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[JBG]

Thought it was hit and miss myself, but the development about the Others is interesting.

[MilitiaRusher]

The ordeal with the Others and the fake "Henry Gale" has got even more intriguing by the minute.

[Mikz]

They keep saying they are the good guys, but theyve a strange way of showing it.
How could they possibly know so much about Jack etc?
It doesnt make sense!

[Red @ Heart]

regarding the 1st episode of series 3 lol, as strange as it sounds and as strange as this series is getting all the animals and the characters that has been shown, didnt you notice how sawyer was put into the bears cage and kate was put into the other cage, im thinking horse!!! and the dr was put into an aquarium (forgot his name sheeeesh lol  ) im thinking somthing big and bad, somthing we havent seen yet.

could these 3 be new test subjects to transform into animals??
like i said a strange theory but like some one above said "the show gets stranger)

see you in another life brother 

[Mikz]

One thing Ive noticed is the way they use characters that look alike...I thought that girl was Penny Widmore , and the guy at the end of series 2 is another example when we actually thought it was good ol Jack .
As if they havent confused us enough 

[anti-hero]

regarding the 1st episode of series 3 lol, as strange as it sounds and as strange as this series is getting all the animals and the characters that has been shown, didnt you notice how sawyer was put into the bears cage and kate was put into the other cage, im thinking horse!!! and the dr was put into an aquarium (forgot his name sheeeesh lol  ) im thinking somthing big and bad, somthing we havent seen yet.

could these 3 be new test subjects to transform into animals??
like i said a strange theory but like some one above said "the show gets stranger)

see you in another life brother 

OR..


They used to hold real animals. 


i.e Bear's cage?

Remember the Polar Bear?

That would explain the fish biscuits rather nicely.

[Rafa D]

One thing Ive noticed is the way they use characters that look alike...I thought that girl was Penny Widmore , and the guy at the end of series 2 is another example when we actually thought it was good ol Jack .
As if they havent confused us enough 

what guy at the end of series 2 mikz?!? I must have missed him!!!

[Rafa D]

LOST THEORY POST  - DON'T READ UNLESS YOU WANT TO!!!

























Since I've taken the time to publish these points, please don't just dismiss it out of hand as 'discredited' or 'sci-fi'. If you wish to criticise then give a RATIONAL REFUTATION for any of the points. If you take the time and trouble to read and understand then please feel free. Also I would welcome any questions which may put the theory in doubt, or any loose ends that the theory does not address.

Clues In Episode 1 of Season 3.

01 The Displacement Effect
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The creators of the show love displacing the audience. I think the introduction was to get us to think that we are watching a typical flashback (it is indeed a flashback but from Juliet's POV) in the real world. Then they turn it around, we think we're in some normal town in America but it's actually on the island, yay! This is just a clever setup to get us to think that the island is still in the present. Imagine at the end of the season (or the next seasons) when the big displacement is that...not only are they lost on an island but they're lost IN THE FUTURE...gasp.

02 Not So Primitive
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The subtle point of the season 3 intro was to show that THE OTHERS aren't animals, and aren't primitive but part of a completely self-sufficient townlike community. Even with their own nice little bookclub. I think this trick is missed because we have already now assumed THE OTHERS are acting primitive or are not so primitive as they appeared in season 2.

03 Ticking Clock
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As Juliet chooses a CD we hear the tick-tock of a clock normally in the background. But during the bookclub and just a few moments before the earthquake (TIMEQUAKE) the clock seems to stop entirely. It definitely stops guys! The ticking clock is placed there for a very good reason, and I'm pretty sure this is a big clue by the producers to show that a time effect is involved.

04 Earthquake Effect
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This is clearly supposed to coincide with the malfunction in the SWAN STATION and this is when the TIME RIFT expands and OCEANIC FLIGHT 815 enters the island's air space. The earthquake is because TIME HAS CHANGED after the earthquake (TIMEQUAKE) as the plane now enters INTO THE FUTURE and crashes. I've seen this kind of thing before in sci-fi, possibly Timecop or some other scifi movie/tv-series when a big change has happened IN THE PAST.

05 Sci fi mentioned
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During the bookclub, a hint is dropped during the discussion that a book they're discussing isn't literature: described as 'popcorn' (meaning more or less pure entertainment) without a metaphor. Also described as by the religious numbers hokum pokum and SCIENCE FICTION. This is a joke by the creators. The creators are creating serious drama AND using scifi. The scifi they're using is part of the metaphor for the show. They're clearly big fans of scifi and fans of great works of literature. (Hence why the title of the episode is called A TALE OF TWO CITIES, it being a metaphor for this episode).
NOTE: An offhand remark that BEN isn't there because the book they're reading isn't literature. It is possible that BEN isn't there because of a possible relationship problem between BEN and JULIET. This may be explored later in the series and be part of a love triangle with JACK. This is also possibly why JULIET chooses the song DOWNTOWN to cheer herself up.

