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[Bad Bob]

Totally agree Bob. FWIW I previously valued him at 3 million and got hauled in by the militia for my cheek. I was lucky to escape alive once they spotted that I'd also said Alonso was worth early teens.

I maybe a man of principal and all that old b0ll0cks, but I've also got this self preservationist streak running through me as well. So once a couple of the Zanu PF put a gun to me head and said "go on, mention rotation one more time you feckface and you're dead" I changed my tune just in time. Alonso I'd now take low TO MID teens for, and after his hugely impressive performances in the Euro's Kuyts valuation has shot up to seven million. Euros of course   

I wouldn't be surprised if I valued him at 2-3 million not to long ago either, mate (someone will no doubt drag out that Kuyt, How Much? poll soon for us all to laugh at).  Not that I was wrong back then but, given that it's silly season and the Euros are driving prices up, we've got to mark Dirk up to the going rate.  So, I'd say 7-8 million pounds should be our basement price if someone comes in for him.  If they're not convinced, stick a compilation video of his games against Arsenal, Chelsea (CL), Italy, France and Romania in their hand and tell them to get serious if they want our "prized asset".  If someone wanted to pay us that much for him, I'd sell.  Any lower and I'd be tempted to give him another season to see what he could offer at RM.

[Toffeehater]

Kuyt is not a natural winger clearly , he is a striker who has been converted into playing in the right wing area . He has done good since moving that the postion , 11 goals in total for the season , with 7 assist in the premier league and not too sure about the champions league , plus he adds that little something extra that you don't normally get from players in that position , excellent work rate and attitude , if we don't sign a right winger this season , i think kuyt has earned at least 1 more season in that role before we decide if he has done good or bad and deserves to be sold or is a squad player at best or one to start in the 11

He's a striker that was converted to play the wing area? Come on, I think we've all noticed that. But he his a natural winger, he's got the talent and qualities for it. He doesn't have the homosexual flair that certain other wingers have, but he's still a top quality wing player

He is NOT a natural winger , Hee does not do fancy skills , can't dribble that well , look at proper wingers like quaresma , ronaldo , robben , silva just to name a  few . He has done well on the wing but he is not a natural winger .  His crossing and goal ratio is decent from the wing and his work rate is brilliant

If you are playing wing and you get the job done, and add a little bit more to affect the game. You're a damn good winger. The fact that he does this when spontaneously being assigned as the winger, makes him a natural. All the footwork is for players who are either not aggressive enough to get through or need to change plans while running. Kuyt usually knows what he's going to do the minute he gets the ball so I don't see why he needs to dance like Cristiana

All i can say is that you are ana idiot or too young and naive if you think that kuyt is a natural winger , he is a natural striker before a winger , but he has adapted there well . Secondly , all that dancing has got him 40+ goals this season and a 75 million offer from real madrid .

[7_Kewell]

i don't doubt Kuyt is a good stirker....sadly he's too slow for the Premiership and he reminds me of Morientes in his inability to cope with Premiership defenders.  Yeah, he's done a job out wide, but he's not a natural winger and he's not really good enough for LFC.

If we can get our money back with his performances for Holland i think we should cash in

[SundanceKid]

Kuyt is not a natural winger clearly , he is a striker who has been converted into playing in the right wing area . He has done good since moving that the postion , 11 goals in total for the season , with 7 assist in the premier league and not too sure about the champions league , plus he adds that little something extra that you don't normally get from players in that position , excellent work rate and attitude , if we don't sign a right winger this season , i think kuyt has earned at least 1 more season in that role before we decide if he has done good or bad and deserves to be sold or is a squad player at best or one to start in the 11

He's a striker that was converted to play the wing area? Come on, I think we've all noticed that. But he his a natural winger, he's got the talent and qualities for it. He doesn't have the homosexual flair that certain other wingers have, but he's still a top quality wing player

He is NOT a natural winger , Hee does not do fancy skills , can't dribble that well , look at proper wingers like quaresma , ronaldo , robben , silva just to name a  few . He has done well on the wing but he is not a natural winger .  His crossing and goal ratio is decent from the wing and his work rate is brilliant

If you are playing wing and you get the job done, and add a little bit more to affect the game. You're a damn good winger. The fact that he does this when spontaneously being assigned as the winger, makes him a natural. All the footwork is for players who are either not aggressive enough to get through or need to change plans while running. Kuyt usually knows what he's going to do the minute he gets the ball so I don't see why he needs to dance like Cristiana

All i can say is that you are ana idiot or too young and naive if you think that kuyt is a natural winger , he is a natural striker before a winger , but he has adapted there well . Secondly , all that dancing has got him 40+ goals this season and a 75 million offer from real madrid .

