Home grown players - Should they be compulsary?

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Postby stapo1000 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:17 am

el_stinger wrote:It was a farce that Arsenal won the FA cup without a single englishman on the pitch

What about ashley cole.

It makes sense to have a rule where a certain amount of british players should be named in the squad for every league game. Not enforcing this rule would allow chelski to field a multi billion pound superteam week in week out and make it impossible for any other team to come close to them in the league. F*ck you abramovich, if it wasn't for you we wouldn't having this arguement right now
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Postby Ace Ventura » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:19 am

stapo1000 wrote:
el_stinger wrote:It was a farce that Arsenal won the FA cup without a single englishman on the pitch

What about ashley cole.

It makes sense to have a rule where a certain amount of british players should be named in the squad for every league game. Not enforcing this rule would allow chelski to field a multi billion pound superteam week in week out and make it impossible for any other team to come close to them in the league. F*ck you abramovich, if it wasn't for you we wouldn't having this arguement right now

It wouldnt affect Chelsea they have Lampard Terry, Joe Cole, Bridge..Glenn Johnson. And they could buy the best English players if they wanted.
I think the rules should be left alone and the FA are looking at the benefits of the national team while we should be looking at what benefits lfc.
It will also increase the fees involved in signing mediocre english players as the clubs could hold us to ransom knowing that we have to buy there player.
Cant see how it could benefit us at all.
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Postby Rafalution » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:10 am

I have no problem with foreigners in the English league so long as they are the best foreigners around. Is it any coincidence that the national team suffered during the period when English teams were banned from Europe ? As soon as we were allowed back into Europe the top European players started to sign for the English teams.
This in turn has an effect on the english youngsters. I mean, how can we expect our youth team to improve when they turn out onto the training ground to learn from players without much ability ?
I mean, if you were in the academy and you are on the training ground with the likes of Marcus Bent and Duncan Ferguson, how good a player will you become ? If, however, there is Xabi Alonso and Fernando Morientes on the training pitch there is obviously a lot more you can learn about the game and your ability will improve thus more quality english players coming through the ranks.
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Postby Big Niall » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:04 pm

I (and some English people on this site) don't care about the England team but imagine if SG leaves in the summer and JC gets injured. If LFC played Real Madrid you might have the English team full of Spaniards and the Spanish team full of Englishmen.

I like it when you know the German team will have solid, well organised, disciplined Germans but probably not that much talent while the Portugeese team will probably be the opposite.

In my view the greatest moment in the Euro cup (ignoring LFC bias) was when Celtic won in 1967 when all their team were born within 3 miles of Parkhead. I mean they really did represent the community. I know we'll never return to those days but it'd be good to keep some semblance of what/who the club represents.
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Postby Ace Ventura » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:25 pm

Big Niall wrote:I (and some English people on this site) don't care about the England team but imagine if SG leaves in the summer and JC gets injured. If LFC played Real Madrid you might have the English team full of Spaniards and the Spanish team full of Englishmen.

I like it when you know the German team will have solid, well organised, disciplined Germans but probably not that much talent while the Portugeese team will probably be the opposite.

In my view the greatest moment in the Euro cup (ignoring LFC bias) was when Celtic won in 1967 when all their team were born within 3 miles of Parkhead. I mean they really did represent the community. I know we'll never return to those days but it'd be good to keep some semblance of what/who the club represents.

Mate in an ideal world it would be.
But there are only going to be a handful of players from the area good enough to make it professionally we are fortunate in that we have 2 of the very best in cara an Stevie but i still think the ruling will end up being sh@te and that the clubs with the most money eg Chelsea will just buy the best England players and leave the rest with mediocre players that because of pointless rules will weaken the side.
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Postby RAFABENITEZ » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:28 pm

Big Niall wrote:Personally I think it would be good to make it compulsary to have 3 home grown players in every team. If EU rules will accept that it doesn't descriminate against other EU countries (doubtful-but there may be a work around, e.g. must be at club a certain lenght of time).

I accept the standard may drop, we won't always have a Gerrard or Carragher to fill two of the places but I think it would be good to keep the identity of the team.

Even though I am not a scouser I feel that a Liverpool native is a bigger fan than an outsider (don't want that debate though) and I don't feel good about English teams with no Englishmen, Italian teams without Italians etc, it takes away from the national ethos of certain clubs in Europe.

