Liverpool FC Forum

[Sir Roger]

well it is safe to say this is going to the lines of once agian another chance for people to come in and have another go at rafa just like all the other threads .

Seriously
Who do you think people should have a go at if not Rafa?

[Emerald Red]

The fact that he won us the champions league in his first season showed us a sparkling light of hope in that, ok, he doesnt have the best players at his disposal, but he can indeed get the best out of them.

With a team that he didn't buy one player for , so did he really win it or was it the good work Hollier did ?

So Houllier bought Garcia (who scored vital goals) and Xabi Alonso?

[GYBS]

Maybe just for once - just to shock people - lets actually support and get behind the manager and players while we are going for the league and cl .

[Emerald Red]

Maybe just for once - just to shock people - lets actually support and get behind the manager and players while we are going for the league and cl .

We aren't going for the league, mate. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

[Owzat]

It certainly shows we are not really the cup team that a lot of people say we are (apart from Europe).

Bit difficult to be if you're drawing or losing every fourth game. Still we've reached more cup finals (4) under Rafa than we've 2nd placed finishes in the league (0) I've not included the Super Cup final or World Club Championship debacle, or the Charity Shield. You could include them, or not, depending on how much of a trophy you rate it when playing one or two games only to win it.

04/05 League Cup Runners-Up (6 games)
04/05 Champions Of Europe (15 games)
05/06 UEFA Super Cup Winners (1 game)
05/06 Club World Championship Runners-Up (2 games)
05/06 FA Cup Winners (6 games)
06/07 Community Shield Winners (1 game)
06/07 Champions League Runners-Up (15 games)

Four proper, three others. But can you see Rafa improving enough to make second or Champions in the Premiership or simply continue the pattern? Not that we've won much or moved up the league in the last couple of seasons.

[account deleted by request]

The fact that he won us the champions league in his first season showed us a sparkling light of hope in that, ok, he doesnt have the best players at his disposal, but he can indeed get the best out of them.

With a team that he didn't buy one player for , so did he really win it or was it the good work Hollier did ?

So Houllier bought Garcia (who scored vital goals) and Xabi Alonso?

Maybe he was meaning Parry bought Alonso and Garcia, mate ? 

only joking Emerald

[account deleted by request]

It certainly shows we are not really the cup team that a lot of people say we are (apart from Europe).

Bit difficult to be if you're drawing or losing every fourth game. Still we've reached more cup finals (4) under Rafa than we've 2nd placed finishes in the league (0) I've not included the Super Cup final or World Club Championship debacle, or the Charity Shield. You could include them, or not, depending on how much of a trophy you rate it when playing one or two games only to win it.

04/05 League Cup Runners-Up (6 games)
04/05 Champions Of Europe (15 games)
05/06 UEFA Super Cup Winners (1 game)
05/06 Club World Championship Runners-Up (2 games)
05/06 FA Cup Winners (6 games)
06/07 Community Shield Winners (1 game)
06/07 Champions League Runners-Up (15 games)

Four proper, three others. But can you see Rafa improving enough to make second or Champions in the Premiership or simply continue the pattern? Not that we've won much or moved up the league in the last couple of seasons.

The worrying thing is that we have only ever scored first in one final (and we lost that    ) All the other cup finals we have either come from behind or lost.

Maybe if we were a little more adventurous we might have greater success ?

[LegBarnes]

The fact that he won us the champions league in his first season showed us a sparkling light of hope in that, ok, he doesnt have the best players at his disposal, but he can indeed get the best out of them.

With a team that he didn't buy one player for , so did he really win it or was it the good work Hollier did ?

So Houllier bought Garcia (who scored vital goals) and Xabi Alonso?

aye ok i give u 2 players then but the rest of team wasn't clearly.

[bunglemark2]

It certainly shows we are not really the cup team that a lot of people say we are (apart from Europe).

Bit difficult to be if you're drawing or losing every fourth game. Still we've reached more cup finals (4) under Rafa than we've 2nd placed finishes in the league (0) I've not included the Super Cup final or World Club Championship debacle, or the Charity Shield. You could include them, or not, depending on how much of a trophy you rate it when playing one or two games only to win it.