06 Stephen King
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The book being discussed by the bookclub is most likely a Stephen King book. Stephen King is not only a writer of horror but also a writer of science fiction, such as THE RUNNING MAN, THE TOMMY KNOCKERS, etc. Stephen King also wrote THE STAND which is about a giant plague and the END OF THE WORLD (basically armageddon). I think the book they're discussing is THE STAND by Stephen King, and it happens to be JULIET's favourite book. She also 'reacts' after Ben's name is mentioned, suggesting that JULIET and BEN are indeen in a relationship. Interestingly, the person JULIET argues with is named 'ADAM' (whom she appears to dislike intensely.).

Stephen King also wrote a short story called THE LANGOLIERS about a plane that travels through a TIME WARP/TIME RIFT into the past and future. THE LANGOLIERS are terrifying creatures that eat the past once the present has gone. In the film version of this story they can be seen approach initially by tearing down trees in a forest, exactly like the monster in episode 1 of the first season. THE PAST is empty of substance and flavour while THE FUTURE is brimmed with flavour and health. People seem to travel through time only if they're asleep.

Some people have suggested that the book they're discussing is CARRIE. This is entirely possible, but I've heard that THE STAND is one of the books that has influenced the creators of the show. Clearly they're Stephen King fans and clearly his books are having an influence on their ideas (As is Charles Dickens.).

07 Free Will
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Just as the very end of their discussion before the TIMEQUAKE, JULIET rants "Silly me for thinking so low as to select something that Ben wouldn't like. Here I am thinking that free-will still actually exists on ...". Clearly there is a big paradox between THE PAST and FREE-WILL. Perhaps Juliet thinks that in this time on the island they do have free-will. She doesn't finish because of the TIMEQUAKE but if she had, we may know exactly WHERE/WHEN they are.

08 Plane's Smoke Trail
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After the TIMEQUAKE and plane's travel through the TIME RIFT to the island, the plane appears to have suffered a catastrophic engine failure. It leaves behind a trail which begins very suddenly from where the plane likely didn't exist 30 seconds previously. The TIMEQUAKE and the trails seem to coincide exactly where the trails begin. This clearly points to the fact that the plane suddenly appeared out of the blue just after the quake. The failed engine appears to completely detach from the aircraft.

09 Engine Falling
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In the film DONNIE DARKO a plane breaks up in the middle of the air, its engine detaches and falls into a house. The entire plane crash is part of a time loop.

10 Listen, Learn Don't Get Involved
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Ben tells GOODWIN and ETHAN to "Listen, learn, don't get involved." THE OTHERS don't want the survivors to know anything which could possibly effect THE PAST if they are sent back.

11 Blood Samples
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JACK, SAWYER, KATE all appear to have had blood samples taken. The same happened with MICHAEL and CLAIRE when they were captured. In the film PHILEDELPHIA EXPERIMENT 2 which also involved time travel, the main character could only travel through time successfully if his DNA was compatible.

12 Hydra is Abandoned
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The HYDRA STATION is clearly an abandoned zoological research station. It isn't underwater. Seawater appears to be pumped to and fro into where JACK is imprisoned. THE OTHERS are keeping them all there instead of OTHERVILLE (the tiny town in the intro) in order to keep their town secret. If they find out about the town then they may put its existence in danger if the LOSTIES eventually return to the PAST. SAWYER and KATE are also being held in the same abandoned HYDRA STATION (the HYDRA logo is clearly seen on a pipe near SAWYER and he is caught by JULIET who is interrogating JACK).

NOTE: Although JULIET says they're underwater, they're probably not since we saw her walking in the forest before she catches SAWYER when he escaped. It's probably a joke by the creators after everyone on the net suggested that a hatch was underwater. Unless of course the HYDRA STATION is connected by some kind of transport and if it is made up of 9 different station parts (The HYDRA is a mythological creature with nine heads.).

13 The others are part of the Dharma Initiative
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The food supplies (tomato ketchup on KATE's breakfast table, and the water bottle on JACK's tray) have DHARMA INITIATIVE labels on them. This links THE OTHERS directly with the DHARMA INITIATIVE. They may be part of the UTOPIAN SOCIETY EXPERIMENT. They must be aware of the SWAN STATION because they made contact with MICHAEL via the computer terminal. However they may not have known this during DESMOND and KELVIN's stay there. KELVIN describes them as THE HOSTILES as does DESMOND. This may explain why BEN does not consider the SWAN STATION important. The UTOPIAN SOCIETY EXPERIMENT was kept secret from all the other DHARMA INITIATIVE stations. An incident (possibly 1985) may have resulted from the abandonment of all but THE SWAN and UTOPIAN SOCIETY EXPERIMENT.

14 "Let it go Jack."
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JACK's father says this significantly in a flashback. It then repeats mysteriously on an intercom in JACK's cell. How? This is pretty unexplainable... but JACK is holding a phone which may be recording on his father's mobile voicemail. THE OTHERS may have access to computer terminals (the same ones they used to contact MICHEAL in the SWAN STATION) and connect either to a massive futuristic database in their time or via the TRANSMITTER back into the PAST. Since THE OTHERS are in the future, they can potentially have access to everything in the PAST unless certain access is restricted to them.

