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Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Subs:

Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Degen, El Zhar, Ayala, Ngog.


Its just pathetic - I know there were a few injuries but even still

That bench must have a grand total value of about 10 million or less going by what they cost. I think the keeper cost us the most. United can have Nani or Berbatov on the bench. Grand total cost - 47 million...for two players. Even though Berbatov is a waster, goes to show the sheer clout in the gulf of spending. Overpriced? Of course. But the day Liverpool FC starts acting in the transfer market in the way it should be acting by actually looking like a club that means business with intent, then that's the day we actually look like moving forward and winning big honours. This drip feed bollox is killing this football club stone dead. And before I'm pounced on, I'm not talking about selling a 10 million pounds value player for 30 million and being able to spend only a fraction of that either. That is not acceptable for a club of our size. We should be spending 30 million on any given target with no questions asked instead of actually having to generate it through sales of valued squad members.

And what about when they had to play Carrick at CB. All teams have injuries, ours just came at a bad time.

[LFC ANIME]

Are there bets going for next season? I will put £20 tomorrow for Liverpool to win the League or Cup 10/11.

[Emerald Red]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Subs:

Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Degen, El Zhar, Ayala, Ngog.


Its just pathetic - I know there were a few injuries but even still

Injuries?What should Arsenal say?

What's Arsenal got anything to do with what DD wrote? Arsenal are another side that needs to wake up. Unless Wenger decides to break the bank, they'll be like us only not as bad. They need a Mascherano. How much would Masch cost them? See, people who are saying spending big money on players doesn't matter. It obviously does. The best cost money. We need the best. Simple as that.

[Emerald Red]

Are there bets going for next season? I will put £20 tomorrow for Liverpool to win the League or Cup 10/11.

Love yer optimism. It's a dogfight for fourth again, regardless of who is in charge. Any bets going for that? Take it.

[metalhead]

Wasnt a bad display and on a different night we probably would have gone through..
Ultimately, it came down to the finer details..
Johnson at left back and Mascherano at right back were poor decisions imo.. Johnson did little going forward and despite having a quiet night for 90 or so minutes (largely due to the effort put in by Babel), his poor defensive awareness in one situation cost us a spot in the final.. Mascherano to me was also partly at fault for the goal... He failed to pick up Forlan on the far post ...
When it comes to the substitutions, our bench tonight was poor by any standard... However, the managers decision to take off Aquilani (who was probably our best performer on the night) was baffling to say the least.. He didnt look tired to me and was still moving around the pitch and getting involved until he was taken off.. Thought we should have pressed on with the same lineup for as long as possible... Any change imo should have been tactical with a change of shape or formation resulting..

At 1-0, we should have pressed harder in the second half to try and put the tie to bed before extra time... knowing what our bench looked like..
At 2-0, we could have made our subs and tried to be tight at the back instead of focusing as much as we did on playing the counter...

Anyways... A lot of rebuilding to do in the summer... This whole season was a mess and i really dont think winning the Europa league would have changed anything in that regard...

Aqua looked knackered to me, Johnson did a good job at left back until the error other than that I agree

[Emerald Red]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Subs:

Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Degen, El Zhar, Ayala, Ngog.


Its just pathetic - I know there were a few injuries but even still

That bench must have a grand total value of about 10 million or less going by what they cost. I think the keeper cost us the most. United can have Nani or Berbatov on the bench. Grand total cost - 47 million...for two players. Even though Berbatov is a waster, goes to show the sheer clout in the gulf of spending. Overpriced? Of course. But the day Liverpool FC starts acting in the transfer market in the way it should be acting by actually looking like a club that means business with intent, then that's the day we actually look like moving forward and winning big honours. This drip feed bollox is killing this football club stone dead. And before I'm pounced on, I'm not talking about selling a 10 million pounds value player for 30 million and being able to spend only a fraction of that either. That is not acceptable for a club of our size. We should be spending 30 million on any given target with no questions asked instead of actually having to generate it through sales of valued squad members.

And what about when they had to play Carrick at CB. All teams have injuries, ours just came at a bad time.