04/05 League Cup Runners-Up (6 games)
04/05 Champions Of Europe (15 games)
05/06 UEFA Super Cup Winners (1 game)
05/06 Club World Championship Runners-Up (2 games)
05/06 FA Cup Winners (6 games)
06/07 Community Shield Winners (1 game)
06/07 Champions League Runners-Up (15 games)

Four proper, three others. But can you see Rafa improving enough to make second or Champions in the Premiership or simply continue the pattern? Not that we've won much or moved up the league in the last couple of seasons.

The worrying thing is that we have only ever scored first in one final (and we lost that    ) All the other cup finals we have either come from behind or lost.

Maybe if we were a little more adventurous we might have greater success ?

Adventurous is not in Rafa's vocabulary mate....
Can you see him sign somebody like Ronaldo ? Not a chance...
Can you see him sign any flair player for that matter ?
He prefers workhorses, do not concede at all costs, but no adventurous streak going forward...
Personally, I think he was very, very lucky with El Nino - who would have thought he would have been so prolific in his first season ? Certainly his previous conversion ratio in Spain gave no indication of it....

[mistyred]

I think Youssi is the closest thing to a flair player
we have in the team.

[LegBarnes]

Maybe just for once - just to shock people - lets actually support and get behind the manager and players while we are going for the league and cl .

You keep aving go at us for disliking rafa but end of day at least we are saying what we feel and wearing our hearts on our sleeves I haven't see feck all from you lad why don't you post a worth while piece and stop trying to rip every one elses view apart like !

Didn't your mother teach you that if you haven't got any thing good to say don't say any thing. tut tut 

[GYBS]

The fact that he won us the champions league in his first season showed us a sparkling light of hope in that, ok, he doesnt have the best players at his disposal, but he can indeed get the best out of them.

With a team that he didn't buy one player for , so did he really win it or was it the good work Hollier did ?

So Houllier bought Garcia (who scored vital goals) and Xabi Alonso?

aye ok i give u 2 players then but the rest of team wasn't clearly.

so does that not then show how well rafa did taken a bunch of players who finished 30 odd points of the winners in the league to CL winners with a few additional players within one season ? or was that all down to the players and nothing to do with the manager ? if it was the players why didnt they do so well with GH then ?

[GYBS]

Maybe just for once - just to shock people - lets actually support and get behind the manager and players while we are going for the league and cl .

You keep aving go at us for disliking rafa but end of day at least we are saying what we feel and wearing our hearts on our sleeves I haven't see feck all from you lad why don't you post a worth while piece and stop trying to rip every one elses view apart like !

Didn't your mother teach you that if you haven't got any thing good to say don't say any thing. tut tut 

Anything good ? do you mean the nonsenseical rubbish you keep posting and the evidence of that is fully in this thread ?

And if you think im not wearing my heart on my sleeve just because i dont slag and crtitize the manager you need to seriously look at yourself - im fully supporting the team and club no matter what ,while the season is going on and at such a crucial stage .

And dont even start calling me lad until your old enough to do so or older than myself and that is never .

[LegBarnes]

The fact that he won us the champions league in his first season showed us a sparkling light of hope in that, ok, he doesnt have the best players at his disposal, but he can indeed get the best out of them.

With a team that he didn't buy one player for , so did he really win it or was it the good work Hollier did ?

So Houllier bought Garcia (who scored vital goals) and Xabi Alonso?

aye ok i give u 2 players then but the rest of team wasn't clearly.

so does that not then show how well rafa did taken a bunch of players who finished 30 odd points of the winners in the league to CL winners with a few additional players within one season ? or was that all down to the players and nothing to do with the manager ? if it was the players why didnt they do so well with GH then ?

cos they wasn't in it ?

O and by the way you can't bitch about GH cos he won us the tripple which i think was one of the best seasons I remember as a liverpool fan fecking legend. 

[GYBS]

Maybe just for once - just to shock people - lets actually support and get behind the manager and players while we are going for the league and cl .

We aren't going for the league, mate. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

while the maths still say we can win it i will always believe and hope we can do it mate . always been the way for me and will never change