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by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:32 am

Come on fellas the attacks on Carroll are getting a bit embaressing now - he has played a handful of games ffs - it's not champ manager where you can just sell someone at a loss after a handful of games and then just buy another forward !?! The pad will be given time to show he can do a job for us and fans have to be patient and give him that time - he has done well before in the prem and when he gets his form and confidence back then we may well see he scoring goals and being part of a productive team .

Who is old enough to remember Ian Rush when he first arrived ? Nearly went back to Chester because he lost confidence and couldn't buy a goal - he got a break and the rest is history - now before people explode I'm not comparing him to Rush in terms of ability .

Ffs guys give the lad a proper decent chance and show some belief in the management .

And before someone like Bam comes crying in about me beig critical about players like Konchesky , Poulsen etc their situation was totally different - the other end of their career .

by **devaney** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:12 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Come on fellas the attacks on Carroll are getting a bit embaressing now - he has played a handful of games ffs - it's not champ manager where you can just sell someone at a loss after a handful of games and then just buy another forward !?! The pad will be given time to show he can do a job for us and fans have to be patient and give him that time - he has done well before in the prem and when he gets his form and confidence back then we may well see he scoring goals and being part of a productive team .

Who is old enough to remember Ian Rush when he first arrived ? Nearly went back to Chester because he lost confidence and couldn't buy a goal - he got a break and the rest is history - now before people explode I'm not comparing him to Rush in terms of ability .

Ffs guys give the lad a proper decent chance and show some belief in the management .

And before someone like Bam comes crying in about me beig critical about players like Konchesky , Poulsen etc their situation was totally different - the other end of their career .

Benny - it's called an opinion and it may just come as a surprise but some of us don't actually agree with yours.

Is it just confidence with Carroll? I don't think so. You need a lot of that to run up and grab the ball to take a penalty! Of course it didn't do his confidence much good when he missed the penalty and don't try and tell me that it was a great save! No doubt you will produce another collection of stats demonstrating the goal scoring ability of Carroll. I could do the same with Torres and Michael Owen! Carroll is playing for a club with very high expectations. Personally I don't think he is or ever will be up to the job. I hope to be proved wrong!

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:29 am

Are you judging Carroll on his performances with us or before as well ?

by **devaney** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:43 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Are you judging Carroll on his performances with us or before as well ?

Both. He is playing at a vastly different level which requires a higher degree of footballing intelligence which frankly I do not believe he possesses. Championship and mid to low level Stoke style premiership football is Carroll's level. He does not have the speed, ability or intelligence to meet our standards.

by **supersub** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:51 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Who is old enough to remember Ian Rush when he first arrived ? Nearly went back to Chester because he lost confidence and couldn't buy a goal - he got a break and the rest is history - now before people explode I'm not comparing him to Rush in terms of ability .

Ffs guys give the lad a proper decent chance and show some belief in the management .

And before someone like Bam comes crying in about me beig critical about players like Konchesky , Poulsen etc their situation was totally different - the other end of their career .

I'm old enough to remember Ian Rush and yes he went 7 or 8 games without scoring towards the end of season 80-81.He did look a little ungainly at times but for a third division player who was 19 it was his potential was obvious for all to see.......When David Johnson got injured at the beginning of the following season Ian Rush came in and scored for fun and looked comfortable in the team...he was just about to turn 20 years old...the potential was not only obvious it was unfurling before our eyes

by **jacdaniel** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:55 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Are you judging Carroll on his performances with us or before as well ?

His Performances for Liverpool are all that matters to me.

Morientes was a fantastic striker before and even after Liverpool. But he didn't fit in at our club and was offloaded pretty quickly.

Come the summer Andy will have been a Liverpool player for 18 months and if he hasn't shown anything by then Im sure we'll be listening to offers.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:05 am

supersub wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Who is old enough to remember Ian Rush when he first arrived ? Nearly went back to Chester because he lost confidence and couldn't buy a goal - he got a break and the rest is history - now before people explode I'm not comparing him to Rush in terms of ability .

Ffs guys give the lad a proper decent chance and show some belief in the management .

And before someone like Bam comes crying in about me beig critical about players like Konchesky , Poulsen etc their situation was totally different - the other end of their career .

I'm old enough to remember Ian Rush and yes he went 7 or 8 games without scoring towards the end of season 80-81.He did look a little ungainly at times but for a third division player who was 19 it was his potential was obvious for all to see.......When David Johnson got injured at the beginning of the following season Ian Rush came in and scored for fun and looked comfortable in the team...he was just about to turn 20 years old...the potential was not only obvious it was unfurling before our eyes

It took him a whole year to get settled - imagine the reaction on here after the club spent a record fee on a teenager .

