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[Big Niall]

Masch didn't look too respectful of Benitez when he was substituted (especially when krap like Lucas was still on). We have already seen SG and Torres look puzzled as to what is going on his head.

If I was a top player, I'd be out of LFC in a flash. The manager is a chump.

[red37]

If I was a top player, I'd be out of LFC in a flash. The manager is a chump.

How about you could console yourself with simply being removed from newkit - 'in a flash' should you persist. You add zero value to this place.

Tensions are running extremely high, we are all pi55ed off and what are you bringing to the table?  Nothing but insults, negative drivel an unhealthy perversion to highlight anything which would undermine Rafa Benitez and a 'persona' which defies all sense of belief that you are infact a genuine Liverpool supporter, because you certainly are the antithesis of that providence....I'm sick of reading you.

Final warning Niall - one more (and ive already read the other posts you made) you're out.

[zarababe]

If I was a top player, I'd be out of LFC in a flash. The manager is a chump.

How about you could console yourself with simply being removed from newkit - 'in a flash' should you persist. You add zero value to this place.

Tensions are running extremely high, we are all pi55ed off and what are you bringing to the table?  Nothing but insults, negative drivel an unhealthy perversion to highlight anything which would undermine Rafa Benitez and a 'persona' which defies all sense of belief that you are infact a genuine Liverpool supporter, because you certainly are the antithesis of that providence....I'm sick of reading you.

Final warning Niall - one more (and ive already read the other posts you made) you're out.

Here here..

[zarababe]

Now Im walking in hoping we dont hand that purple nose tw@t his crowning glory to have finally "knocked us off our Fu*king perch".

unbelievable - that is truly a disgraceful remark - TAKE IT BACK 

[account deleted by request]

Now Im walking in hoping we dont hand that purple nose tw@t his crowning glory to have finally "knocked us off our Fu*king perch".

unbelievable - that is truly a disgraceful remark - TAKE IT BACK 

  he's talking about Fergie not Rafa 

[zarababe]

OH SOZ - APOLOGIES

thanks saint

[red37]

[Raoul]

Really? Be interesting to hear why you say that?

because all had to be sold to raise money or bring money back into the club, I'm not saying rafa gets off scott free but the reason we have have a bench like we do is simple.

Lack of funds

I disagree completely.

- Crouch fell foul of Benitez during his final season and a half at the club. He simply couldn't get a game. The writing was n the wall when Rafa persisted with Kuyt upfront on his own for 80 minutes and us 1-0 down in the 2007 Champions League final. Crouch finally made it on to the pitch when they scored their 2nd goal. The following season he barely played once we signed Torres, not even when Torres was rested. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club.

- Bellamy, yes the golf club incident had to be a factor but there's no getting away from the fact he was a very dangerous player at Blackburn before we bought him and he is a very dangerous at City since we sold him. Rafa didn't know how to use him. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club.

- Keane, The most bizarre transfer Rafa has made in his time at LFC. Sure the player didn't set the place a light but Rafa's handling of the player was way out of left-field for much of the time. Hauling him off after 60-70 mins when the lad was a hatrick at West Brom, benching the player for the following game springs to mind as one example. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club, more likely the embarrassment of spending so much on the lad in the first place.

I understood Crouch reasons, cos he was thinking he won't get in the team with Torres. Torres first season he wasn't getting injured every month.

Maybe management skills was pity poor dealing with Bellamy. After the accident he played awsome against Barca then left him out a week following. Bellamy complained bout being an unused sub in champs league final 2007. Mostly every1 was. Bellamy was sold for funding Torres. Maybe? we never know, but it looks clearly as the new yank owners had no money and we thought they did.

Keane was hot and cold... All strikers are hot or cold. Why sell him in Jan when we was on top by 4,5 points??? When sold, we didn't sign a replacement.[/quote]
When we play one up front, it is going to be hard to keep other strikers happy, and so Crouch moved on. I don't blame Rafa for that, even if I wanted Crouch playing more than he did.

I keep reading that Bellamy was sold to fund Torres' arrival. If that is true, then that wasn't a bad bit of business. Golf clubs probably didn't help. My recollection of Bellamy is that he spent half the game getting caught off-side. I haven't missed him TBH.

