why the top managers with high ambitions will stay away from liverpool for now.

by **red till i die!!** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 pm

tbh i really doubt fsg were looking or even considering anyone else other than martinez.
despite what the media think they know fsg have made him an offer and he has till tomorrow to decide.i know it came from dave whelan through ssn but he's told it as it is imo and now we wait till we see whether he takes it or not.
if he refuses it then fsg go back to square one and approach someone else.id be worried if he does refuse it as to what his reasons are for doing so.
without the cl they will not invest serious money and i doubt we will return to that next season.i do believe they want cl football for us but arent too bothered if it takes 5 years for martinez to achieve this and will fund the process through high profile player sales till it happens.
if martinez gets it and guides us to 15th next season they wont remove him and will opt to continue supporting his rebuild as they will have egg all over their mushes seen as they bent over backwards to get him.
either they will tell us tomorrow or dave whelan will so at least we are close to being put out of our misery

by **roberto green** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:45 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 28, 2012 6:31 pm wrote:
andy_g » Mon May 28, 2012 5:56 pm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm wrote:I think everyone is feeling slightly underwhelmed by the apparent indecision of the candidates ,I mean just when exactly did managing
Liverpool slip out of the running for one of the most coveted jobs in football ?

on the one hand i think its ok that its taking time. for all we know one or two have said they'd like the job but FSG are having a good look at as many candidates as they can before deciding. the football media is notorious for not really knowing whats going on so we shouldn't really pay too much attention to what we are hearing from that direction.

on the other hand though, its probably not such as attractive proposition right now as it was even 3 or 4 seasons ago. we've been 3 years out of the champions league now, and are in danger of consolidating ourselves as a mid table side. we haven't got the most amazing squad to work with and we know we can't attract the top talent right now even if we had
the dosh. the owners are trying to establish a management structure that many might not feel comfortable with. the club has very demanding fans that will take bad results very badly.

I think Martinez or any of the other millions of candidates are only thinking twice because they won't have full control with the likely hood of a sporting director/dof above them pulling the strings, Luis van gaal would be a huge mistake if you ask me,it will be like Evans/Houllier all over again then Van Gaal will get the job mid term when things aren't working out for Martinez etc

its a very high pressure job under quite tricky circumstances, which is probably why AVB decided he just couldn't risk his career on it after what happened at chelsea. 'smaller club' candidates such as rodgers and martinez are in nice comfy positions where they can keep grafting away without too much pressure while they establish themselves. people like klopp and deschamps are never going to leave the nicely performing CL teams they are currently managing.

and FSG don't want rafa.

You raise some very good points Andy ,but surely these managers who are deliberating over accepting one of the more notable jobs in football are not the type of managers we need at our club . We need someone who will not think twice of taking the role ,someone who will have the team playing for the fans and not
the owners ..... I know its a huge ask mate ,but somewhere out there will be a genuine candidate who deserves the job because his sole remit will simply be he loves football .

I'm starting to genuinely believe that man is Martinez ,after all we only have the media's word for it that he's contemplating his decision.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:45 pm

Ive been thinking about this all weekend. So much so that I stayed off the internet and didnt watch SSN at all yesterday
I think Im coming to the conclusion that Martinez should be the next manager. I know I said "No Way!" a couple of weeks ago but it is starting to make more sense to me now

Cons:
1. Hes young and has no experience with big clubs
2. He has not won major honours or had great expectations placed on him
3. He will probably be overawed and hesitant
4. Hes a bottom part of the league manager who has only worked with such players
5. He will be a yes man because of the above
6. Hes not Rafa

Pros:
1. Hes passionate, honest, well liked and keen
2. Hes bright, intelligent and media savvy
3. Hes been in the premiership long enough to know how it works and what we crave for
4. He knows how to motivate players and get the best out of them
5. He prefers attacking, flowing football
6. Hes not Rafa

I know it looks like a step down but we need fresh new ideas and someone who can man manage. KK did his job and set the foundations. Rafa has too much baggage. The others are not going to come here under these circumstances, so Martinez is the best of the rest.
With 100% suport from the fans, the owners and the players he could be a breath of fresh air and bring a much needed change in fortune that we need.
:nod

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