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[Bammo]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Where does Rafa being ill figure into this?

I'd have thought the manager missing training and games was more of an impact on performances than mind games and not replacing an ineffective striker.

[GYBS]

good point - him missing training and being away may well of affected things

[stmichael]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

[GYBS]

so when it comes down to it st micheal it was down to individual errors that lost us points . not keane nor a rant .

[Bammo]

That's my point

The media wanted to make a big deal of the "rant" (which it wasn't - watch fergie if you want a rant) and so that was all that was mentioned. Even my Utd supporting mates were convinced that it had more of an effect on our performances than Rafa being missing.

I've said it before in other threads, the reason we may not win the title is because of schoolboy errors.

Those you've mentioned St. Michael, the defending against Arsenal, the own goal against Boro and endless more. Those mistakes are down to the players and not the manager.

[tonyeh]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

Correct.

The ill-advised rant (albeit silly) had nothing to do with our losing the season...and yes, to all intents and purposes Liverpool are not going to win league (bar a Utd fuck up).

Liverpool squandered a premiership lead and the potential to break free and clear, because the tactics employed were far too cautious and in the end, negative. Coupled with some dodgy decisions by Benitez and a truly redundant and generally ineffectual substitution policy...that is what has cost us the league.

I've no doubt that if we had switched to the attacking football we've been playing for the last few weeks, we'd have probably won the damn thing by now, or at least be sitting a few points clear.

[GYBS]

so its down to rafa then not the individual errors ? im sorry but how can rafa take the blame for silly free kicks or penalties being given ? how can rafa take the blame for slack marking by a player ? you notice this attacking play we have employed has been against teams who arent parking the bus in front of us and have given us space to attack , also with this attacking play  you want we have conceeded 8 goals in the last couple of games .

[DrPepe]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

Correct.

The ill-advised rant (albeit silly) had nothing to do with our losing the season...and yes, to all intents and purposes Liverpool are not going to win league (bar a Utd fuck up).

Liverpool squandered a premiership lead and the potential to break free and clear, because the tactics employed were far too cautious and in the end, negative. Coupled with some dodgy decisions by Benitez and a truly redundant and generally ineffectual substitution policy...that is what has cost us the league.

I've no doubt that if we had switched to the attacking football we've been playing for the last few weeks, we'd have probably won the damn thing by now, or at least be sitting a few points clear.

our ability to gain points after going behind (11games, 22pts) and the number of points gained from games where we're drawing at HT(19 games, 39pts) suggests that our subs, or tactical changes (plus our fitness i imagine) are highly effectual


It's the starting line ups that it all up 

[tonyeh]

so its down to rafa then not the individual errors ? im sorry but how can rafa take the blame for silly free kicks or penalties being given ? how can rafa take the blame for slack marking by a player ? you notice this attacking play we have employed has been against teams who arent parking the bus in front of us and have given us space to attack , also with this attacking play  you want we have conceeded 8 goals in the last couple of games .

Yes, against ARSENAL and CHELSEA.

Two of the best sides in the Premiership.

The switch has also yielded 8 goals for Liverpool. A side, who previously in the year would be doing well to get a sigle goal out of a game.

Overall, it was the negative approach that has cost us.

If teh switch to the attacking football we've been playing since the Madrid game had been done earlier, we'd have had more time to refine the approach and deal with the obvious problems that come from a switch in playing style.

I also believe we would have won most of our silly draws.

[DrPepe]

so its down to rafa then not the individual errors ? im sorry but how can rafa take the blame for silly free kicks or penalties being given ? how can rafa take the blame for slack marking by a player ? you notice this attacking play we have employed has been against teams who arent parking the bus in front of us and have given us space to attack , also with this attacking play  you want we have conceeded 8 goals in the last couple of games .

Yes, against ARSENAL and CHELSEA.

Two of the best sides in the Premiership.

The switch has also yielded 8 goals for Liverpool. A side, who previously in the year would be doing well to get a sigle goal out of a game.

Overall, it was the negative approach that has cost us.

If teh switch to the attacking football we've been playing since the Madrid game had been done earlier, we'd have had more time to refine the approach and deal with the obvious problems that come from a switch in playing style.

I also believe we would have won most of our silly draws.

hyperbole will get you nowhere 

[tonyeh]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

Correct.

The ill-advised rant (albeit silly) had nothing to do with our losing the season...and yes, to all intents and purposes Liverpool are not going to win league (bar a Utd fuck up).

Liverpool squandered a premiership lead and the potential to break free and clear, because the tactics employed were far too cautious and in the end, negative. Coupled with some dodgy decisions by Benitez and a truly redundant and generally ineffectual substitution policy...that is what has cost us the league.

I've no doubt that if we had switched to the attacking football we've been playing for the last few weeks, we'd have probably won the damn thing by now, or at least be sitting a few points clear.

our ability to gain points after going behind (11games, 22pts) and the number of points gained from games where we're drawing at HT(19 games, 39pts) suggests that our subs, or tactical changes (plus our fitness i imagine) are highly effectual


It's the starting line ups that it all up 

Eh, no it doesn't. Taking Robbie Keane off with a half hour to go and subbing Babel for Riera has done fuck all for Liverpool in terms of winning games...or coming back from a goal down.

[DrPepe]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

Correct.