Yeah, but they still coped, S@int. That's the difference between the two sides IMO. If we get a few injuries to key players, we can't cope. A few more quality players for us this season in the summer would have made a massive difference to our season IMO. The Yanks just didn't invest and cease on the opportunity to strengthen. Instead they seen our squad weaken and sat back and did nothing about it. You have to remember, we were a team on the brink last season. You'd think they'd show some intent and grant the manager the means to bring in several quality personal. I'm more f*cked off with them than I am with Rafa's errors this season, of which he's made quiet a few. Some, however, were no doubt forced.

[metalhead]

Disgraceful really.

Im ashamed. Nowhere near good enough for a club like LFC.

manager got to go. No trophies in 5 seasons. not even a carling cup!

how can some of you "die hards" keep backing Rafa after 6 seasons. He's got to go IMO. he's 80% responsible for everthing.

New owners AND manager next season Plz

Embarrassing.

disgraceful?

didn't think it was disgraceful, we deserved to win but our lack of quality brought us down.

We put in 110% effort today.

[fivecups]

ah, feck off with yers. i'm proud of the lads tonight. we played well enough and with plenty of spirit but with no real options on the bench they were always going to do us in extra time, we were knackered after 90 minutes. look in the stands and you see torres, aurelio and skrtel sitting there - 3 good players we're missing. we don't have a great strength in depth anyway but with key players out we're fecked for options on the bench.

hats off to lucas and aquilani for playing good games and to masch for doing his best out of position.

and well done fulham but i hope atleti win it

[damjan193]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Subs:

Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Degen, El Zhar, Ayala, Ngog.


Its just pathetic - I know there were a few injuries but even still

Injuries?What should Arsenal say?

What's Arsenal got anything to do with what DD wrote? Arsenal are another side that needs to wake up. Unless Wenger decides to break the bank, they'll be like us only not as bad. They need a Mascherano. How much would Masch cost them? See, people who are saying spending big money on players doesn't matter. It obviously does. The best cost money. We need the best. Simple as that.

Arsenal had Persi, Eduardo, Fabregas, Ramsey, Arshavin and maybu one or two more injured and we're bitching about a sub, one LB and one striker being out.I know that Torres being out is a big thing, but Arsenal had 3 of their strikers out and still had one to replace them.Not to mention United playing with only one LB.

[fivecups]

I actually thought we played pretty well. Aquilani was excellent and a major plus , Babel ran his socks off, Lucas was decent and all in all we gave it a really good go. You couldn't fault the effort, and had Torres been fit I'm pretty sure we would have seen them off.

I really liked their centre half too, Perea I think it was. Anyway, no shame in that performance, none at all IMHO.

Special mention to Babel indeed, excellent effort.

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And what about when they had to play Carrick at CB. All teams have injuries, ours just came at a bad time.

Yeah, but they still coped, S@int. That's the difference between the two sides IMO. If we get a few injuries to key players, we can't cope. A few more quality players for us this season in the summer would have made a massive difference to our season IMO. The Yanks just didn't invest and cease on the opportunity to strengthen. Instead they seen our squad weaken and sat back and did nothing about it. You have to remember, we were a team on the brink last season. You'd think they'd show some intent and grant the manager the means to bring in several quality personal. I'm more f*cked off with them than I am with Rafa's errors this season, of which he's made quiet a few. Some, however, were no doubt forced.[/quote]
I agree mate that a little money could have gone a long way this season, but we spent a fortune on a full back and a injured midfield player when we needed strengthening in other areas. £7 million on a overweight fullback who just wasn't good enough last season meant we went into the season with a fullback made of glass and a young player who's just not ready. Allowing Hyypia to leave meant we had to bring in the Greek, who to be fair isn't bad, but is no Sami. Degen was a mistake again from last year. Falling out with Riera has again cost us, selling Keane left us with N'gog as our reserve striker.

So for me we are paying the price for not only his mistakes this year, but for the mistakes he made last year as well.

We have had injuries, but so do all teams, you have to try to overcome them, but allied to Rafa's mistakes they perhaps became unsurmountable.

[Scottbot]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Course we could have had the likes of Bellamy, Crouch and Keane sitting on our bench tonight.

