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[mistyred]

If CIty offer 40mil we should take it.They wont though.

Optimistic as ever Bav 

[tubby]

Well I guess if they really are serious we will see over the next few days.

[Toffeehater]

We shouldn't sell city anyone but use them as leverage so that madrid up their bid to 25 million and 2 players , robben/sneijder/negardo , i've goit a strong feeling that we'll see sneijder and RVN here though

[JoeTerp]

if our price for RM is 35, I think our price for any prem club has to be 43-45, because not only will it be harder for us to beat whatever team we sell him to in those two games that we play that team, but it will also be harder for us to finish above that team in the table because they now have Xabi.  I would also imagine it would be much more difficult for another premiership club to come to personal terms with Xabi than it would be for Madrid.

[account deleted by request]

I don't care one iota if xabi wants to leave or stay. that shouldn't matter. the only thing that matters is our valuation of the player and the amount of money in the bids we recieve for him

Do we really want players who don't want to be at the club being forced to stay though Joe?

Alonso made a quote earlier in the window about how his wage had dropped in real terms because of the strong Euro and the raised rate of tax.

Maybe that gives us some idea about his motivation.

I would say to both  Masch and Alonso you have two options :-

1/ put your transfer in writing and you can go, we will reach an agreement with one of the clubs 

2/ stay

I don't want players who don't want to play for us. I would rather sell for what we can get and move on.

For the good of the team we need them to make up their minds quickly because we need to bring in replacements as soon as possible if they want to go.


I would rather sell for a little less, than keep a player who doesn't want to be here.

[JoeTerp]

I don't care one iota if xabi wants to leave or stay. that shouldn't matter. the only thing that matters is our valuation of the player and the amount of money in the bids we recieve for him

Do we really want players who don't want to be at the club being forced to stay though Joe?

Alonso made a quote earlier in the window about how his wage had dropped in real terms because of the strong Euro and the raised rate of tax.

Maybe that gives us some idea about his motivation.

I would say to both  Masch and Alonso you have two options :-

1/ put your transfer in writing and you can go, we will reach an agreement with one of the clubs 

2/ stay

I don't want players who don't want to play for us. I would rather sell for what we can get and move on.

For the good of the team we need them to make up their minds quickly because we need to bring in replacements as soon as possible if they want to go.


I would rather sell for a little less, than keep a player who doesn't want to be here.

lots of people work at jobs that they don't want to be at (me right now).  Xabi proved last season that he is a pro and will play at a high level regardless. Plus if he stays and plays poorly, Madrid wont want him anymore.  I think its more important to set the precedent that contracts with LFC actually mean something and that we wont be bullied or pressured to do anything against our will.

[heimdall]

Oh will can all play that game - lets see how i do


AHEM!!

Chapter 1

Rotation - Blah Blah Blah Blah

Chapter 2

Rafa - Just cause i say something negative about him doesnt mean i hate him - Blah Blah Blah

Chapter 3

Keane - Rafa ruined him - played him for two games he scored and then dropped - blah blah blah see references for more detail in chapter 1

Chapter 4

Kuyt - i must mention him as much as possible about not being good enough no matter what the thread - blah blah blah

Chapter 5

Banned members - Why where they banned but what about others who get away with stuff - blah blah blah .

sub chapter - rules - can we have new clearer ones pretty please blah blah blah

Final Chapter -

Maureen - i love him - blah blah blah




Please let me know if i have missed out any of your normal bones that you never seem to drop 




p.s. Just banter off course 

Nope that definitely wasn't as funny and didn't sound much like Big Mick at all. I think to imitate Big Mick you have to try and write sentences with more than 5 words in them and then try to string those sentences together into something most other posters call a paragraph.

[heimdall]

I don't care one iota if xabi wants to leave or stay. that shouldn't matter. the only thing that matters is our valuation of the player and the amount of money in the bids we recieve for him

Do we really want players who don't want to be at the club being forced to stay though Joe?

Alonso made a quote earlier in the window about how his wage had dropped in real terms because of the strong Euro and the raised rate of tax.

Maybe that gives us some idea about his motivation.

I would say to both  Masch and Alonso you have two options :-

1/ put your transfer in writing and you can go, we will reach an agreement with one of the clubs 

2/ stay

I don't want players who don't want to play for us. I would rather sell for what we can get and move on.

For the good of the team we need them to make up their minds quickly because we need to bring in replacements as soon as possible if they want to go.


I would rather sell for a little less, than keep a player who doesn't want to be here.

Yeah it is sickening to hear footballers bitch about the euro compared to the pound as if they are now suddenly penniless. Bunch of overpaid w@nkers!!

