Liverpool FC Forum

[Sabre]

One of my rules is not to complain about others. If someone abuses me in a public board, then I hope the mods do their job. If someone abuses me on private, then It's private. I have never published in a board a private message of another member, that's a total lack of respect IMO. And for the very same reason, I would never complaint about another member, let alone a decission of appointing a mod.

That would be trying to impose my criteria for all the forum! and I'm one among houndreds!!

So I'm not worried if a witch hunt starts, quite simply because I haven't complained about no poster since I joined here the first time No-body. Never. I didn't complain about Oasis, go figures.

Peewee is a good poster, one of those who gives a forum personality. But my moderation book (way to interpretate moderation) is a bit different and that's why for me there were better options. But that's my opinion, and I'd never try to impose it to others.

I think he has reasons to be angry. Because choosing a mod is a matter to think carefully. And once you've decided, you should stick to it. He didn't ask for it, he was offered, and in that sense, I understand his position.

But I hope no intrigues nor witch hunts are started here, because after all we all come here for this.



If I was removed the modship, I'd say thank you for this temporary trust and now I'll keep my regular stuff on here. No problemo.

Let's all be calm!!

[tommycockles]

You didn't put an 'I don#t f.uckin care now cos this is an LFC forum and not a PeeWee forum' option

Yeah I feel sorta sorry for the lad but do we have to have about 50 threads about it?

50 threads ?

Sh'it , I've missed some    where are they ?

Don't be such a plank Paul , if you're not interested in the "PeeWee" threads don't f'ucking click on them, it's that simple . 

Sorry Woof, should we set up a paypal account for him as well and everyone can make donations   

what's that supposed to mean? to my knowledge i only remember us setting up a payal account for one member- and not one i'd drag into arguements or use as a joke.

If i'm wrong then sorry - but otherwise = bad taste!!

[adamnbarrett]

Personally, I don't think it could have been an alter-ego because LFC would have just ignored their complaints and wouldn't take much notice of someone who has about 20 posts. I think we're looking at an established member here who has complained.

But who?

[Years Of Decay]

JBG

end discussion

[account deleted by request]

Its typical of this forum that this issue has been blown completely out of proportion and a witch hunt is now being started by the mob to route out the "informers", "k.unts" and Stu's croonies who were instigated Peewee's dismissal.

I would be hugely surprised that Stu the Red had anything to do with this.

The people who made complaints about Peewee are not necessarily K.unts. They may have had their reasons. Maybe they didn't, maybe some people had personal issues with Peewee and had their own agenda with him.

One thing is for sure, whatever the reasons, it was not one taken lightly by LFC. He would not have been swayed by people with personal agendas.

As I said, I don't think its fair for Woof or Peewee to start a witch hunt against anybody who may have made complaints.

I'm prepared to take flak, as the mob want someone to string up. I PM'd the mods the other day in which I indicated my reservations about peewee being a moderator. This was not bourne out of any personal agenda that I have against peewee because I don't have a personal agenda against him. As a fellow poster, I have no issue with him and indeed in the past I had a few PM conversations with him.

My reservations as peewee as a mod have nothing to do with peewee as a fellow poster or indeed as a person. Indeed I have reservations about BigMick being a mod. Mick is a terrific guy: an absolute gent in fact, and is a magnificent poster. However, being a world class poster does not necessarily mean a good moderator, indeed the converse can often be true.

I also believe other people whom I like on this forum: Dawson, woof, Leon, Ciggy etc would not be suitable candidates as a moderator.

Moderating a forum is not a privilege. I gave it up because as a moderator you have to be able to bite your tongue, not speak your mind in public about personal issues you have with other members, and as best you can stay out of rows and squabbles going on between members. As a moderator you must be as neutral as possible in rows and disagreements between forum members, and that was the reservation I had with peewee, not anything to do with him personally.

I'll go on the record for the first time since I left as mod in saying that the moderating team made a mistake in appointing peewee and BigMick as mods. However, they are only human and mistakes can happen: indeed I supported the appointment of BigMick as a moderator two years ago, and I can make mistakes as much as the next guy.

If peewee and the mob want the bad guy I've got thick enough skin to take the flak, but I rather it be directed at me than have yet another tedious paranoid witch hunt on this fourm.

I can't criticise your passing your opinion on to the mods or your doubts about peewee's suitability for the position, I do however feel that once peewee was appointed he should have been allowed a bit of time to see how he did. Perhaps you could have mentioned your doubts before he was appointed (difficult I know, given that you probably wern't consulted) or more realistically held fire until he had actually shown some evidence that he wasn't up to the job.

My real criticism is leveled at LFC for creating this situation by the poor way in which this whole episode (well it is a bit like a soap) has been handled. I am not privy to all the facts, so like most I am probably guilty of making 2 +2 = 5, but at face value its a shabby way to treat someone.

[woof woof !]

Its typical of this forum that this issue has been blown completely out of proportion and a witch hunt is now being started by the mob to route out the "informers", "k.unts" and Stu's croonies who were instigated Peewee's dismissal.