[Scottbot]

And what about when they had to play Carrick at CB. All teams have injuries, ours just came at a bad time.

Yeah, but they still coped, S@int. That's the difference between the two sides IMO. If we get a few injuries to key players, we can't cope. A few more quality players for us this season in the summer would have made a massive difference to our season IMO. The Yanks just didn't invest and cease on the opportunity to strengthen. Instead they seen our squad weaken and sat back and did nothing about it. You have to remember, we were a team on the brink last season. You'd think they'd show some intent and grant the manager the means to bring in several quality personal. I'm more f*cked off with them than I am with Rafa's errors this season, of which he's made quiet a few. Some, however, were no doubt forced.

I agree mate that a little money could have gone a long way this season, but we spent a fortune on a full back and a injured midfield player when we needed strengthening in other areas. £7 million on a overweight fullback who just wasn't good enough last season meant we went into the season with a fullback made of glass and a young player who's just not ready. Allowing Hyypia to leave meant we had to bring in the Greek, who to be fair isn't bad, but is no Sami. Degen was a mistake again from last year. Falling out with Riera has again cost us, selling Keane left us with N'gog as our reserve striker.

So for me we are paying the price for not only his mistakes this year, but for the mistakes he made last year as well.

We have had injuries, but so do all teams, you have to try to overcome them, but allied to Rafa's mistakes they perhaps became unsurmountable.[/quote]
Is a good balanced post mate.

I sense tonight's bench is being picked up and used as some sort of stick to hit the owners and vindicate Rafa all at the same time, neat and tidy like. It's not your fault Rafa lad, look at that bench.

If I owned Liverpool Football club and Rafa came to me asking for £18-20 million to buy a player this summer I don't think I could bring myself to give him the dosh.

[roberto green]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Course we could have had the likes of Bellamy, Crouch and Keane sitting on our bench tonight.

look no further than the owners for that

[Emerald Red]

Fair play to the players out there tonight, they did try their best but we were lacking in quality something serious, we offered nothing going forward. Naturally we were missing Torres but the amount of times we played the ball forward and then had to come back with it again because there wasn't another forward pass on was alarming.

Our bench was like something you would see in League 1 and be that the fault of the manager or the owners its nowhere near good enough for a club like ours. Fair play to Atletico Madrid they came and done what they had to do and for me where the better team. Good luck to Fulham I hope they go on to win it

Worst bench I've seen since...well...possibly since I've started supporting this club. Is it coincidence that the quality of our bench started to decline since the vermin took over? I dare say that any manager with a bit of cash to be able to spend would have a better option than Degen. I mean, come on. Bar Pachecho, that bench comprised of dead wood that shouldn't be anywhere near the first team, when we should really have player of much better quality. I mean, I look at United and Chelsea's bench and they've 20 million pound players in most positions for back up. Back ups!

Subs:

Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, Pacheco, Degen, El Zhar, Ayala, Ngog.


Its just pathetic - I know there were a few injuries but even still

Injuries?What should Arsenal say?

What's Arsenal got anything to do with what DD wrote? Arsenal are another side that needs to wake up. Unless Wenger decides to break the bank, they'll be like us only not as bad. They need a Mascherano. How much would Masch cost them? See, people who are saying spending big money on players doesn't matter. It obviously does. The best cost money. We need the best. Simple as that.

Arsenal had Persi, Eduardo, Fabregas, Ramsey, Arshavin and maybu one or two more injured and we're bitching about a sub, one LB and one striker being out.I know that Torres being out is a big thing, but Arsenal had 3 of their strikers out and still had one to replace them.Not to mention United playing with only one LB.

Lat time I checked, this was a Liverpool forum. So why are you banging on about Arsenal's inury list when the fact is ours earlier in the season were a nightmare. If they do have persistent injuries then agaiin that just emphasises my point of them not spending to replace with adequate depth for them to cope. They are like us last season in that they are just short of quality back-ups for them to make the final push for the title, be it due to injuries or not. I recall them p*ssing away a 2 goal lead not so long ago. They need at least a world class centre back, and a holding midfielder a'la Mascherano to protect their back line.