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by **worcester_red** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:10 pm

Carroll will get the chance to prove himself when Suarez is suspended, if he fails to make an impact in those 9 games then he needs to be sold in the summer, it's as simple as that. There is no place for dead wood any more and so far Carroll has not been effective for us, nobody can argue that and why on earth does he need so long to acclimatise, he did use to play in the premiership didn't he, and it's he who has to adapt to LFC not the other way round.

by **ethanr** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:39 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:they as much bid for Carroll as they did Rossi.. and Llorente...

BS.

What with the tens of millions they apparently bid.. (the tabloids who never make up transfer rumours... such as the mirror who proclaimed Suazez is a racist, the daily fail... said so therefore they must have)..... surely then Spurs must have spent all this money in the summer? Back in for Rossi?...no? Ok what did they do with the 35 million the tabloids said they bid for him?? What u mean they spent almost f**k all and brought in a loanee forward? But but.. the papers dont lie.. they had money!

I live with a person like you. At times a stubborn, single minded, irrational, obsessive crank.
Someone who gets something in their mind and no matter what reasonable argument or fact is offered will not, cannot bend to see the error of their ways. Compromise? Dont make me laugh!
You are now bordering on the hysterical and your "proof" that Carroll is sh'ite is becoming more and more bitter. I say again, you are either a frustrated and nasty bitch who has taken a tremendous dislike to a young man who wears the shirt of LFC or you are a phony plant who is trying to turn true supporters against one of our players who has done nothing to receive such vitriol and abuse. Your tenacity would be recommended if Carroll had been a timewasting show pony like some who have darkened our doorstep through the Benitez years, but he seems to be a genuine lad who is trying to find his feet at a massive club and with all the massive expectations that go with it. He was the big fish in Newcastle and now, because of his exaggerated transfer fee, he is supposed to hit the ground running and score a hat trick every game. The price tag weighs heavy on him and people like you make sure it stays that way.
Surely somewhere in your heart there is some maternal instinct which would want to nurture the lad and keep him from harm? Some vestige of compassion and a thought that hes some other womans son and should be protected instead of attacked? Or is it that youre on a secret mission to undermine and sabotage from within for your own despicable reasons?
Whatever it is youre making it clear to everyone that you dont have the best interests of our club at heart. I fully expect this post to be ignored (again) which further proves my case that you are one or both of the above

Well said. I actually think Kerry's agenda is more against getting Kenny out. Sure he doesn't like Carroll but his whole argument is based on a failed transfer policy, and the season isn't even finished.

I mean FFS at least try and be subtle when you sneak on here under the guise of a Liverpool supporter.

Just like Kenny will be given more than a year to prove himself, so should the players. Arguing with this numpty is futile. We all know Kenny has sound reasoning and will give all the new players a chance. After all is not as if he has playered and managed a team before.

It's why I've stopped reading his/her posts long ago. And you as well are correct Thommo. So close-minded, big Andy could score a hat trick every game for the rest of the season, and Kerry would talk about all the supposed misses that anybody could have made, how Carroll will never be a good striker, and how he'll never make it at Liverpool. Kerry's got like 300 posts on this forum, and I'm pretty sure about 295 of them say exactly that.

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:09 pm

Kerry07 wrote:they as much bid for Carroll as they did Rossi.. and Llorente...

BS.

What with the tens of millions they apparently bid.. (the tabloids who never make up transfer rumours... such as the mirror who proclaimed Suazez is a racist, the daily fail... said so therefore they must have)..... surely then Spurs must have spent all this money in the summer? Back in for Rossi?...no? Ok what did they do with the 35 million the tabloids said they bid for him?? What u mean they spent almost f**k all and brought in a loanee forward? But but.. the papers dont lie.. they had money!

Your argument was no club other than liverpool put a bid in for Carroll last January...that's been shown to be complete b0ll0cks. Spurs made several bids...but now you're saying they didn't intend buy him even if their offer were accepted. :laugh:

Just accept you've been proven wrong and move on. Other clubs were after Carroll, as were we.

by **redtrader74** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:41 pm

Spurs always throw out stories about who they might bid for, just to keep their pessimistic fans happy. Even if there was a bid, the 'sources' said it was £23m at most, but we paid £35m FFS. There wasnt any real competition for andys signature, we clearly made a panic buy and fcked up.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:51 pm

The question about the fee really isn't whether Spurs or any other club bid for him or not, it's whether or not he would have cost more than the £35m we paid in the January window had we not move to sign him then, or whether he would still been available at all. If his scoring form had continued at Newcastle, presumably people think that Man City/Chelsea would have been in with £50m bids, and therefore be beyond our reach? It's a risk I'd have been well prepared to take.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:01 pm