What do you think?

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Postby RAFABENITEZ » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:29 pm

el_stinger wrote:It was a farce that Arsenal won the FA cup without a single englishman on the pitch

WE DONE IT IN 1986, WASNT A FARCE THEN WAS IT?
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:29 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:I may be wrong, but in France I think they introduced a rule were a certain amount of players have to be under 22 and eligible to play for the national side, and look what happened there.

I personally think that the Worthington Cup should be altered so that maybe 5 of the 16 have to be 22 or under and eligible to play for the England side. I think if a rule were to be introduced in the league it may devalue it and reduce the overall quality, the Worthington Cup is full of youngsters anyway and not many teams take it seriously so I couldn’t imagine any huge resistance from clubs.

That system worked in France but its a totally different scenario in England

Firstly the rule in France is 'players eligible for the national team', but that includes half of Africa FFS!!!!  Look at their world cup winning team: Zidane (Algeria), Djorkaeff (Morocco), Desailly (Ghana).  Nowadays its Vieira (senegal).  Even Trezeguet is Argentina born.  This is just the national side, how many players are there kicking about the french leagues who satisfy this criteria but aren't really french.

Also this system works for France because their league is not a strong one and in a way the french league is full of clubs who are really feeder teams for the bigger european clubs in Spain, Italy and now England.  It is easier for talented youngsters to get a game for auxerre than it is for say Chelsea.  Realistically I don't think this would be good in England

I also think that clubs should be able to field whoever they like regardless of nationality.  Football clubs are essentially businesses, and it is up to them what players they want to buy, sell and field.  We are not living in the dark ages anymore, loads of people go abroad to work these days, not just footballers.  The world is becoming more cosmopolitan and that is a good thing, why not embrace it rather than fight it.
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:15 pm

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Cool Hand Luke wrote:I may be wrong, but in France I think they introduced a rule were a certain amount of players have to be under 22 and eligible to play for the national side, and look what happened there.

I personally think that the Worthington Cup should be altered so that maybe 5 of the 16 have to be 22 or under and eligible to play for the England side. I think if a rule were to be introduced in the league it may devalue it and reduce the overall quality, the Worthington Cup is full of youngsters anyway and not many teams take it seriously so I couldn’t imagine any huge resistance from clubs.

That system worked in France but its a totally different scenario in England

Firstly the rule in France is 'players eligible for the national team', but that includes half of Africa FFS!!!!  Look at their world cup winning team: Zidane (Algeria), Djorkaeff (Morocco), Desailly (Ghana).  Nowadays its Vieira (senegal).  Even Trezeguet is Argentina born.  This is just the national side, how many players are there kicking about the french leagues who satisfy this criteria but aren't really french.

Also this system works for France because their league is not a strong one and in a way the french league is full of clubs who are really feeder teams for the bigger european clubs in Spain, Italy and now England.  It is easier for talented youngsters to get a game for auxerre than it is for say Chelsea.  Realistically I don't think this would be good in England

I also think that clubs should be able to field whoever they like regardless of nationality.  Football clubs are essentially businesses, and it is up to them what players they want to buy, sell and field.  We are not living in the dark ages anymore, loads of people go abroad to work these days, not just footballers.  The world is becoming more cosmopolitan and that is a good thing, why not embrace it rather than fight it.

Thats why I said that it woulden't be a good idea to implement it in the league, but think about is as an idea in relation to the Carling Cup.
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Postby zarababe » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:21 pm

Big Niall wrote:If LFC played Real Madrid you might have the English team full of Spaniards and the Spanish team full of Englishmen.

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Postby 116-1104673748 » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:12 am

Back to topic.Yes.Its good.You're playing local players.
1)It helps the economy.(No paying foreign players because their money goes to their country)(They pay income tax back to their own country)(Indirectly,we're giving money to other countries)
2)It creates more home-grown stars
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Postby redthru&thru » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:02 pm

I wish it were compulsory as its no coincidence that our 2 best players are two local lads, they just have more heart, more passion, and you cant buy that from foreigners.
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Postby anfieldadorer » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:18 am

WE'RE IN, EVERYBODY !!!! :laugh:  :bowdown  :buttrock  :wwww  :love:
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