I would be hugely surprised that Stu the Red had anything to do with this.

The people who made complaints about Peewee are not necessarily K.unts. They may have had their reasons. Maybe they didn't, maybe some people had personal issues with Peewee and had their own agenda with him.

One thing is for sure, whatever the reasons, it was not one taken lightly by LFC. He would not have been swayed by people with personal agendas.

As I said, I don't think its fair for Woof or Peewee to start a witch hunt against anybody who may have made complaints.

I'm prepared to take flak, as the mob want someone to string up. I PM'd the mods the other day in which I indicated my reservations about peewee being a moderator. This was not bourne out of any personal agenda that I have against peewee because I don't have a personal agenda against him. As a fellow poster, I have no issue with him and indeed in the past I had a few PM conversations with him.

My reservations as peewee as a mod have nothing to do with peewee as a fellow poster or indeed as a person. Indeed I have reservations about BigMick being a mod. Mick is a terrific guy: an absolute gent in fact, and is a magnificent poster. However, being a world class poster does not necessarily mean a good moderator, indeed the converse can often be true.

I also believe other people whom I like on this forum: Dawson, woof, Leon, Ciggy etc would not be suitable candidates as a moderator.

Moderating a forum is not a privilege. I gave it up because as a moderator you have to be able to bite your tongue, not speak your mind in public about personal issues you have with other members, and as best you can stay out of rows and squabbles going on between members. As a moderator you must be as neutral as possible in rows and disagreements between forum members, and that was the reservation I had with peewee, not anything to do with him personally.

I'll go on the record for the first time since I left as mod in saying that the moderating team made a mistake in appointing peewee and BigMick as mods. However, they are only human and mistakes can happen: indeed I supported the appointment of BigMick as a moderator two years ago, and I can make mistakes as much as the next guy.

If peewee and the mob want the bad guy I've got thick enough skin to take the flak, but I rather it be directed at me than have yet another tedious paranoid witch hunt on this fourm.

Well, what can I say ,apart from congratulations ?

JBG , you seem to have almost perfected the art of posting an apparently well balanced , measured and inspid observation without losing the opportunity to slip in a few well aimed digs .

a witch hunt is now being started by the mob to route out the "informers", "k.unts" and Stu's croonies who were instigated Peewee's dismissal.

As I said, I don't think its fair for Woof or Peewee to start a witch hunt against anybody who may have made complaints.

Witch Hunt ? , maybe if you'd been dismissed without apparent valid reason two weeks after accepting an unsolicited offer to become a moderator even you may have been slightly inclined to find out why ?

Mob ? I take it your talking about many members in here who, despite your well observed opinion about PeeWee's suitably, find otherwise ? .

Perhaps if members, like yourself, who disapproved of PeeWee's appointment as a Mod had aired and debated  their objections in the forum instead of sneaking of to LFC with a whispered complaint, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Witch Hunt ?    More like a Bitch Hunt     

[Cool Hand Luke]

If peewee wants to be fat, let him be fat, you bullies.

[JBG]

Its typical of this forum that this issue has been blown completely out of proportion and a witch hunt is now being started by the mob to route out the "informers", "k.unts" and Stu's croonies who were instigated Peewee's dismissal.

I would be hugely surprised that Stu the Red had anything to do with this.

The people who made complaints about Peewee are not necessarily K.unts. They may have had their reasons. Maybe they didn't, maybe some people had personal issues with Peewee and had their own agenda with him.

One thing is for sure, whatever the reasons, it was not one taken lightly by LFC. He would not have been swayed by people with personal agendas.

As I said, I don't think its fair for Woof or Peewee to start a witch hunt against anybody who may have made complaints.

I'm prepared to take flak, as the mob want someone to string up. I PM'd the mods the other day in which I indicated my reservations about peewee being a moderator. This was not bourne out of any personal agenda that I have against peewee because I don't have a personal agenda against him. As a fellow poster, I have no issue with him and indeed in the past I had a few PM conversations with him.

My reservations as peewee as a mod have nothing to do with peewee as a fellow poster or indeed as a person. Indeed I have reservations about BigMick being a mod. Mick is a terrific guy: an absolute gent in fact, and is a magnificent poster. However, being a world class poster does not necessarily mean a good moderator, indeed the converse can often be true.

I also believe other people whom I like on this forum: Dawson, woof, Leon, Ciggy etc would not be suitable candidates as a moderator.

Moderating a forum is not a privilege. I gave it up because as a moderator you have to be able to bite your tongue, not speak your mind in public about personal issues you have with other members, and as best you can stay out of rows and squabbles going on between members. As a moderator you must be as neutral as possible in rows and disagreements between forum members, and that was the reservation I had with peewee, not anything to do with him personally.

I'll go on the record for the first time since I left as mod in saying that the moderating team made a mistake in appointing peewee and BigMick as mods. However, they are only human and mistakes can happen: indeed I supported the appointment of BigMick as a moderator two years ago, and I can make mistakes as much as the next guy.