It's a risk I am happy they have taken. He is improving, he will keep getting better. Give him a f in chance

by **LFC2007** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:47 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:It's a risk I am happy they have taken. He is improving, he will keep getting better. Give him a f in chance

Honestly, you are glad that we spent the money then rather than waiting until, say, the summer before assessing our options? Fair play to you if that's the case. You obviously have a great deal of faith in his ability. That said, I agree that he will get better, and that he deserves more of a chance. Nothing is set in stone and with enough hard work and enough opportunities he may yet become at least a valuable member of the squad if nothing else.

by **The Good Yank** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:48 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:It's a risk I am happy they have taken. He is improving, he will keep getting better. Give him a f in chance

Honestly, you are glad that we spent the money then rather than waiting until, say, the summer before assessing our options? Fair play to you if that's the case. You obviously have a great deal of faith in his ability. That said, I agree that he will get better, and that he deserves more of a chance. Nothing is set in stone and with enough hard work and enough opportunities he may yet become at least a valuable member of the squad if nothing else.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. We Had just lost Torres. So instead of sticking with David N'gog to partner Suarez we spent some of Chelsea's money on a young English striker who had been looking very good. He had also tore us a new one when we faced him. It was facking Monopoly money. We didn't have time to "Look elsewhere" or wait, it was deadline day and we were left hanging dry.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:48 pm

20/1 Carroll hat trick

by **parchpea** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:11 pm

Firstly Dalglish now needs to play his part and start Carroll every game when Suarez is out starting tomorrow. Its then up to Carroll to stop the headlines, end the threads, by turning on the style and making it impossible to leave him out. Its up to him now with this chance, and he has to step up and take it. I think we are all sick if debating it and in part thats because the manager hasnt played the lad so we are left in limbo. Starting tomorrow this is it now, and hopefully we will all be better placed to make a judgement on what exactly we have on our hands here.

by **mart** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:24 pm

The Good Yank wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. We Had just lost Torres. So instead of sticking with David N'gog to partner Suarez we spent some of Chelsea's money on a young English striker who had been looking very good. He had also tore us a new one when we faced him. It was facking Monopoly money. We didn't have time to "Look elsewhere" or wait, it was deadline day and we were left hanging dry.

Considering he was injured and probably would not play much you cant exactly say its a signing we made to save our season. They had to know they could wait until summer, when they would have a much better chance to get a fair deal, and would have time to look at more options. You dont spend 35 mill because he looked good in one match.

by **The Good Yank** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:34 pm

mart wrote:You dont spend 35 mill because he looked good in one match.

C'mon Man, I may be from the other side of the pond, but you know I didn't mean that.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:51 pm

The Good Yank wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:It's a risk I am happy they have taken. He is improving, he will keep getting better. Give him a f in chance

Honestly, you are glad that we spent the money then rather than waiting until, say, the summer before assessing our options? Fair play to you if that's the case. You obviously have a great deal of faith in his ability. That said, I agree that he will get better, and that he deserves more of a chance. Nothing is set in stone and with enough hard work and enough opportunities he may yet become at least a valuable member of the squad if nothing else.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. We Had just lost Torres. So instead of sticking with David N'gog to partner Suarez we spent some of Chelsea's money on a young English striker who had been looking very good. He had also tore us a new one when we faced him. It was facking Monopoly money. We didn't have time to "Look elsewhere" or wait, it was deadline day and we were left hanging dry.

You make it seem like the situation forced us into making the signing. It didn't. We were twelve points off fourth place at that stage in the season and out of all of the cups except the Europa League. How much of an effect could the signing of another striker reasonably be expected to have had--the signing of any striker, let alone that of an injured 22-year-old with just half a season of Premier League experience under his belt? Holding onto the money was not bound to wreck a season that was already largely over in terms of achieving success in the league or the cups.
That aside, it needn't have come to the final day of the transfer deadline for us to strengthen our frontline with more than one striker. Irrespective of whether Torres moved club (which was not unforeseeable), it was clear that we would need at least a couple of forwards because Ngog was patently not up to it, while Torres himself was far from his best, albeit improving. We still do need another striker in my view even if Carroll completely turns it around.

by **Dundalk** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:57 pm

Newcastle have moved on but Liverpool's Andy Carroll pines for home

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It is easy to imagine Andy Carroll driving alone in his car with I'm Coming Home Newcastle booming out of the sound system. Horribly sentimental, yet strangely haunting, the old Busker song, later covered by Lindisfarne, echoes around St James' Park in the preamble to kick-off at every Newcastle United home game.

