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Postby heimdall » Tue May 22, 2012 5:19 pm

devaney » Tue May 22, 2012 3:52 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:08 pm wrote:
jacdaniel » Tue May 22, 2012 1:50 pm wrote:the club dont want to even interview him mate
it`s a joke really, he is basically being punished for performing miracles here.
what i want to know is who is advising the club? probably some london consultancy firm full of university educated whoppers who grew up playing tennis and watching the boat race.
i think i`d rather have billy beane back calling the shots.


Do bbwe really know that is true that the club don't want to interview him? Could be just another smoke screen.


Rafa won't get the job


Are you as sure about that as you were of kenny not being sacked? In that case Rafa's a dead cert.  :D
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 5:28 pm

fivecups » Tue May 22, 2012 4:13 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:27 pm wrote:
fivecups » Tue May 22, 2012 2:04 pm wrote:
Capello's 65. We don't need short-termism followed by yet another 5 year plan rebuilding project with a new manager. I don't give a Sh*t if we don't win anything for the next few years, as long as we're laying the foundations for a sustained return to the top level, with stability at ownership, board and manager level - that is what we should be aspiring to. I think the owners know that. Of course the next manager is unlikely to for 15 years (I hope he is though, because it will mean he's successful), and of course I'm not saying he should have a contract for that long, but what is ludicrous is to appoint someone whose going to be here for 2-3 years and then retire. I'm sure you know who last managed us for a 15 year stint?


shankly wouldnt have been in a job for 15 years with these whoppers we have supporting us now mate.
i`m not interested in 5 years plans and laying the foundations and all that orwellian management double speak, i`ve heard it all before, houllier was a master of it. look at our last grand plan, comoli`s appointment as a DoF was supposed to take player recruitment in this country out of the stone age and into the stats age but that `radical new philosophy that will change the face of english football` didnt even last a year.
every club says the same things about putting in place structures and all that malarky, half the time its like listening to tony blair go on about the nhs, you find fans even using blair-ite inspired terms these days, half of them are just sounbytes that sound good but mean f**k all.
if capello can take us forward then i`d have him, if he retires in 4 or 5 years then so be it, the way we are going through managers in the last 2 years 5 years in the managers chair is an eternity.


YC - you can label it political babble or whatever you want, it's just common sense for anyone who wants us back where we should be. Look at most successful clubs, stability and continuity are key. It's either that or sell the club to a sugar-daddy if they can find one, and I for one have no interest in going down that route. I doubt Capello would even stay for five years and if he did, in no time we're back to the same situation we're in now. Absolutely pointless in appointing someone who cannot stay for the long-term and while he's a top quality manager, he's simply too old. We should look at Bielsa.


that bielsa is another flavour of the month job, he sounds a bit off his rocker as well, he does things like pace out the length of the pitch before deciding on his formation and other stuff like that.
bilbao is the first team he`s managed in europe and i`m not sure south american managers find the culture in england an easy one to adapt to.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue May 22, 2012 5:33 pm

Bieslas' Bilbao team ended up 10th in the league
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Postby lakes10 » Tue May 22, 2012 7:02 pm

the way its going woth managers turning us dow the owners could find themselves knocking on kennys door again.
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Postby ICE-MAN » Tue May 22, 2012 7:13 pm

For the record, glad kennys gone - embarrassing in front of the media, gave the ok to sign mediocre players, tactically inept and oldschool, too many excuses for poor performances and awful results! He was unbelievable for this club but football moved on without him!

Now the possibilities:

Rafa - we had a great record under him and he is very tactically astute compared to KD, but would he fall out with the owners again? Would certain players want his cold man management style back at club? He also has zero track record of blooding youngsters at lfc!

Martinez - I was initially against him but read up on some decent research articles on him and he's actually very tactically with it and isn't afraid to embrace new styles! Think he would work excellently with some like txiki bergastan (or however u spell his name) or with the likes of borrell or segura! Spanish flavour suits our club! Could he attract top players and hold a dressing room, I believe he could! Guardiola never managed a top flight club when he took over!