Keane. He was a flop, but Rafa didn't use him like he should have. I think that one has to be chalked down as very poor management by Rafa - or else a pretty despicable treatment of a player to advance his own agenda with the owners/Parry.

The way we play, with one up front, means that we need one quality back up striker that is either willing to wait for their turn (and top ones won't), or be able to play in the hole (but with Gerrard, Aquilani, Benayoun, Maxi and Pacheco, that is hardly a need) or out wide - and that is who we need - a winger/striker of quality.

[Greavesie]

- some of us got excited about an increasingly weak European competiton we dropped into and the final of which will be contested by teams 10th and 12th in their respective leagues

this is absolute bollox. Show me a post where someone was happy and exited to be in this competition

People said we could try and win it because we're in it - not that they were particularly pleased we were there

[Scottbot]

Really? Be interesting to hear why you say that?

because all had to be sold to raise money or bring money back into the club, I'm not saying rafa gets off scott free but the reason we have have a bench like we do is simple.

Lack of funds

I disagree completely.

- Crouch fell foul of Benitez during his final season and a half at the club. He simply couldn't get a game. The writing was n the wall when Rafa persisted with Kuyt upfront on his own for 80 minutes and us 1-0 down in the 2007 Champions League final. Crouch finally made it on to the pitch when they scored their 2nd goal. The following season he barely played once we signed Torres, not even when Torres was rested. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club.

- Bellamy, yes the golf club incident had to be a factor but there's no getting away from the fact he was a very dangerous player at Blackburn before we bought him and he is a very dangerous at City since we sold him. Rafa didn't know how to use him. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club.

- Keane, The most bizarre transfer Rafa has made in his time at LFC. Sure the player didn't set the place a light but Rafa's handling of the player was way out of left-field for much of the time. Hauling him off after 60-70 mins when the lad was a hatrick at West Brom, benching the player for the following game springs to mind as one example. I don't believe the pressures to raise money were at the forefront of his departure from the club, more likely the embarrassment of spending so much on the lad in the first place.

I understood Crouch reasons, cos he was thinking he won't get in the team with Torres. Torres first season he wasn't getting injured every month.

Maybe management skills was pity poor dealing with Bellamy. After the accident he played awsome against Barca then left him out a week following. Bellamy complained bout being an unused sub in champs league final 2007. Mostly every1 was. Bellamy was sold for funding Torres. Maybe? we never know, but it looks clearly as the new yank owners had no money and we thought they did.

Keane was hot and cold... All strikers are hot or cold. Why sell him in Jan when we was on top by 4,5 points??? When sold, we didn't sign a replacement.

When we play one up front, it is going to be hard to keep other strikers happy, and so Crouch moved on. I don't blame Rafa for that, even if I wanted Crouch playing more than he did.

I keep reading that Bellamy was sold to fund Torres' arrival. If that is true, then that wasn't a bad bit of business. Golf clubs probably didn't help. My recollection of Bellamy is that he spent half the game getting caught off-side. I haven't missed him TBH.

Keane. He was a flop, but Rafa didn't use him like he should have. I think that one has to be chalked down as very poor management by Rafa - or else a pretty despicable treatment of a player to advance his own agenda with the owners/Parry.

The way we play, with one up front, means that we need one quality back up striker that is either willing to wait for their turn (and top ones won't), or be able to play in the hole (but with Gerrard, Aquilani, Benayoun, Maxi and Pacheco, that is hardly a need) or out wide - and that is who we need - a winger/striker of quality.[/quote]
Agree completely on the winger/striker hybrid. The problem is Rafa thinks he has that player already in Kuyt who (lets be honest here) is woeful as a lone frontman and decent (but not good enough) as an inside-right in Rafa's 4-2-3-1. We certainly (if Rafa stays) need a player who can play all 4 forward roles in that front 4. Incidentally that is the role Bellamy has been playing successfully for City this season. Babel has the skill set to do it but Rafa (I think) pigeon holes players and refuses to give it a try. It's this lack of flexibility, continuing to try the same thing over and over again that has cost us big this season.