He had no confidence in himself or his abilities and he looked like a lame duck playing for the ressies and he wanted to leave .

by **parchpea** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:21 am

Back in Rushies day clubs had time to nurture lower league players and mould them into European stars but its a different world now. I dont care what the club says in public, they will be gutted with Carroll having put that money on him, I mean who wouldnt be. They bought this lad to make a difference, to have an impact, but hes not delivered. I think everyones frustrated with him and its like noose round the clubs neck until he starts playing some football and doing a job. We cannnot allow another year to run on with him on the sidelines and not performing as we need to get back in that Champs league. If he doesnt show us something between now and the end of the campaign I can see the club having to bite the bullet and cut him loose.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:30 am

parchpea wrote:Back in Rushies day clubs had time to nurture lower league players and mould them into European stars but its a different world now. I dont care what the club says in public, they will be gutted with Carroll having put that money on him, I mean who wouldnt be. They bought this lad to make a difference, to have an impact, but hes not delivered. I think everyones frustrated with him and its like noose round the clubs neck until he starts playing some football and doing a job. We cannnot allow another year to run on with him on the sidelines and not performing as we need to get back in that Champs league. If he doesnt show us something between now and the end of the campaign I can see the club having to bite the bullet and cut him loose.

Kenny believe's there is time to allow players to nuture and develop - remember his comment when we bought him " 5 years not 5 months " .

The world hasn't changed - the attitude and demands for instant success from fans has changed - if a player doesn't give instant performances , they must be offloaded . Thank god Kenny is bringing a bit of reality and sense back into the club .

Time for paitence

by **Fowler_E7** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:41 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
parchpea wrote:Back in Rushies day clubs had time to nurture lower league players and mould them into European stars but its a different world now. I dont care what the club says in public, they will be gutted with Carroll having put that money on him, I mean who wouldnt be. They bought this lad to make a difference, to have an impact, but hes not delivered. I think everyones frustrated with him and its like noose round the clubs neck until he starts playing some football and doing a job. We cannnot allow another year to run on with him on the sidelines and not performing as we need to get back in that Champs league. If he doesnt show us something between now and the end of the campaign I can see the club having to bite the bullet and cut him loose.

Kenny believe's there is time to allow players to nuture and develop - remember his comment when we bought him " 5 years not 5 months " .

The world hasn't changed - the attitude and demands for instant success from fans has changed - if a player doesn't give instant performances , they must be offloaded . Thank god Kenny is bringing a bit of reality and sense back into the club .

Time for paitence

Carroll isnt some teenager who has been bought for the future though is he. At £35 million he is one of the most expensive players in the history of football, he was bought to perform and score goals NOW! at that price people demand instant results and rightfully so, when that kind of money is spent you expect a top player.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:51 pm

He is a player who has been bought for the future - just because he is not a teenager doesn't mean he is bought for right now - "5 years not 5 months " - the management knew they wouldn't get instant results from him because of his injury for starters .

Paitence is a virtue no longer seen in a modern fan

by **supersub** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:17 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:It took him a whole year to get settled - imagine the reaction on here after the club spent a record fee on a teenager .

He had no confidence in himself or his abilities and he looked like a lame duck playing for the ressies and he wanted to leave .

he was just 19.......bought for the future......played in the final games of the season when the league was already lost and the rest of the team were going through the motions because there was a semi & final european cup to play and a league cup final/replay to play....started cracking them in early doors the following season.....

I think there is a massive difference in the acqusition of 19 year old Ian Rush from 3rd division Chester and 22 year old premier league player Andy Carroll from Newcastle , regardless of the transfer fees involved....at 22 Ian Rush was phenominal

Benny you obviously see a talented footballer waiting to emerge , I see nothing of the sort and I can't see how we can accomodate the player he is purported to be in our side....

On the Rush comparison...would Andy Carroll be happy to play in the reserves for the next 9 months

by **parchpea** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:42 pm

Unless your hitting the first team at 18 or 19 then its unlikely you will be held on to at this level. You have to be in he class of a Fowler, Owen or Rooney to be retained by the elite or its down the road. There is little room for development or sentiment beyond that. Carroll is 23 in January and has hardly kicked a ball for us in 12 months. If they truly beleived in unlocking his potential and developing his play then he would be in the side on a regular basis. When you lay that kind of money down you build a side around that player. Carroll has hardly featured and that tells me the 5 year thing is boloni, merely a smokescreen to appease fans and the media.

by **jacdaniel** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:33 pm

The whole "We bought a player for 5 years and not 5 months" is rubbish. Rafa said exactly the same thing about Aquilani when the media asked him why he'd spent 20M on an injured player.

Only a few months after Rafa had said that, he was sacked and shortly afterwards Aquilani was sent on loan.

The modern game is very different than the 80's. As a club, we need to get back into the CL so we are taking in more money, attracting star players and keeping hold of the top players and manager we have now.

We cant afford to be waiting on players to come good anymore. At least not until we're hitting our minimum targets again.

by **Octsky** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:39 pm

gooners also gave Henry one year and 1-2 wks ago they build him a statue.
what i really want to see from Carroll is some commitment on/off field.

we should give him a chance to show the league that he is a half-decent striker to boost
up his resale value.

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