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I don't care one iota if xabi wants to leave or stay. that shouldn't matter. the only thing that matters is our valuation of the player and the amount of money in the bids we recieve for him

Do we really want players who don't want to be at the club being forced to stay though Joe?

Alonso made a quote earlier in the window about how his wage had dropped in real terms because of the strong Euro and the raised rate of tax.

Maybe that gives us some idea about his motivation.

I would say to both  Masch and Alonso you have two options :-

1/ put your transfer in writing and you can go, we will reach an agreement with one of the clubs 

2/ stay

I don't want players who don't want to play for us. I would rather sell for what we can get and move on.

For the good of the team we need them to make up their minds quickly because we need to bring in replacements as soon as possible if they want to go.


I would rather sell for a little less, than keep a player who doesn't want to be here.

lots of people work at jobs that they don't want to be at (me right now).  Xabi proved last season that he is a pro and will play at a high level regardless. Plus if he stays and plays poorly, Madrid wont want him anymore.  I think its more important to set the precedent that contracts with LFC actually mean something and that we wont be bullied or pressured to do anything against our will.

Then we get problems with players not wanting to sign for us because they know if there is a problem with the manager etc etc they would be stuck here.

This club is about winning cups and leagues, not extracting the best possible price for players who don't want to play for us. We have sold bigger and better players than them in the past because they wanted to go, and I am sure we will do again.

Even Gerrard was told he could go if he put it in a transfer request.

Last season he/we had no option mate. No one was willing to pay even the cut rate price for him, and he was dropped for the Euro's which must have been another wake up call for him.

Now he has clubs willing to pay what most would consider an excellent price for him. If he is not allowed to go I think there might be a reaction even from the "professional" Alonso.

We risk losing a lot more than Alonso does if he decides to go down that route. He sits on a bench for 6 months we lose £10million and still have to sell him. 

I really don't believe its in anyones interest to keep players who are unhappy or want to move elsewhere.

As with Barry at Aston Villa, he actually played the professional, but it still cost Villa £6million + his wages for an extra season.

Will Madrid want him anyway if they don't get him now, no matter how well he plays? They will probably rather look elsewhere than wait.

I see nothing wrong in trying to get the highest price possible for our players, but there comes a time when you have to accept that its better to cut the knot rather than continue to struggle to untie it. The longer it takes now the less time we have for new players to brought in.

We had all the cr@p about Liverpool not being bullied a couple of years ago over Alves's price....... we weren't bullied, but I can't say I am happy with the way things turned out.

[REDTILLDEAD]

Why dont these two ego elevated big heads show some loyalty as rafa has asked for?.......if they dont want to be part of next seasons title winning team then they can both fukk off make sure we screw madrid or city for as much as we can...and move on.

[JoeTerp]

I don't care one iota if xabi wants to leave or stay. that shouldn't matter. the only thing that matters is our valuation of the player and the amount of money in the bids we recieve for him

Do we really want players who don't want to be at the club being forced to stay though Joe?

Alonso made a quote earlier in the window about how his wage had dropped in real terms because of the strong Euro and the raised rate of tax.

Maybe that gives us some idea about his motivation.

I would say to both  Masch and Alonso you have two options :-

1/ put your transfer in writing and you can go, we will reach an agreement with one of the clubs 

2/ stay

I don't want players who don't want to play for us. I would rather sell for what we can get and move on.

For the good of the team we need them to make up their minds quickly because we need to bring in replacements as soon as possible if they want to go.


I would rather sell for a little less, than keep a player who doesn't want to be here.

lots of people work at jobs that they don't want to be at (me right now).  Xabi proved last season that he is a pro and will play at a high level regardless. Plus if he stays and plays poorly, Madrid wont want him anymore.  I think its more important to set the precedent that contracts with LFC actually mean something and that we wont be bullied or pressured to do anything against our will.

Then we get problems with players not wanting to sign for us because they know if there is a problem with the manager etc etc they would be stuck here.

This club is about winning cups and leagues, not extracting the best possible price for players who don't want to play for us. We have sold bigger and better players than them in the past because they wanted to go, and I am sure we will do again.

Even Gerrard was told he could go if he put it in a transfer request.

Last season he/we had no option mate. No one was willing to pay even the cut rate price for him, and he was dropped for the Euro's which must have been another wake up call for him.

Now he has clubs willing to pay what most would consider an excellent price for him. If he is not allowed to go I think there might be a reaction even from the "professional" Alonso.

We risk losing a lot more than Alonso does if he decides to go down that route. He sits on a bench for 6 months we lose £10million and still have to sell him. 