AVB - very clever man but could he learn from mistakes at Chelsea? I would like to think so! But has ge a cold man management style like Rafa?? Lot of Chelsea players whinging about him! I'm undecided about him!

Laudrup - attacking philosophy, big name, but has never spent a great deal of time at any club! Could be gone at first sign of trouble!!

Every candidate is a risk but I'm siding with Martinez andca strong director of football that would assist him consensually!
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue May 22, 2012 7:25 pm

ICE-MAN » Tue May 22, 2012 7:13 pm wrote:For the record, glad kennys gone - embarrassing in front of the media, gave the ok to sign mediocre players, tactically inept and oldschool, too many excuses for poor performances and awful results! He was unbelievable for this club but football moved on without him!

Now the possibilities:

Rafa - we had a great record under him and he is very tactically astute compared to KD, but would he fall out with the owners again? Would certain players want his cold man management style back at club? He also has zero track record of blooding youngsters at lfc!

Martinez - I was initially against him but read up on some decent research articles on him and he's actually very tactically with it and isn't afraid to embrace new styles! Think he would work excellently with some like txiki bergastan (or however u spell his name) or with the likes of borrell or segura! Spanish flavour suits our club! Could he attract top players and hold a dressing room, I believe he could! Guardiola never managed a top flight club when he took over!

AVB - very clever man but could he learn from mistakes at Chelsea? I would like to think so! But has ge a cold man management style like Rafa?? Lot of Chelsea players whinging about him! I'm undecided about him!

Laudrup - attacking philosophy, big name, but has never spent a great deal of time at any club! Could be gone at first sign of trouble!!

Every candidate is a risk but I'm siding with Martinez andca strong director of football that would assist him consensually!


Are you really going to compare the Martinez situation to Guardiola

Martinez is that tactically aware his team from the month of August until Feb/March won a total of 4 games.

Rafa has a track record of blooding youngsters at LFC - Kelly is one that blows that theory right out of the window.

And im glad you are happy Kenny has been sacked - finally one comes out and admits it - lets hope the next step means the desicion is correct - but will look forward to your lack of support for the new manager.
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Postby LFC2007 » Tue May 22, 2012 7:29 pm

My guess is that the owners will steer clear of some of the older candidates like Capello and bring in someone like AVB or Laudrup (a good shout he is, btw), certainly someone under the age of 60. That seems to fit more with their philosophy of bringing in young talent and fresh ideas, like they did when they took over at Red Sox and appointed Brian Epstein.

Personally, based on the picture that seems to be emerging of managers ruling themselves out, I tend towards giving Rafa a second shot (which I believe is bound to happen at some point, if not now then in the future). I share some of the concerns people have about AVB. Although his time at Chelsea was cut short, the fact remains that he took a side that challenged for the title in the season previous, to being outside of the top four and fighting just to stay in the CL. I'm not buying this b0llocks that "it was the Chelsea players". He was the manager; it was his job to handle the players appropriately. Di Matteo managed it. It's really his time at Porto where he broke all sorts of records, and his experience of working with the likes of Bobby Robson and Mourinho that you're relying on to justify his place in the mix of managers under consideration. Maybe one for the future, but after a spell like that a Chelsea, perhaps too much of a risk at this stage.
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Postby parchpea » Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 pm

No doubt Daggers phone will be ringing off the hook like Rafas has with people
flooding them with job offers!  :laugh:

Meanwhile the one guy everyone wanted out will be leading his country into battle
at the Euro Championship this summer  :lookaround

