Liverpool FC Forum

[worcester_red]

Where we go from here is really quite simple. Kenny and the team, and the staff have taken their stance. They believe that Saurez has been mistreated (I agree) and they are standing firm behind him. Meanwhile the press have taken a stand against Saurez (I suspect others too have taken a stand against him, namedly Manure and that lot). Unless the owners of our club step in, I don't think our stance is going to change.

So there are quite clearly two camps. Those who will stand with Saurez (Liverpool FC) and those who will stand against (Everybody else)

Time to pick where you will stand, folks. I'm with Liverpool FC. How about you?

ah the classic "you're not a real fan if you disagree" speach...


well I beleive that we've invited a whole load of Sh!te for nothing. Suarez should have been the bigger man and risen above it. Shaken his hand and moved on as Kenny said he would before the match

Haha, is that the new insult? To accuse someone of accusing you of not supporting your team? Smart.

its not an insult lad, it's interpreting your post.  I've outlined my stance....so does that mean i'm against the club?

It depends. Your opinion is one thing. Your stance is another. Your opinion is against, and you're at liberty to do that. But Liverpool stand with Saurez. You stand with him as one of us, or you stand against him as ..one of the rest. Up to you. One we're all united in our camps, we can move forwards, rather than having all of these stragglers in between who wish to kick our player out at Fergies suggestion and yet support LFC.

Is it impossible to be against Suarez but for the club?

[RedAnt]

Views and actions are two seperate things. Where do we go from here? At some point we need to move forwards. To move forwards we need to unite. If the club backs Saurez as one of our players, then we must all back him. You can't select the parts you wish to support. You might not agree with the decision, but will you back it if it's what our team chooses to do? Because that's what they've chosen.

[7_Kewell]

Views and actions are two seperate things. Where do we go from here? At some point we need to move forwards. To move forwards we need to unite. If the club backs Saurez as one of our players, then we must all back him. You can't select the parts you wish to support. You might not agree with the decision, but will you back it if it's what our team chooses to do? Because that's what they've chosen.

how far do we back him?  Off a cliff?

[worcester_red]

Views and actions are two seperate things. Where do we go from here? At some point we need to move forwards. To move forwards we need to unite. If the club backs Saurez as one of our players, then we must all back him. You can't select the parts you wish to support. You might not agree with the decision, but will you back it if it's what our team chooses to do? Because that's what they've chosen.

What if one of the players was convicted of rape or murder, would you still back him as long as he's a player with the club?

[Benny The Noon]

Views and actions are two seperate things. Where do we go from here? At some point we need to move forwards. To move forwards we need to unite. If the club backs Saurez as one of our players, then we must all back him. You can't select the parts you wish to support. You might not agree with the decision, but will you back it if it's what our team chooses to do? Because that's what they've chosen.

What if one of the players was convicted of rape or murder, would you still back him as long as he's a player with the club?

Why the hell are you talking about rape and murder !!

[worcester_red]

Views and actions are two seperate things. Where do we go from here? At some point we need to move forwards. To move forwards we need to unite. If the club backs Saurez as one of our players, then we must all back him. You can't select the parts you wish to support. You might not agree with the decision, but will you back it if it's what our team chooses to do? Because that's what they've chosen.

What if one of the players was convicted of rape or murder, would you still back him as long as he's a player with the club?

Why the hell are you talking about rape and murder !!

The question was not meant for you, mind your own business WUM.

[Benny The Noon]

Wum !! You are the one going on about rape and murder ffs . Pathetic

[maypaxvobiscum]

John Terry didn't moan like a little bitch when Bridge walked past him did he? he was man enough to accept it, instead of trying to pull the player back, just as Evra did to Suarez. Evra knew that the camera was focused on him, and he made a big deal out of it simply because he wanted to make it seem like Suarez didn't want to shake his hand, when in truth, it was Evra who was slower to accept it.

Furthermore, it is so easy to comment on how someone else should behave but take a walk in his shoes and imagine how he feels. Unjustly banned for 8 games for making a comment which is used all over his homeland, which was used by Chicarito and continues to be used today. Calling a person a Negro is far less offensive in comparison to calling him black. It's not easy to hold your emotions back when you're confronting someone whom screwed you.