I really don't believe its in anyones interest to keep players who are unhappy or want to move elsewhere.

As with Barry at Aston Villa, he actually played the professional, but it still cost Villa £6million + his wages for an extra season.

Will Madrid want him anyway if they don't get him now, no matter how well he plays? They will probably rather look elsewhere than wait.

I see nothing wrong in trying to get the highest price possible for our players, but there comes a time when you have to accept that its better to cut the knot rather than continue to struggle to untie it. The longer it takes now the less time we have for new players to brought in.

We had all the cr@p about Liverpool not being bullied a couple of years ago over Alves's price....... we weren't bullied, but I can't say I am happy with the way things turned out.

what is the value of a seasons worth of Xabi alonso play to our team?

a very difficult number to quantify, but potentially a very high number, a number that would cause any drop in asking price to be a wash.

why would xabi sit on the bench? if he is our player, he is going to play.  there is no talk of holding out, or a threat of not playing, so therefore we should not act as if that is the situation, because that situation would be different and far worse.


and as for the might start a policy of scaring people off part, isn't that something you would want? if your so into making sure our players are 100% committed to the cause, then a policy of sticking to our contracts would be a good way to weed out the potential f.uck offers before they even sign.  then we wont find ourselves in situations like this as often, if ever.

[sgs]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5450200,00.html


Real Madrid director general Jorge Valdano has claimed the Spanish giants will make no more summer signings until they have made sales of their own.

Following a close-season of unprecedented spending, Madrid have spent £200million already, Valdano admits players need to leave the club before any new arrivals.

The likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Karim Benzema and Raul Albiol have been signed, while Alvaro Negredo and Ezequiel Garay have also been added to the squad.

A deal for Getafe midfielder Esteban Granero to return to the Bernabeu also appears to be close, but that could well be the final addition until Madrid, who have been chasing Liverpool duo Xabi Alonso and Alvaro Arbeloa, manage to trim their squad down.

Players such as Javier Saviola, Javi Garcia, Fabio Cannavaro and Jordi Codina have already moved on, but Madrid will be keen to cash in on a number of other first-teamers in order to recoup some of their money and free up some squad space.

Squad trimming
"The transfer door will remain closed until some players have left, other than for exceptional cases such as that of Granero," said Valdano, who admits it has not been easy to offload players.

"There are days when you take a step forward and others a step back. We are continually working on player exits. It's a difficult market but until the last moment we will continue working hard on finding a possible exit for the players that are not in the coach's plans."

One Madrid player whose future has been in the news of late is Dutch striker Klaas Jan Huntelaar.

Huntelaar, who only moved to Spain at the start of the year, had looked set to join German side Stuttgart after missing Madrid's pre-season trip to Ireland to try to sort out his future, but that move has now fallen through.


Bit-part player
A number of other clubs, including Tottenham, have been linked to the former Ajax player, but Valdano insists there is nothing concrete on the table for Huntelaar at this time.

"There is no firm offer. We had a great opportunity, but the player decided to let it pass. There is a long way to go until the end of August and we hope to find another European club that is interested.

"He (Huntelaar) will occupy a secondary role in the squad because he has not had the same preparation as his team-mates and he already knows what the club's intentions are."


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what is the value of a seasons worth of Xabi alonso play to our team?

a very difficult number to quantify, but potentially a very high number, a number that would cause any drop in asking price to be a wash.

why would xabi sit on the bench? if he is our player, he is going to play.  there is no talk of holding out, or a threat of not playing, so therefore we should not act as if that is the situation, because that situation would be different and far worse.


and as for the might start a policy of scaring people off part, isn't that something you would want? if your so into making sure our players are 100% committed to the cause, then a policy of sticking to our contracts would be a good way to weed out the potential f.uck offers before they even sign.  then we wont find ourselves in situations like this as often, if ever.

No mate, a seasons worth of Xabi is easy to quantify ...... his wages.

One other thought that struck me, if we keep Alonso for another season he can buy out his contract for 2 years wages anyway.

I know its been rarely used, but I think he would be eligible to do it? 


Robby Keane was 100% to the cause, should we have forced him to stay once he found out he didn't like the setup or the way he was treated.

There will always be personality clashes mate just as there will always be players only here for the money.

