Liverpool FC Forum

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 11:47 am wrote:

               the league position means nothing in the short term, when united finished 11th and 13th under ferguson where they a mid table club?                   

"Different game back then mate"

nice soundbyte mate but you know it`s true, if you think we are a mid table club then thats up to you, we have never finished halfway in the league since we came up in the early 60`s, infact this is the lowest we have finished in half a century but dont let that stop you putting the boot into the club.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 11:57 am wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 11:47 am wrote:

               the league position means nothing in the short term, when united finished 11th and 13th under ferguson where they a mid table club?                   

"Different game back then mate"

nice soundbyte mate but you know it`s true, if you think we are a mid table club then thats up to you, we have never finished halfway in the league since we came up in the early 60`s, infact this is the lowest we have finished in half a century but dont let that stop you putting the boot into the club.

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 11:57 am wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 11:47 am wrote:

               the league position means nothing in the short term, when united finished 11th and 13th under ferguson where they a mid table club?                   

"Different game back then mate"

nice soundbyte mate but you know it`s true, if you think we are a mid table club then thats up to you, we have never finished halfway in the league since we came up in the early 60`s, infact this is the lowest we have finished in half a century but dont let that stop you putting the boot into the club.

We're not a middle table club - in 2009 we had 85 points and should have won the league. With the right manager, a few additions and an upswing in form we can get back to competing for CL spots.

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 1:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

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we are liverpool loud and proud .

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

yeah baby

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

You've highlighted that we have been a very good cup team over the last decade - losing perspective on the 'bread n butter'.

I haven't stated this is a "mid-table club", more so perhaps a 'mid-table team', league positions don't lie do they?

DISCLAIMER: I didn't want Dalglish sacked, on the contrary in fact.

If, as you say this isn't a 'mid-table club' then how does all your propaganda and scaremongering about FSG, weigh up against that statement, i.e. Are they going to make us a mid-table club? Forgive me for thinking this, but the way you're going on about them says to me, that you think they will indeed make us a mid-table club while looking to make a quick buck from us - how that works, I'm not so sure.

Instinctively, I had severe reservations about FSG's methods/agenda like you obviously have, especially since sacking Kenny. BUT, your posts are scattered everywhere on here, pushing the notion onto others that you are very much a traditionalist in everything you say and do re LFC, not that this is necessarily a bad thing mind, but amidst all your rhetoric, you've put me off my initial instincts re FSG and LFC a tad. And I'm now pondering the thought that it is because of people like you, that  this club hasn't 'caught up with the 8-ball' in recent times, thinking you're (and like minded persons) part of the problem as much as FSG in all of this.

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 1:06 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

You've highlighted that we have been a very good cup team over the last decade - losing perspective on the 'bread n butter'.

I haven't stated this is a "mid-table club", more so perhaps a 'mid-table team', league positions don't lie do they?

DISCLAIMER: I didn't want Dalglish sacked, on the contrary in fact.

If, as you say this isn't a 'mid-table club' then how does all your propaganda and scaremongering about FSG, weigh up against that statement, i.e. Are they going to make us a mid-table club? Forgive me for thinking this, but the way you're going on about them says to me, that you think they will indeed make us a mid-table club while looking to make a quick buck from us - how that works, I'm not so sure.

Instinctively, I had severe reservations about FSG's methods/agenda like you obviously have, especially since sacking Kenny. BUT, your posts are scattered everywhere on here, pushing the notion onto others that you are very much a traditionalist in everything you say and do re LFC, not that this is necessarily a bad thing mind, but amidst all your rhetoric, you've put me off my initial instincts re FSG and LFC a tad. And I'm now pondering the thought that it is because of people like you, that  this club hasn't 'caught up with the 8-ball' in recent times, thinking you're (and like minded persons) part of the problem as much as FSG in all of this.

i`m not anti - FSG mate, to me something more important than who the manager is or even more important than if we go down a division is the stadium issue, if we went down a division we`d rise again, if we end up a `mid table` club for a couple of decades because rich yanks, russians and arabs want to turn the premier league into their playground then that is not a problem in the long term, this is a big city (3rd biggest in england) and a football mad city so when they have all got bored of footy and leave or the money runs out we would be back.
as bill shankly said when we were in the second division we were a sleeping giant, we had bigger crowds then than we do now.
we wont be back if we are not the same club though, if this club moves away from anfield it will not be LFC.
i cant express my thanks enough to FSG in the way they have not just bowed to the pressure from the press and some sections of our fanbase and rushed into a new stadium. about a year ago tom werner gave an interview from fenway park and he spoke about what fenway park meant not to the boston baseball team or american sport but american culture, he said anfield was the same and they want to stay at anfield. he said obviously if it`s impossible to redevelop they might have to move but all their efforts were going into try to redevelop the stadium.
that to me is the biggest issue surrounding the club and they have got it right.
now on the other hand i have no illusions why they are over here, they are over here to make money, i`m not bothered if they do that infact i hope they do but i want them to make money without ruining the game or the club.
they have been here 18 months and already they have commented about that ridiculous game 39 idea and now they are saying the f.a cup and carling cups basically mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. they brought in the first DoF in our 120 year history and that didnt work out. they sacked a manager that yes, underperformed in the league but did get us to 2 cup finals and had a lot of bad luck, injuries and new players. they oversaw probably the biggest PR disaster in the history of the game, certainly in my lifetime anyway and now the search for a new manager is turning into a bit of a media circus too.
it`s not all bad but it`s not all good too.