Well I think we should all stick to our day jobs and let Fenway pick now dont you  :Oo:
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 7:45 pm

i think they`ve gone about it the wrong way, they should of put together a short list of 2 or 3 strong candidates and went for them, drawing up a big list just puts managers off from throwing their hat into the ring and it gives other managers the opportunity to turn us down publically.
it`s turning into a bit of a saga already and the bluenoses are having a field day with all the jokes. ken dodd is our next manager and all that lark.
on the radio before a couple of journalists were saying that this managerial search has just shown how far liverpool have fallen behind and how delusional their fans are and FSG are if they think they can attract a top manager.
the way FSG have handled this has allowed ****** like those journalists to push that agenda.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 7:54 pm

lakes10 » Tue May 22, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:the way its going woth managers turning us dow the owners could find themselves knocking on kennys door again.


well i believe them now when they say they werent speaking to anyone else when kenny was still in the job.
this is too much of a farce to say there`s been any real planning behind it all, i think they just sacked kenny and then thought what shall we do now?
which is fair enough.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue May 22, 2012 7:57 pm

parchpea » Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 pm wrote:No doubt Daggers phone will be ringing off the hook like Rafas has with people
flooding them with job offers!  :laugh:

Meanwhile the one guy everyone wanted out will be leading his country into battle
at the Euro Championship this summer  :lookaround

Well I think we should all stick to our day jobs and let Fenway pick now dont you  :Oo:



Are you really trying to paint Hodgson in a good light just because he got the England job ?

Do you think we were wrong to sack him
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue May 22, 2012 7:59 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 6:45 pm wrote:i think they`ve gone about it the wrong way, they should of put together a short list of 2 or 3 strong candidates and went for them, drawing up a big list just puts managers off from throwing their hat into the ring and it gives other managers the opportunity to turn us down publically.
it`s turning into a bit of a saga already and the bluenoses are having a field day with all the jokes. ken dodd is our next manager and all that lark.
on the radio before a couple of journalists were saying that this managerial search has just shown how far liverpool have fallen behind and how delusional their fans are and FSG are if they think they can attract a top manager.
the way FSG have handled this has allowed ****** like those journalists to push that agenda.


I totall agree
However, I find that joining in the jokes with them confuses the sh'it out of them
I dont like to do it, nor should I be put in a position where I have to, but I wont let them pr'icks see that Im gutted and embarrassed at whats going on
I advise everyone to do the same
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Tue May 22, 2012 8:10 pm

Liverpool FC manager hunt: James Pearce's analysis on FSG's search for the new Anfield boss

THERE’S a sense of unease among Liverpool FC supporters. Six days after the sacking of Kenny Dalglish, the club’s future remains shrouded in uncertainty.
Fans have been promised the dawn of a bright new era under Fenway Sports Group (FSG) but it seems not everyone is rushing to sign up to it.

Frank de Boer became the third candidate on the owners’ extensive list to spurn the opportunity to discuss the managerial vacancy with the Reds.

The highly-rated Dutchman, who has led Ajax to back-to-back titles, would have been a serious contender to succeed Dalglish but turned down an approach
from FSG.

“I am honoured by the request, but I am only just getting started with Ajax,” De Boer said.

“In Amsterdam we are on a new path and, along with the club and Wim Jonk and Dennis Bergkamp, my colleagues in the technical heart, I want to bring good things. That’s why I will stay loyal to Ajax in the coming years.”



Swansea City’s Brendan Rodgers and Borussia Dortmund’s Jurgen Klopp had already ruled themselves out of the running.

Questions are being asked about FSG’s scattergun approach to their recruitment drive.

Identifying around a dozen candidates across Europe and then contacting them to establish whether they would be interested in discussing the possibility of making the switch to Anfield was never going to be straightforward.

Anyone already employed at a club would be taking a big risk by publicly displaying their desire to work elsewhere in the knowledge they hadn’t even made the shortlist.

However, FSG insist they have no regrets about the way they have gone about finding a new boss. Principal owner John Henry and chairman Tom Werner believe they had a duty to cast the net far and wide and try to speak to a wide range of managers.

They will persist with the pre-planned extensive process and have dismissed reports that the recent rejections have now turned it into a two-horse race between former Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas and Wigan’s Roberto Martinez.