If peewee and the mob want the bad guy I've got thick enough skin to take the flak, but I rather it be directed at me than have yet another tedious paranoid witch hunt on this fourm.

Well, what can I say ,apart from congratulations ?

JBG , you seem to have almost perfected the art of posting an apparently well balanced , measured and inspid observation without losing the opportunity to slip in a few well aimed digs .

a witch hunt is now being started by the mob to route out the "informers", "k.unts" and Stu's croonies who were instigated Peewee's dismissal.

As I said, I don't think its fair for Woof or Peewee to start a witch hunt against anybody who may have made complaints.

Witch Hunt ? , maybe if you'd been dismissed without apparent valid reason two weeks after accepting an unsolicited offer to become a moderator even you may have been slightly inclined to find out why ?

Mob ? I take it your talking about many members in here who, despite your well observed opinion about PeeWee's suitably, find otherwise ? .

Perhaps if members, like yourself, who disapproved of PeeWee's appointment as a Mod had aired and debated  their objections in the forum instead of sneaking of to LFC with a whispered complaint, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Witch Hunt ?    More like a Bitch Hunt     

I didn't complain to the mods. I questioned their decision to appoint Peewee. I don't think he was a good choice as a moderator as he cannot be impartial in his dealings with ordinary posters on the forum. This was bourne out in him wading in and defending you in the spat with Sabre (talk about a storm in a tea cup) and then said that "andy q and zara" were no loss to the forum. If he was a normal poster he would have every right to defend his friends, as moderator, however, you cannot take sides in these kind of things, you have to be as neutral as possible. Its simple part of peewee's personality that he cannot bite his lip and be neutral in these things. I was taken aback by the moderator's decision to appoint Peewee seeing that his good points and bad points are well known and I pointed out that, in my opinion, I could see trouble ahead with peewee. This was already evidenced with his debate with fellow moderator Sabre, which should have been kept private, and his comments about andyq and zara being no loss. What would have happened if these two people came back on the forum? Would peewee have a barney with Zara and then have her banned? (I'm not saying he would, but the fact that the question has to be asked speaks for itself).

I have no issue at all with Peewee as a fellow poster, if he was p.ssing me off in some shape or form I would have PM'd him, we have done that before and all was resolved. I was giving my two cents to the mods about their decision.

Yes, there is a witch hunt. Peewee (and others) have been asking who the informers are. He suggested that it was Stu and his "bum chums". You started a thread asking who were the "k.unts" who complained. I, for one, are tired of these "who is Karim/Oasis/Roberts" b.ullshit. I don't think there should be a witch hunt over this, peewee should just get over it and if he has difficulty with it, he should take it up with LFC.

[account deleted by request]

Maybe a timely PM to peewee offering a bit of good advice would have been more helpful JBG than expressing your opinion to the mods as a first step.

[woof woof !]

JBG, You are entitled to your (and not without merit) opinion on PeeWee's suitability as a Mod. The point you seem to ignore is that I and some others find the manner in which you, and maybe others, apparently voiced "concern" a bit distasteful . Open debate would have been a healthier option .

[Cool Hand Luke]

peewee for president

[JBG]

JBG, You are entitled to your (and not without merit) opinion on PeeWee's suitability as a Mod. The point you seem to ignore is that I and some others find the manner in which you, and maybe others, apparently voiced "concern" a bit distasteful . Open debate would have been a healthier option .

Fair enough, that was something that I had contemplated, but I decided against it as I thought it would give rise to an awful ruccus on the forum and peewee may have seen it as a personal attack against him.

I expressed my concerns to the moderators about peewee's suitability, that was all, I had no input in having him hired and fired.

Peewee and yourself called for those "cowards" who complained about him to come forward, well, I have come forward and made my concerns clear, I don't think other people have to, their concerns are private and between them and the mods. I ruffled a few people's feathers when I was a moderator and had numerous PMs of complaint (as I am sure LFC, supersub, stmichael, jonnymac etc also had and have) about stuff I did and decisions I made. Naturally I would have disagreed with the member in question but I would (by and large, unless where the interests of the forum dictated) have kept it private in PM and not challenged the member about it on open forum. Therefore, in my opinion, the mods should keep those other members who complained anonymous, as that is a breach of trust.

The situation with peewee is a complete mess, I agree, and I can understand why he would be peeved, but this is the internet after all, not real life, and I think peewee will get over it: its not as if he's been sacked at work or 'erself indoors has ran off with the milkman.

While I'm on my soapbox I'll continue to shoot from the hip: some  of those people who have defended peewee by lambasting those who went whinging to the mods are being entirely disengenuous as a number of them whinged directly to me when I was a mod about other members.

He who hath no sin cast the first stone and all of that.

[account deleted by request]

As I have never reported anyone to anyone can I cast it ?

[Cool Hand Luke]

As I have never reported anyone to anyone can I cast it ?

Maybe

[JBG]

As I have never reported anyone to anyone can I cast it ?

Fire away.