The following excerpts capture the tone of unashamedly cheesy lyrics penned for homesick Geordie exiles. "I'm coming home Newcastle, I might as well have been in jail, I'd walk the streets all day all night for a bottle of your own brown ale … I'm coming home Newcastle, if you never win the Cup again, I'll brave the dark at St James' Park on the Gallowgate End in the rain. I'm coming home Newcastle … I'll walk the streets all day all night for a bottle of the River Tyne. I wish I'd never been away. I'd kiss the ground for the welcome sound of my mother saying hinny howay."

Forget the right foot often more suited to standing on than scoring with, the sometimes wayward positional sense, the frequent lack of subtle, clever, movement and the concerns about "refuelling", arguably Carroll's biggest problem at Liverpool is that it is not Newcastle. According to reliable sources, Anfield's underachieving centre-forward spends far too much free time travelling back to his beloved Tyneside, visiting family, friends and old haunts.

Eleven months after a £35m deadline day transfer to Liverpool and a week before his 23rd birthday, the ties that bind Carroll so tightly to his Geordie roots have yet to loosen appreciably. It seems that a Newcastle team increasingly built around Yohan Cabaye's playmaking skills, a growing possession game and Demba Ba's goals have moved on much faster than their former local hero.

While Carroll has been warming Liverpool's bench – and with Fabio Capello expressing disquiet about his off-field habits, also slipping out of England contention – Ba, a devout, teetotal Muslim has established himself as the Gallowgate End's new attacking darling. On Friday night at Anfield, Ba will attempt to extend a scoring streak in which the free transfer signing from West Ham has claimed 14 goals in his past 13 Premier League games while Carroll is expected to replace the suspended Luis Suárez.

Kenny Dalglish's players may pine for the Uruguayan, but Alan Pardew's team are not about to underestimate an old friend. Fabricio Coloccini and Mike Williamson, Newcastle's likely central defensive pairing, confronted the 6ft 3in Gateshead-born force of nature often enough in training to fear the undeniable brilliance of a powerfully incisive left foot not to mention that ferociously combative aerial ability.

"At his best Andy is virtually unplayable," says Glenn Roeder, one of Carroll's former Newcastle managers. "I played him against John Terry and Sol Campbell in games with Chelsea and Portsmouth and neither could get near Andy in the air."

Roeder found Carroll consistently receptive to training ground advice but believes he needs to work hard on improving his right foot, movement outside the box, possession retention and first touch. "If I were Andy I'd get DVDs of Michael Owen, look at his game outside the area and study how he does the simple things wonderfully well," Roeder says.

If Liverpool's fluent passing style is mentally and technically more demanding of players than the broadly direct approach adopted by Newcastle during Carroll's brief period in the first XI, it would be very wrong to say he is incapable of rising to the challenge. A forward far better on the ground than generally given credit for possesses sufficient natural talent to successfully reinvent elements of his game.

Dalglish, who persistently rebutts doubts about Carroll's lifestyle, has long maintained that the thigh and knee injury which have so disrupted his first year on Merseyside represent the principal reasons for a painfully slow burn start.

Those who liken Carroll to Michael Ricketts – the former Bolton Wanderers striker who, a decade ago, briefly took Premier League defences by storm, won an England cap and then swiftly disappeared almost without trace – conveniently ignore a significant difference. While Ricketts concedes he fell out of love with football, Carroll's friends are vehement that, if a certain immaturity, homesickness and lack of match fitness have undeniably held him back, disinterest and disengagement are definitely not among the £35m man's problems.

Perhaps a sometime England international who, despite registering 11 goals in 19 appearances for Newcastle early last season, had only been playing Premier League football for five months when he was bundled into Mike Ashley's Anfield bound helicopter is as much in need of regular first-team action as decent left wing crosses from Stewart Downing.

Courtesy of the eight-game Football Association ban faced by Suárez in the wake of the Patrice Evra racial abuse case he now seems certain to be granted the former.

The vogue joke on Merseyside may be: "News Alert: FA offer Carroll eight game first team run; Liverpool set to appeal" but it could yet morph into a serenade sung to the tune of Neil Diamond "Sweet Carroll-ine."

From the Guardian

by **redtrader74** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:17 am

He has been here a year, he is not a kid anymore, Suarez is out and this means a lot of game time for at least the next 9-10 games, it's time for him to turn up and show us his best. If Carroll has anything about him he needs to take his opportunity and show a return for the faith that the Club and Kenny have given to him, never mind the 80k a week. Starting tomorrow we need to see the hunger and desire that should be a given at this level, it's a team that he knows, therefore I'm going for a little bet, Carroll to score and us to win.

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