[Sir Roger]

Now Im walking in hoping we dont hand that purple nose tw@t his crowning glory to have finally "knocked us off our Fu*king perch".

unbelievable - that is truly a disgraceful remark - TAKE IT BACK 

WTF!!

Cool down Kitten

[Sir Roger]

All of the above I agree with mate (well just about all), but I can't agree that last night we went out with a whimper. I actually found myself asking during the game why on earth we couldn't show the same amount of passion, drive and attacking intent in much more of our matches. How on Earth could we not have a shot over there, but have about six in the first five minutes at Anfield?

Last night we did well, we won the match and we gave it everything. I can't agree that we just went out without a fight.

The arguments which are raging on on other threads about whose fault it is that we haven't got a stronger bench etc have been done to death and I can't really be bothered to get into it again.

I was more referring to the supporters than the team. The team did try hard and for what its worth played well at times (especially AA). Unfortunately we were undone again by players playing out of position, therefore not confident and eventually being caught out and punished.
On the positive side we can see clearly who should stay and who should go...

[ironman]

If I was a top player, I'd be out of LFC in a flash. The manager is a chump.

How about you could console yourself with simply being removed from newkit - 'in a flash' should you persist. You add zero value to this place.

Tensions are running extremely high, we are all pi55ed off and what are you bringing to the table?  Nothing but insults, negative drivel an unhealthy perversion to highlight anything which would undermine Rafa Benitez and a 'persona' which defies all sense of belief that you are infact a genuine Liverpool supporter, because you certainly are the antithesis of that providence....I'm sick of reading you.

Final warning Niall - one more (and ive already read the other posts you made) you're out.

Red, i understand im only new to these forums as im only up and running with internet. I certanly dont want to rock any boats, but is this a Rafa supporters forum or LFC? I have supported the reds from i can remember and im 38 now.. I am not happy at all that our great club is heading in a very dangerous direction, and i put this SOLELY down to our manager, he has lived off the CL now for long enough and as a supporter i feel we need someone to come in a blow some life back into our great club, me writing this is not intended to undermine Rafa, but i am entitled to my opinion as you are with yours. I believe our manager has purchased players not even close to being good enough for us and likes to lay blame at alot of other peoples door instead of taking responsibility. Our style of play goes against everything about our great past teams, and now he tells us our expectations were to high at the start of this season?? i will never be disrespectful to him personally but i have noticed that there are alot of people on this forum who feel its time for change... Change isnt always a bad thing Red..

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Hopefully the problem is with people calling the manager names Ironman and not with people expressing their opinion about Rafa's capabilities.

[Bad Bob]

If I was a top player, I'd be out of LFC in a flash. The manager is a chump.

How about you could console yourself with simply being removed from newkit - 'in a flash' should you persist. You add zero value to this place.

Tensions are running extremely high, we are all pi55ed off and what are you bringing to the table?  Nothing but insults, negative drivel an unhealthy perversion to highlight anything which would undermine Rafa Benitez and a 'persona' which defies all sense of belief that you are infact a genuine Liverpool supporter, because you certainly are the antithesis of that providence....I'm sick of reading you.

Final warning Niall - one more (and ive already read the other posts you made) you're out.

Red, i understand im only new to these forums as im only up and running with internet. I certanly dont want to rock any boats, but is this a Rafa supporters forum or LFC? I have supported the reds from i can remember and im 38 now.. I am not happy at all that our great club is heading in a very dangerous direction, and i put this SOLELY down to our manager, he has lived off the CL now for long enough and as a supporter i feel we need someone to come in a blow some life back into our great club, me writing this is not intended to undermine Rafa, but i am entitled to my opinion as you are with yours. I believe our manager has purchased players not even close to being good enough for us and likes to lay blame at alot of other peoples door instead of taking responsibility. Our style of play goes against everything about our great past teams, and now he tells us our expectations were to high at the start of this season?? i will never be disrespectful to him personally but i have noticed that there are alot of people on this forum who feel its time for change... Change isnt always a bad thing Red..

It's about the name-calling, mate, not the opinion that it's time to get rid.  I happen to share that opinion but calling the manager a chump, clown, idiot, fat Spanish waiter etc. isn't on.