I don't deny this whole matter could have been handled much better. But those who are claiming "if we were innocent, why did we not appeal" got to understand we're dealing with a different kettle of fish when it comes to the FA. Adding on to that, you have the media who are so quick to jump on Suarez's back while they stand by Terry for committing the same offense, with more concrete evidence.

Selling Suarez would be an extremely stupid move, and those who endorse it, or suggest it, are idiots. Very big idiots. I've never seen any other fan who could make such a mental suggestion to sell our best attacking player.

[worcester_red]

Wum !! You are the one going on about rape and murder ffs . Pathetic

It was a hypothetical question, and was not meant for you, now kindly mind your own fecking business. 

[worcester_red]

John Terry didn't moan like a little bitch when Bridge walked past him did he? he was man enough to accept it, instead of trying to pull the player back, just as Evra did to Suarez. Evra knew that the camera was focused on him, and he made a big deal out of it simply because he wanted to make it seem like Suarez didn't want to shake his hand, when in truth, it was Evra who was slower to accept it.

Furthermore, it is so easy to comment on how someone else should behave but take a walk in his shoes and imagine how he feels. Unjustly banned for 8 games for making a comment which is used all over his homeland, which was used by Chicarito and continues to be used today. Calling a person a Negro is far less offensive in comparison to calling him black. It's not easy to hold your emotions back when you're confronting someone whom screwed you.

I don't deny this whole matter could have been handled much better. But those who are claiming "if we were innocent, why did we not appeal" got to understand we're dealing with a different kettle of fish when it comes to the FA. Adding on to that, you have the media who are so quick to jump on Suarez's back while they stand by Terry for committing the same offense, with more concrete evidence.

Selling Suarez would be an extremely stupid move, and those who endorse it, or suggest it, are idiots. Very big idiots. I've never seen any other fan who could make such a mental suggestion to sell our best attacking player.

The Terry Bridge thing was completely different as everyone knew that Terry was in the wrong, with the Suarez Evra incident everyone perceived it as Suarez being in the wrong, as he had been given the ban by an FA panel therefore Evra was the victim. I'm not saying this is right or fair but it's how all neutrals perceived it, that's why it was wrong of Suarez not to man up and shake Evra's hand.

[maypaxvobiscum]

John Terry didn't moan like a little bitch when Bridge walked past him did he? he was man enough to accept it, instead of trying to pull the player back, just as Evra did to Suarez. Evra knew that the camera was focused on him, and he made a big deal out of it simply because he wanted to make it seem like Suarez didn't want to shake his hand, when in truth, it was Evra who was slower to accept it.

Furthermore, it is so easy to comment on how someone else should behave but take a walk in his shoes and imagine how he feels. Unjustly banned for 8 games for making a comment which is used all over his homeland, which was used by Chicarito and continues to be used today. Calling a person a Negro is far less offensive in comparison to calling him black. It's not easy to hold your emotions back when you're confronting someone whom screwed you.

I don't deny this whole matter could have been handled much better. But those who are claiming "if we were innocent, why did we not appeal" got to understand we're dealing with a different kettle of fish when it comes to the FA. Adding on to that, you have the media who are so quick to jump on Suarez's back while they stand by Terry for committing the same offense, with more concrete evidence.

Selling Suarez would be an extremely stupid move, and those who endorse it, or suggest it, are idiots. Very big idiots. I've never seen any other fan who could make such a mental suggestion to sell our best attacking player.

The Terry Bridge thing was completely different as everyone knew that Terry was in the wrong, with the Suarez Evra incident everyone perceived it as Suarez being in the wrong, as he had been given the ban by an FA panel therefore Evra was the victim. I'm not saying this is right or fair but it's how all neutrals perceived it, that's why it was wrong of Suarez not to man up and shake Evra's hand.

but come on mate, you can't deny that the media's treatment of Suarez and Terry are worlds apart? plus, no one is talking about Rio's snub, and Evra's celebration in front of Suarez is merely briefly mentioned.

[Thommo's perm]

We do not answer specific questions. Keep our head down and play daft. Focus on the football. The cups and the league. Do not discuss Suarez or Evra. Make one statement which states that Ferguson in effect has the audacity and brass neck to be telling LFC to get rid of a player for disgraceful behaviour when his club, under his manager has had decade after decade of the worst behaviour ever seen in football. KK should come out publicly and tell purple nose to shut his Fu*king trap and concentrate on his own business. After that he should focus on becoming jovial, witty and charming.
We, as supporters should stop arguing over the rights and wrongs and listening to biased and jealous reporters or rival fans. We must be unified in our belief that LFC is bigger than individual trivial spats and look at establishing ourselves as the top club in the world.
Things are only important if you make them important.
It really is that simple.