Fabio Capello not on Liverpool FC shortlist for new Reds manager

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/23/fabio-capello-not-on-liverpool-fc-shortlist-for-new-reds-manager-100252-31026157/

The former England boss has been tipped as a possible successor to Kenny Dalglish but reports suggesting Fenway Sports Group have been in contact with the experienced Italian are wide of the mark.

The ECHO understands Capello is not on the owners’ list of candidates and FSG have no intention of making an approach to discuss the role with him.

The 65-year-old’s agent has been keen to press his claims for the Anfield job but FSG’s attention is focused elsewhere.

Wigan’s Roberto Martinez, who is currently on holiday in Barbados, is expected to meet the owners for talks over the next 48 hours.

Ex-Chelsea boss Andre Villa-Boas is firmly in contention, while it has emerged that Swansea City’s Brendan Rodgers hasn’t been ruled out.

Last week Rodgers publicly rejected the chance to hold talks with Liverpool after realising FSG planned to speak to around a dozen candidates.

However, the Northern Irishman could yet make the owners’ short-list and a second request to speak to him later on in the process is likely to yield a more positive answer.

FSG have distanced themselves from speculation linking them with a move for Didier Deschamps.

It has been reported that Marseille boss Deschamps spurned the Reds’ advances when he declared he intends to remain with the French club.
But the ECHO understands Deschamps’ agent approached Liverpool at the start of the search for Dalglish’s successor last week and was told there was no interest in speaking to the former Juventus midfielder.

There is no truth in reports that Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has become a contender to take over at Anfield.

Reds officials were left baffled by claims emanating from the capital that they are keen to speak to the 65-year-old.

Redknapp, who is currently seeking an extension to his Spurs contract which only has one year remaining, is not being considered by FSG.

As well as their search for a new boss, Liverpool's owners are also looking to appoint the club's first sporting  director to work in a new structure at Anfield.

One of the candidates for that role is Dutchman Louis van Gaal. The 60-year-old former Barcelona chief has been out of management since leaving Bayern Munich in April 2011.

Van Gaal boasts an impressive CV having won titles with Ajax, Barcelona, AZ Alkmaar and Bayern Munich. He also led Ajax to Champions League glory in 1995.

Van Gaal has been discussed as a potential Liverpool manager but he’s more suited to the role of sporting director.

That would fit FSG’s vision of having an experienced figurehead with a younger manager working under him.


Its Martinez people ,the rest of the candidates have just been thrown in to retain our interest,God help us .
We should have just opted for Mick McCarthy if this whole dramatic and long drawn out search was just about
finding a manager who regularly avoids relegation .....

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

Again you gaze fondly at the past, focus on the present please, specifically the last 2 seasons which has seen us tumbling down the league into midtable obscurity. We really really need to be challenging for 4th next season.

get van gaal in as manager, let him sort out the club for 3 or 4 years then move him upstairs, in the meantime bring a number 2 through working closely with van gaal studying his his methods and style, when van gaal moves upstairs to take up the DoF position his number 2 can take over.
by then the number 2 is used to van gaal being a loon and he is used to working under him so there`s less chance of a bust up.
that number 2 might even be a job for carragher or gerrard.

heimdall » Wed May 23, 2012 2:46 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed May 23, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:

I actually think it's much harder to get back into the "top 4" at least than it was back in the 'history days'. Hence the reason I quoted YOU by saying it's a 'different game back then'. Today, time, patience & money don't afford managers to 'work it out', see Dalglish for the time, or lack of rather he got to achieve his end goal.

Secondly, 7th, 7th & 8th tells us a "sobering" story. It's not about putting the boot in, it's about facing reality mate.

listen mate, since the turn of the millenium just a decade or so ago we have appeared in 2 champions league finals winning one of them, we also appeared in another semi final.
we have won the uefa cup and appeared in another semi final. we have appeared in 3 f.a cup finals winning 2 of them, we have appeared in 4 league cup finals winning 3 of them, we have won the european super cup twice and appeared in the final of the world club championship. we have also finished runner up in the league twice.
most clubs in this country would be very, very proud of that if that was their history over a 100 years, at liverpool football club thats regarded as a decade in the wilderness.
now we might not be winning everything and maybe this club isnt living up to the expectations that you had when you chose to support this club but this club is not a mid table club. that is the reality lad and its about time some of you faced up to it

Again you gaze fondly at the past, focus on the present please, specifically the last 2 seasons which has seen us tumbling down the league into midtable obscurity. We really really need to be challenging for 4th next season.

thats what we`ve won in the past decade!

LFC Transfer Update ‏@TransferUpdate
AVB to set to be announced new LFC manager at the end of this week. [Source Portuguese media]

stmichael » Wed May 23, 2012 2:50 pm wrote:LFC Transfer Update ‏@TransferUpdate
AVB to set to be announced new LFC manager at the end of this week. [Source Portuguese media]

f**k`s sake, just when i was getting my hopes up than van gaal would be our manager.
if they employ van gaal as DoF and AVB as manager i cant see that ending well, i think there will be a clash of personalities there.
the one thing i`d say about AVB is that he has the mindset of a title winning manager, he hasnt managed for long but at porto and chelsea he knew he had to win games and lots of them, it might not have always happened but that was his mindset.
managers like martinez and roy have that lets stay in the division mentality.

http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/05/23/Martinez-locked-in-Reds-talks/gnid-143056/?

Apparently already in Boston holding talks