[JoeTerp]

what is the value of a seasons worth of Xabi alonso play to our team?

a very difficult number to quantify, but potentially a very high number, a number that would cause any drop in asking price to be a wash.

why would xabi sit on the bench? if he is our player, he is going to play.  there is no talk of holding out, or a threat of not playing, so therefore we should not act as if that is the situation, because that situation would be different and far worse.


and as for the might start a policy of scaring people off part, isn't that something you would want? if your so into making sure our players are 100% committed to the cause, then a policy of sticking to our contracts would be a good way to weed out the potential f.uck offers before they even sign.  then we wont find ourselves in situations like this as often, if ever.

No mate, a seasons worth of Xabi is easy to quantify ...... his wages.

One other thought that struck me, if we keep Alonso for another season he can buy out his contract for 2 years wages anyway.

I know its been rarely used, but I think he would be eligible to do it? 


Robby Keane was 100% to the cause, should we have forced him to stay once he found out he didn't like the setup or the way he was treated.

There will always be personality clashes mate just as there will always be players only here for the money.

his wages are unrelated to what his value to the team over the season is. look at Degen, his value to the team last year was near zero, but still got paid wages.

like I was saying, a lot of it has to do with how successful as a team we are in the coming season and then how much Xabi has to do with that success and then how we would have done if we had we not had him, etc.

i thought the rule was if there was one year left?  also I have heard there is an unwritten agreement from the big clubs not sign people on those kinds of deals in order to avoid mayhem.  Also Xabi has shown no signs that he would do something like that to the club.  If he sat out all of this season, then that would be a move i would expect, but he doesn't seem to be THAT unhappy.


we were able to find an offer for robbie that was worth more than the value he would have provided for the team

[account deleted by request]

what is the value of a seasons worth of Xabi alonso play to our team?

a very difficult number to quantify, but potentially a very high number, a number that would cause any drop in asking price to be a wash.

why would xabi sit on the bench? if he is our player, he is going to play.  there is no talk of holding out, or a threat of not playing, so therefore we should not act as if that is the situation, because that situation would be different and far worse.


and as for the might start a policy of scaring people off part, isn't that something you would want? if your so into making sure our players are 100% committed to the cause, then a policy of sticking to our contracts would be a good way to weed out the potential f.uck offers before they even sign.  then we wont find ourselves in situations like this as often, if ever.

No mate, a seasons worth of Xabi is easy to quantify ...... his wages.

One other thought that struck me, if we keep Alonso for another season he can buy out his contract for 2 years wages anyway.

I know its been rarely used, but I think he would be eligible to do it? 


Robby Keane was 100% to the cause, should we have forced him to stay once he found out he didn't like the setup or the way he was treated.

There will always be personality clashes mate just as there will always be players only here for the money.

his wages are unrelated to what his value to the team over the season is. look at Degen, his value to the team last year was near zero, but still got paid wages.

like I was saying, a lot of it has to do with how successful as a team we are in the coming season and then how much Xabi has to do with that success and then how we would have done if we had we not had him, etc.

i thought the rule was if there was one year left?  also I have heard there is an unwritten agreement from the big clubs not sign people on those kinds of deals in order to avoid mayhem.  Also Xabi has shown no signs that he would do something like that to the club.  If he sat out all of this season, then that would be a move i would expect, but he doesn't seem to be THAT unhappy.


we were able to find an offer for robbie that was worth more than the value he would have provided for the team

No they can do it in their last two years Joe.  Lampard threatened to do it a couple of years back. I am not sure how much weight a gentlemans agreement would hold when there is possibly £10's of millions to be saved.

We lost Mcmanaman on the first big Bosman, I wouldn't want to gamble again and lose a player for next to nothing just because big clubs hadn't done it before.

I think a lot depends on the player and his reasons for wanting to leave.

We are a big club, that pays good wages, he gets regular first team football, we are in the CL and challenging for honours. Most of the reasons players leave are covered, its presumably not because he is homesick or he would have dismissed talk of a transfer to any country but Spain.

So I am presuming (no I don't know!) that the main reason is his problem with Rafa and more money. If Rafa blocks his move do you expect that Xabi will feel better or worse about Rafa?

It could be that everything would be set aside and he would play well for us, then again it could be that the grievances would just get bigger.

A players wages are the clubs way of indicating the players potential value to the team. All players get injured. If the club thought that player was worth more to the team they would have to increase his salary or risk losing him. Which is why so many players move clubs for more money. Our valuation is not necessarily the same as another clubs.

Who can say what his value to the clubs success is ? We havent won anything for three years does that mean he Gerrard and Torres aren't worth much   

Everyone thought Keegan was irreplaceable, but not many would now argue that the player we signed to replace him turned out to be better. It all depends on who we sign if he goes.  Sign the right player and we may never look back, sign the wrong player and Alonso will be sadly missed for years.