No, all that dancing is his way of getting an easy free kick in a dangerous position. As for the 40 goals, he has set plays to thank for that.

The only argument you have to Kuyt being a natural winger is that he doesn't do fancy tricks. And ironically you call me naive.

[Sabre]

No, all that dancing is his way of getting an easy free kick in a dangerous position. As for the 40 goals, he has set plays to thank for that. In fact, they probably don't think much about it.

The only argument you have to Kuyt being a natural winger is that he doesn't do fancy tricks. And ironically you call me naive.

The dancing, or the skillful dribbling is not the art of changing your mind, but the art of  deceiving the opponent. Top Dribblers know to do it with their head up, not even having to look where the ball is. They don't change their mind.

And it's an important aspect of football, you might notice that the most great players of all history were good at this art.

Of course it has not to be overrated, certainly Germany shows us that strenght, tactics, and mindset are as important every 2 years. But Brazil wouldn't have been world champions so many times if that art wasn't important in this game.

[SundanceKid]

i don't doubt Kuyt is a good stirker....sadly he's too slow for the Premiership and he reminds me of Morientes in his inability to cope with Premiership defenders.  Yeah, he's done a job out wide, but he's not a natural winger and he's not really good enough for LFC.

If we can get our money back with his performances for Holland i think we should cash in

He's an amazing striker. He scored 70 goals in 100 games at Feyenoord [sp?]. He's just not built to play striker for Premiership.

But it's not a bad thing if you're willing to accept he's a natural winger. 

[Rush Job]

Totally agree Bob. FWIW I previously valued him at 3 million and got hauled in by the militia for my cheek. I was lucky to escape alive once they spotted that I'd also said Alonso was worth early teens.

I maybe a man of principal and all that old b0ll0cks, but I've also got this self preservationist streak running through me as well. So once a couple of the Zanu PF put a gun to me head and said "go on, mention rotation one more time you feckface and you're dead" I changed my tune just in time. Alonso I'd now take low TO MID teens for, and after his hugely impressive performances in the Euro's Kuyts valuation has shot up to seven million. Euros of course   

I wouldn't be surprised if I valued him at 2-3 million not to long ago either, mate (someone will no doubt drag out that Kuyt, How Much? poll soon for us all to laugh at).  Not that I was wrong back then but, given that it's silly season and the Euros are driving prices up, we've got to mark Dirk up to the going rate.  So, I'd say 7-8 million pounds should be our basement price if someone comes in for him.  If they're not convinced, stick a compilation video of his games against Arsenal, Chelsea (CL), Italy, France and Romania in their hand and tell them to get serious if they want our "prized asset".  If someone wanted to pay us that much for him, I'd sell.  Any lower and I'd be tempted to give him another season to see what he could offer at RM.

Or heres a wacky idea, you could just admit you were wrong along with all the other fickle posters on here, he's more or less held his worth.

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Totally agree Bob. FWIW I previously valued him at 3 million and got hauled in by the militia for my cheek. I was lucky to escape alive once they spotted that I'd also said Alonso was worth early teens.

I maybe a man of principal and all that old b0ll0cks, but I've also got this self preservationist streak running through me as well. So once a couple of the Zanu PF put a gun to me head and said "go on, mention rotation one more time you feckface and you're dead" I changed my tune just in time. Alonso I'd now take low TO MID teens for, and after his hugely impressive performances in the Euro's Kuyts valuation has shot up to seven million. Euros of course   

I wouldn't be surprised if I valued him at 2-3 million not to long ago either, mate (someone will no doubt drag out that Kuyt, How Much? poll soon for us all to laugh at).  Not that I was wrong back then but, given that it's silly season and the Euros are driving prices up, we've got to mark Dirk up to the going rate.  So, I'd say 7-8 million pounds should be our basement price if someone comes in for him.  If they're not convinced, stick a compilation video of his games against Arsenal, Chelsea (CL), Italy, France and Romania in their hand and tell them to get serious if they want our "prized asset".  If someone wanted to pay us that much for him, I'd sell.  Any lower and I'd be tempted to give him another season to see what he could offer at RM.

