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by **ethanr** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:38 am

Crazy stuff going on in Libya now. French managed to shame us Americans to join in... AGAIN!

Probably good people are getting involved, tho obvious that it's not just to do the right thing, money always has it's play.

Just saw a thing on the news about a plane that was shot down. There was the plane wreckage and it panned across like five people standing by it. Young kid was wearing a Gerrard jersey.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:53 pm

Glad the intervention happened, Ghaddafi is a murderer and needs to be stopped.

by **tubby** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:40 pm

Yeah he probably needed to be stopped but I don't think the UK/US should have stepped in. Haven't they learnt anything? Let them sort it by themselves.

by **Alex88** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:52 pm

Meanwhile, a lot of libyans are migrating in Italy. Lampedusa is full of libyans.

Anyway Ghaddafi needs to be stopped. I agree.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:54 pm

tubby wrote:Yeah he probably needed to be stopped but I don't think the UK/US should have stepped in. Haven't they learnt anything? Let them sort it by themselves.

intervention was needed to stop the madman, but I agree about the skepticism on the intervention as I don't think Europe or US would attack if there isn't an economic interest.

by **Kenny Kan** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:56 pm

Where is the exit strategy, another strain on our resources and more soldiers' lives lost because of some tin pot countries nutcase.

And to add, it's the democratic western society that these mongrels detest that's going to try and bail them out.

f.ucking hypocritical!

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:00 pm

tubby wrote:Yeah he probably needed to be stopped but I don't think the UK/US should have stepped in. Haven't they learnt anything? Let them sort it by themselves.

Let's not get naive here. It was a UN resolution. US and the UK may be the biggest members of the UN but they are not the only ones enforcing the resolution.

UK
US
France
Spain
Denmark
Norway
Canada
Belgium
Italy
Qatar
UAE (unconfirmed but widely reported)
Turkey (just announced)

All have been actively enforcing the no fly zone and related military strikes required to disable the various command centres across Libya.

The moral reasons are clear but also there is a financial benefit for all the above for removing Gaddafi. Any pro-western government in Libya will benefit the UN member nations. The only ones resisting the resolution is Russia, China and some neighbouring smaller nations who clearly have it good under the current Gaddafi government.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:14 pm

Yep, its also funny that GCC intervention in Bahrain to stop the protests!

by **laza** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:26 pm

People of places like Zimbabwe and Burma must really wish they had oil under their countries

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:50 pm

laza wrote:People of places like Zimbabwe and Burma must really wish they had oil under their countries

True but one of the biggest reasons the UN will not/cannot intervene in these places is that the neighbouring countries (African Union) will not support any action against Mugabe, etc. The politics in Africa is even more complicated since the removal of apartheid.

The Arab league continue to back the no-fly zone (albeit with some resistance to the methods used), that is the political difference and primarily the reason the UN can intervene in Libya. Gaddafi foolishly never curried favour with the Arab league, now he pays the price.

Until the African Union take a united stance against Mugabe, nothing will get done at a military level.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:54 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:The Arab league continue to back the no-fly zone (albeit with some resistance to the methods used), that is the political difference and primarily the reason the UN can intervene in Libya. Gaddafi foolishly never curried favour with the Arab league, now he pays the price.

Because the Arab League are a joke.

I'm more worried what would happen in Syria next, WW3 written all over it

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:38 pm

Lets see what happens when the good citizens of bahrain and qatar and saudi revolt . Wonder if the west will stop them dictatorships from killing there people . Doubt it somehow.

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:39 pm

metalhead wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:The Arab league continue to back the no-fly zone (albeit with some resistance to the methods used), that is the political difference and primarily the reason the UN can intervene in Libya. Gaddafi foolishly never curried favour with the Arab league, now he pays the price.

Because the Arab League are a joke.

I'm more worried what would happen in Syria next, WW3 written all over it

Lebanon won't be far behind syria MH do you think ?

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:53 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Lebanon won't be far behind syria MH do you think ?

Nah, not worried about Lebanon, its the only Arab country that isn't run by a dictator, especially when we are divided into different sects because the majority of the country is Muslim, Christians and Druze. I'm only worried that Hezbollah and Israel might kick it off again!

by **Reg** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:07 am

Kenny Kan wrote:Where is the exit strategy, another strain on our resources and more soldiers' lives lost because of some tin pot countries nutcase.

And to add, it's the democratic western society that these mongrels detest that's going to try and bail them out.

f.ucking hypocritical!

You only need an exit strategy if you go in.

The mandate says to stop him killing his own people so once he's done that it endgame.

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