The ill-advised rant (albeit silly) had nothing to do with our losing the season...and yes, to all intents and purposes Liverpool are not going to win league (bar a Utd fuck up).

Liverpool squandered a premiership lead and the potential to break free and clear, because the tactics employed were far too cautious and in the end, negative. Coupled with some dodgy decisions by Benitez and a truly redundant and generally ineffectual substitution policy...that is what has cost us the league.

I've no doubt that if we had switched to the attacking football we've been playing for the last few weeks, we'd have probably won the damn thing by now, or at least be sitting a few points clear.

our ability to gain points after going behind (11games, 22pts) and the number of points gained from games where we're drawing at HT(19 games, 39pts) suggests that our subs, or tactical changes (plus our fitness i imagine) are highly effectual


It's the starting line ups that it all up 

Eh, no it doesn't. Taking Robbie Keane off with a half hour to go and subbing Babel for Riera has done fuck all for Liverpool in terms of winning games...or coming back from a goal down.

give keane another half hour? wtf for?    so he can backheel  or air-kick another few nailed-on chances ?

[GYBS]

so its down to rafa then not the individual errors ? im sorry but how can rafa take the blame for silly free kicks or penalties being given ? how can rafa take the blame for slack marking by a player ? you notice this attacking play we have employed has been against teams who arent parking the bus in front of us and have given us space to attack , also with this attacking play  you want we have conceeded 8 goals in the last couple of games .

Yes, against ARSENAL and CHELSEA.

Two of the best sides in the Premiership.

The switch has also yielded 8 goals for Liverpool. A side, who previously in the year would be doing well to get a sigle goal out of a game.

Overall, it was the negative approach that has cost us.

If teh switch to the attacking football we've been playing since the Madrid game had been done earlier, we'd have had more time to refine the approach and deal with the obvious problems that come from a switch in playing style.

I also believe we would have won most of our silly draws.

but you fail to  miss the point about teams parking the bus and denying teams to play this attacking football - madrid and chelsea and arsenal made it an open game which allowed the players to go for it - the hulls , and stoke park 11 players in front of the ball denying the space to play attacking football. so you can be as attacking as you want  but it also comes down to how the other teams set up.

[GYBS]

It seems to be that most people on here blame the "rant" and selling Keane as why we lost points in January.

Absolute myth. It was a coincidence.

What has Rafa's rant got to do with Lucas giving away a ridiculous penalty in the last 10 minutes away at Wigan when we were 1-0 up and cruising? Also the rant didn't make Yossi give away a completely needless free kick and skrtel lose his man for Cahill's equaliser against Everton.

It was blown out of all proportion by the media and it's laughable. It wasn't even a rant ffs. Fergusons pop at Rafa last week was a rant. His veins were almost popping out of his head but becuse it's Fergie it's merely "mind games".

Correct.

The ill-advised rant (albeit silly) had nothing to do with our losing the season...and yes, to all intents and purposes Liverpool are not going to win league (bar a Utd fuck up).

Liverpool squandered a premiership lead and the potential to break free and clear, because the tactics employed were far too cautious and in the end, negative. Coupled with some dodgy decisions by Benitez and a truly redundant and generally ineffectual substitution policy...that is what has cost us the league.

I've no doubt that if we had switched to the attacking football we've been playing for the last few weeks, we'd have probably won the damn thing by now, or at least be sitting a few points clear.

our ability to gain points after going behind (11games, 22pts) and the number of points gained from games where we're drawing at HT(19 games, 39pts) suggests that our subs, or tactical changes (plus our fitness i imagine) are highly effectual


It's the starting line ups that it all up 

Eh, no it doesn't. Taking Robbie Keane off with a half hour to go and subbing Babel for Riera has done fuck all for Liverpool in terms of winning games...or coming back from a goal down.

so someone shows you stats that prove we have come from behind many times to win games and also turned half time draws into wins and you still deny it ? the prrof is there - how many times have we won games late on after half time and after changes have been made ? bloody plenty .

[tonyeh]

so its down to rafa then not the individual errors ? im sorry but how can rafa take the blame for silly free kicks or penalties being given ? how can rafa take the blame for slack marking by a player ? you notice this attacking play we have employed has been against teams who arent parking the bus in front of us and have given us space to attack , also with this attacking play  you want we have conceeded 8 goals in the last couple of games .

Yes, against ARSENAL and CHELSEA.

Two of the best sides in the Premiership.

The switch has also yielded 8 goals for Liverpool. A side, who previously in the year would be doing well to get a sigle goal out of a game.

Overall, it was the negative approach that has cost us.

If teh switch to the attacking football we've been playing since the Madrid game had been done earlier, we'd have had more time to refine the approach and deal with the obvious problems that come from a switch in playing style.

I also believe we would have won most of our silly draws.

but you fail to  miss the point about teams parking the bus and denying teams to play this attacking football - madrid and chelsea and arsenal made it an open game which allowed the players to go for it - the hulls , and stoke park 11 players in front of the ball denying the space to play attacking football. so you can be as attacking as you want  but it also comes down to how the other teams set up.

Playing a more of an attacking style against a team that has "parked the bus", will have more of a chance of getting a goal than hoofing the ball to a lone striker and hoping that he will get it...and not the 4 or 5 men from the opposite team.

If we played against Stoke, like we did against Arsenal or Chelsea, we'd probably have won both of those games.