Or heres a wacky idea, you could just admit you were wrong along with all the other fickle posters on here, he's more or less held his worth.

I can't see how you can really believe he has held his price Rushie. He came as a 20 goal a season striker, and Dutch player of the year. Since then he has scored 15 league goals in 2 seasons.

Since his "successful" change to winger/Right midfielder he hasn't managed a single league goal.  He has gone from being an automatic choice for Holland to a player that was relieved to get in the squad, and lucky that Babel was injured or he probably wouldn't have had the same chance to shine in the Euro's.

I prefer to judge a players worth over a season anyway, not get carried away with a couple of games in the Euro's.

I don't think anyone dismisses the hard work and effort he puts in EVERY game, but I don't think we should try to dismiss his very obvious limitations either.

I would put him in the same bracket as Alan Smith was a couple of seasons ago..... found wanting as a striker for a top team in the prem, tried out in midfield for a while..... before finally being sold to Newcastle for around £5/6million?

The only doubt in my mind is how much effect his fathers illness and death has had, but if we want to be challenging for titles, I think we need a little more than Dirk has to offer week in week out.

If we don't manage to get in a better Rmidfielder, I think he will do a reasonable job, but if we get anyone of any real quality, I can see him being moved on next year. Certainly I have no wish to see him moved back to striker.

[Bad Bob]

Totally agree Bob. FWIW I previously valued him at 3 million and got hauled in by the militia for my cheek. I was lucky to escape alive once they spotted that I'd also said Alonso was worth early teens.

I maybe a man of principal and all that old b0ll0cks, but I've also got this self preservationist streak running through me as well. So once a couple of the Zanu PF put a gun to me head and said "go on, mention rotation one more time you feckface and you're dead" I changed my tune just in time. Alonso I'd now take low TO MID teens for, and after his hugely impressive performances in the Euro's Kuyts valuation has shot up to seven million. Euros of course   

I wouldn't be surprised if I valued him at 2-3 million not to long ago either, mate (someone will no doubt drag out that Kuyt, How Much? poll soon for us all to laugh at).  Not that I was wrong back then but, given that it's silly season and the Euros are driving prices up, we've got to mark Dirk up to the going rate.  So, I'd say 7-8 million pounds should be our basement price if someone comes in for him.  If they're not convinced, stick a compilation video of his games against Arsenal, Chelsea (CL), Italy, France and Romania in their hand and tell them to get serious if they want our "prized asset".  If someone wanted to pay us that much for him, I'd sell.  Any lower and I'd be tempted to give him another season to see what he could offer at RM.

Or heres a wacky idea, you could just admit you were wrong along with all the other fickle posters on here, he's more or less held his worth.

That is a wacky idea because there wasn't going to be a team in world football that would pay us 7-8 million for Kuyt in January, after he'd looked abysmal for months in a red shirt.  Thankfully, he's getting back to his best after playing in a wider position.  And, while his best still isn't good enough to be a nailed on starter for us, IMO, it's good enough to keep him in the squad unless a decent offer were to come in.

[Bad Bob]

I would put him in the same bracket as Alan Smith was a couple of seasons ago..... found wanting as a striker for a top team in the prem, tried out in midfield for a while..... before finally being sold to Newcastle for around £5/6million?

Spot on, mate.

[Effes]

I don't think anyone dismisses the hard work and effort he puts in EVERY game, but I don't think we should try to dismiss his very obvious limitations either.

Agreed.

Kuyt does have "limitations".
He played in a front 3 for Holland in the 2006 World Cup, so he knew about what was required
of him when Rafa changed the formation in January.

For someone in Kuyt's position I'd prefer someone who had more ability to beat a player .i.e. more pace and more skill.

The way the club is financially though, I dont think we can afford to sell as a better
replacement would cost us.

[Rush Job]

Totally agree Bob. FWIW I previously valued him at 3 million and got hauled in by the militia for my cheek. I was lucky to escape alive once they spotted that I'd also said Alonso was worth early teens.