Both are expected to hold talks with FSG later this week but Liverpool’s owners are continuing to sound out other options.

They won’t deviate from their blueprint and it’s expected that it will be next week before a shortlist of around three or four candidates is drawn up. Regardless of outside pressures and the fact the transfer window opens next week, they won’t be rushed.
Managing director Ian Ayre has described the appointment as “absolutely critical” to Liverpool FC’s future and has admitted the Reds can’t afford to get it wrong.
Ayre has been making the approaches following lengthy discussions with Henry, Werner and the advisers the Americans have employed to help find the Reds’ next manager.

Bookies’ favourites Villas-Boas and Martinez fit the bill in terms of young coaches who could slot into FSG’s new structure at Anfield. However, both have their share of detractors amongst LFC fans.

A year ago, Villas-Boas was regarded as one of Europe’s brightest talents and Chelsea paid an eye-catching £13.3million compensation to Porto to secure his services.
However, the 34-year-old lasted just nine months at Stamford Bridge after falling out with a number of senior players, failing to command the respect of the dressing room and overseeing a disastrous run of results.

“I’m still choosing the right project and that decision will take the necessary time,” Villas-Boas said on Sunday.

Martinez, who has been granted permission to speak to Liverpool, has no such blot on his copybook. He got Swansea City promoted into the Championship and, since he took over at Wigan in 2009, his reputation has grown steadily.

The 38-year-old Spaniard has kept the Latics in the Premier League on a shoestring budget playing attractive football – but managing Liverpool would represent a very different challenge. The pressure and expectation levels would be far removed from life at the DW Stadium.

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan believes Martinez is destined to manage one of Europe’s top clubs but it would represent a leap of faith from FSG.

Many supporters want to see former Reds boss Rafa Benitez reinstalled in the job he left two years ago. However, Benitez has yet to be approached.

The names of Frank Rijkaard, Michael Laudrup, Laurent Blanc, Guus Hiddink and Louis Van Gaal have all been discussed by FSG, along with that of Didier Deschamps.

Marseille boss Deschamps was first linked with Anfield following the departure of Benitez in 2010.

The World Cup winner could be tempted away from France after a disappointing season saw them finish 10th in Ligue One. He has distanced himself from speculation linking him with Liverpool FC but that may change if there’s an official approach.

“When it goes badly, there is a need to recharge,” Deschamps said.

“I will leave on vacation but it is expected that I be there (Marseille) for July 2.”

While a number of approaches have been publicly rebuffed, FSG insist others have been privately accepted. They are determined to keep as much of the process under wraps as possible.

Ayre said last week that the role of Liverpool boss remains ‘one of the biggest jobs in world football’ and that ‘a top class manager’ will succeed Dalglish.

FSG insist that promise still stands – despite a hat-trick of high-profile rejections.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/05/22/liverpool-fc-manager-hunt-james-pearce-s-analysis-on-fsg-s-search-for-the-new-anfield-boss-100252-31018365/

  Its Martinez and its not even funny any more  .
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue May 22, 2012 8:20 pm

the echo keep mentioning that FSG were impressed by deschamps the last time he came over.
he`s another one that i cant see the fans warming too, ex chelsea player and anyway he finished last season further down the league than kenny, and at least the prem is competative.
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Postby ICE-MAN » Tue May 22, 2012 8:39 pm

In response to benny - I'm not saying Martinez and guardiola are like for like but people's argument that Martinez needs 10 yrs at the top is ridiculous! Look at Di Matteo, sacked from west brom! I'd like to think we have better players than Wigan and that attacking style would be more akin to a club like ours, he tried it at Wigan and got reasonable success on a shoestring budget! Hodgson had fulham playing a horrible style and he
tried that with us hence he didn't work out!

Cos dalglish was sacked, and rightly so in my opinion which I'm entitled to, The next manager will have a group of fans immediately against him which is unfortunately what the fans of our club are like nowadays and why our club is a laughing stock to the neutral!
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