[worcester_red]

John Terry didn't moan like a little bitch when Bridge walked past him did he? he was man enough to accept it, instead of trying to pull the player back, just as Evra did to Suarez. Evra knew that the camera was focused on him, and he made a big deal out of it simply because he wanted to make it seem like Suarez didn't want to shake his hand, when in truth, it was Evra who was slower to accept it.

Furthermore, it is so easy to comment on how someone else should behave but take a walk in his shoes and imagine how he feels. Unjustly banned for 8 games for making a comment which is used all over his homeland, which was used by Chicarito and continues to be used today. Calling a person a Negro is far less offensive in comparison to calling him black. It's not easy to hold your emotions back when you're confronting someone whom screwed you.

I don't deny this whole matter could have been handled much better. But those who are claiming "if we were innocent, why did we not appeal" got to understand we're dealing with a different kettle of fish when it comes to the FA. Adding on to that, you have the media who are so quick to jump on Suarez's back while they stand by Terry for committing the same offense, with more concrete evidence.

Selling Suarez would be an extremely stupid move, and those who endorse it, or suggest it, are idiots. Very big idiots. I've never seen any other fan who could make such a mental suggestion to sell our best attacking player.

The Terry Bridge thing was completely different as everyone knew that Terry was in the wrong, with the Suarez Evra incident everyone perceived it as Suarez being in the wrong, as he had been given the ban by an FA panel therefore Evra was the victim. I'm not saying this is right or fair but it's how all neutrals perceived it, that's why it was wrong of Suarez not to man up and shake Evra's hand.

but come on mate, you can't deny that the media's treatment of Suarez and Terry are worlds apart? plus, no one is talking about Rio's snub, and Evra's celebration in front of Suarez is merely briefly mentioned.

Yes they are talking about Evra's post match celebrations and even Fergie admits that was wrong. As for Ferdinand, you can better explain his reaction, if I was him in the heat of the moment I probably would have refused to shake Suarez's hand as well, but for Suarez to lie to Kenny, refuse to shake Evra's hand and disgrace our club is inexcusable.

BTW I seem to recall that there was quite a lot of attention on Terry before that non handshake but because Bridge was seen as the victim it was more ok.

[worcester_red]

We do not answer specific questions. Keep our head down and play daft. Focus on the football. The cups and the league. Do not discuss Suarez or Evra. Make one statement which states that Ferguson in effect has the audacity and brass neck to be telling LFC to get rid of a player for disgraceful behaviour when his club, under his manager has had decade after decade of the worst behaviour ever seen in football. KK should come out publicly and tell purple nose to shut his Fu*king trap and concentrate on his own business. After that he should focus on becoming jovial, witty and charming.
We, as supporters should stop arguing over the rights and wrongs and listening to biased and jealous reporters or rival fans. We must be unified in our belief that LFC is bigger than individual trivial spats and look at establishing ourselves as the top club in the world.
Things are only important if you make them important.
It really is that simple.

i agree with telling Fergie to mind his own business but Kenny also has to acknowledge that Suarez did wrong and Suarez should come out and apologise to Evra, that it the only way to rescue any dignity from this mess.

[Greavesie]

I agree with the above, the neutrals will believe what they are spoon fed. I personally hold the media and the FA the most accountable. Why the FA didn't just release a statement at the same time his punishment was announced I have no idea. They should have highlighted that Suarez used a word that is ok for him to use in his culture,, they rejected that and think he should be punished because of his reckless use of the word. At least something along those lines would have at least made people aware of what he was being punished for. Instead everyone has went with 'he admitted to racially abusing Evra on 7 occations'. Horse sh!t, absolute garbage, and the problem with that is the more you hear it the more staunch any defence of Suarez will get

The fact that the FA planned on introducing multi cultural lessons to foreign players highlights to me that they accepted Suarez' version of events, which I found quite bizarre given the verdict they reached in his particular case. Furthermore, the FA protected Terry from the media lark and left Suarez in the cold. It's hugely ironice that they would leave the foreigner out in the cold but protect the Englishman as far as they can...