I maybe a man of principal and all that old b0ll0cks, but I've also got this self preservationist streak running through me as well. So once a couple of the Zanu PF put a gun to me head and said "go on, mention rotation one more time you feckface and you're dead" I changed my tune just in time. Alonso I'd now take low TO MID teens for, and after his hugely impressive performances in the Euro's Kuyts valuation has shot up to seven million. Euros of course   

I wouldn't be surprised if I valued him at 2-3 million not to long ago either, mate (someone will no doubt drag out that Kuyt, How Much? poll soon for us all to laugh at).  Not that I was wrong back then but, given that it's silly season and the Euros are driving prices up, we've got to mark Dirk up to the going rate.  So, I'd say 7-8 million pounds should be our basement price if someone comes in for him.  If they're not convinced, stick a compilation video of his games against Arsenal, Chelsea (CL), Italy, France and Romania in their hand and tell them to get serious if they want our "prized asset".  If someone wanted to pay us that much for him, I'd sell.  Any lower and I'd be tempted to give him another season to see what he could offer at RM.

Or heres a wacky idea, you could just admit you were wrong along with all the other fickle posters on here, he's more or less held his worth.

I can't see how you can really believe he has held his price Rushie. He came as a 20 goal a season striker, and Dutch player of the year. Since then he has scored 15 league goals in 2 seasons.

Since his "successful" change to winger/Right midfielder he hasn't managed a single league goal.  He has gone from being an automatic choice for Holland to a player that was relieved to get in the squad, and lucky that Babel was injured or he probably wouldn't have had the same chance to shine in the Euro's.

I prefer to judge a players worth over a season anyway, not get carried away with a couple of games in the Euro's.

I don't think anyone dismisses the hard work and effort he puts in EVERY game, but I don't think we should try to dismiss his very obvious limitations either.

I would put him in the same bracket as Alan Smith was a couple of seasons ago..... found wanting as a striker for a top team in the prem, tried out in midfield for a while..... before finally being sold to Newcastle for around £5/6million?

The only doubt in my mind is how much effect his fathers illness and death has had, but if we want to be challenging for titles, I think we need a little more than Dirk has to offer week in week out.

If we don't manage to get in a better Rmidfielder, I think he will do a reasonable job, but if we get anyone of any real quality, I can see him being moved on next year. Certainly I have no wish to see him moved back to striker.

Look no ones saying he didnt have a bad year in the league and to be honest any player that doesnt have pace to burn can easily look sub standard in our league but if you think he isnt/wouldnt be worth 8-10 mill to someone your wrong and comparing him with Alan smith is shocking IMO, could you imagine him/that staring for the dutch in the euros? i dont think so. And Bob its seems you swerved my idea, nevermind we live in hope eh.

[Toffeehater]

How is a he a natural winger sudance kid?

[Owzat]

How is a he a natural winger sudance kid?

If someone picks up a snooker cue, throws darts or competes in something for the first time and does well then some would say "he's a natural". Kuyt has been put out on the wing and doesn't look out of his depth and unable to perform the role, to such an extent he was played wide for most of the end of the season. If he then improves, improves and improves some more then he could become a proper top winger, however you hardly expect someone who's played say 20 times in a position to be perfect.

Beckham has no pace btw, don't know why people are making such an issue about that. I didn't realise you needed to run fast to cross accurately, run fast to pass or run fast to shoot. Pace may HELP beat players, it isn't crucial and Kuyt does beat players (maybe not always in the conventional way, but pushing it past the defender and going round him requires some doing if you don't have pace................)

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How is a he a natural winger sudance kid?

If someone picks up a snooker cue, throws darts or competes in something for the first time and does well then some would say "he's a natural". Kuyt has been put out on the wing and doesn't look out of his depth and unable to perform the role, to such an extent he was played wide for most of the end of the season. If he then improves, improves and improves some more then he could become a proper top winger, however you hardly expect someone who's played say 20 times in a position to be perfect.

Beckham has no pace btw, don't know why people are making such an issue about that. I didn't realise you needed to run fast to cross accurately, run fast to pass or run fast to shoot. Pace may HELP beat players, it isn't crucial and Kuyt does beat players (maybe not always in the conventional way, but pushing it past the defender and going round him requires some doing if you don't have pace................)

Kuyt played much of his early career as a winger (especially at Utrecht) and with Holland he has usually played there, so its not as if he has no experience out wide, and he looks much more comfortable there to me. Probably as there is a little more room, and he can cross the ball early without having to beat his man.