It is also possible that JACK may simply be Hallucinating his father's voice from the effects of the drugs given to him and dehydration.

15 Ben saves his skin
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BEN closes the door without saving JULIET after JACK floods the room. He is either unheroic and a coward or the entire attempted escape of JACK was pre-planned. This was to get JACK to trust JULIET. JULIET knows about the button that shuts off the sea water and so I assume it was pre-planned. Perhaps the intercom was used to 'trigger' JACK's violent attempt to escape.

16 Fishy Biscuit
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KATE may have been threatened that SAWYER will be killed if she does not cooperate (They used WALT to control MICHEAL in a similar way to cooperate). This is why she looks like she's been ill-treated when we know she has not been. THE OTHERS are trying to con the con-man. They want SAWYER to believe THE OTHERS are primitive barbarians, but KATE and JACK now know different. KATE and JACK may be offered the chance to join THE OTHERS and their UTOPIAN SOCIETY EXPERIMENT just like BEN said when he was talking to LOCKE. The only downside of such a proposal is that neither JACK nor KATE could ever return to the PAST. They want SAWYER to return back with the LOSTIES. This may all tie-in with the themes and plot of the Dickens story A TALE OF TWO CITIES.

17 Everyone is Dead
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If my theory is correct, if THE LOSTIES and THE OTHERS are all now IN THE FUTURE, then the consequences are that JACK's wife is very much dead and gone. Although the possibility is that THE LOSTIES may be able to return again to their time. JACK will have to 'Let it go' if he is to join THE OTHERS in their UTOPIAN SOCIETY EXPERIMENT. The metaphor is very obviously to LET GO OF THE PAST.

[Mikz]

One thing Ive noticed is the way they use characters that look alike...I thought that girl was Penny Widmore , and the guy at the end of series 2 is another example when we actually thought it was good ol Jack .
As if they havent confused us enough 

what guy at the end of series 2 mikz?!? I must have missed him!!!

Jack: Do you ever think that maybe they put you down her to push a button every hundred minutes just to see if you would? The computer, the button, it's all a mind game!
Desmond: Every...single...day


pic on this link brother

http://www.imdb.com/gallery....,%20Len

Miss widmore ..its us..we found it

[Mikz]

Ive stopped researching and trying to work it all out brother -its impossible . It was driving me so crazy at one time , whenever we went out my woman used to prewarn everyone not to mention LOST in case I started...well ya know 

I think theyre taking us on a wild goose chase. The solution has to be something simple that the average no brainer can understand otherwise-whats the point

I still think theyve crash landed in purgatory and they have to settle issues or something..I know everyone says Damon Lindeloff has said it isnt purgatory but theres no evidence of him saying it that I can find.
orrrr...they have stumbled upon the lost city of ATLANTIS
Jbg said at the very outset it was a dream, and the way it makes no sense makes me wonder is it all a dream??? People would be outraged but Wizard of Oz did ok eh brother 

[Rafa D]

Aye brother however I would feel really disapointed if it did that.

Desmond is in episode 3 brother!

Cant wait by far the best character, then Mr Ecko!!!

[Red @ Heart]

regarding the 1st episode of series 3 lol, as strange as it sounds and as strange as this series is getting all the animals and the characters that has been shown, didnt you notice how sawyer was put into the bears cage and kate was put into the other cage, im thinking horse!!! and the dr was put into an aquarium (forgot his name sheeeesh lol  ) im thinking somthing big and bad, somthing we havent seen yet.

could these 3 be new test subjects to transform into animals??
like i said a strange theory but like some one above said "the show gets stranger)

see you in another life brother 

OR..


They used to hold real animals. 


i.e Bear's cage?

Remember the Polar Bear?

That would explain the fish biscuits rather nicely.

it was just a theory brother!!!!!, no need to mock brother 

[Red @ Heart]

somthing else, desmond always says see you in another life, maybe they are all dead :P

and is this show aired weekly or fortnightly i cant remember.

[anti-hero]

regarding the 1st episode of series 3 lol, as strange as it sounds and as strange as this series is getting all the animals and the characters that has been shown, didnt you notice how sawyer was put into the bears cage and kate was put into the other cage, im thinking horse!!! and the dr was put into an aquarium (forgot his name sheeeesh lol  ) im thinking somthing big and bad, somthing we havent seen yet.

could these 3 be new test subjects to transform into animals??
like i said a strange theory but like some one above said "the show gets stranger)

see you in another life brother 

OR..


They used to hold real animals. 


i.e Bear's cage?

Remember the Polar Bear?

That would explain the fish biscuits rather nicely.

it was just a theory brother!!!!!, no need to mock brother 

  Not mocking dude.

Its just that I remembered that there was a polar bear on the island, and the fish shaped biscuits and the rather big button and the trough where the water was dispensed was I thought, looked perfect to be in a cell that would hold a bear.


I dont really believe your theory of a Doctor Moreau like island but then again, everyone has their own theories. (Again.. NOT MOCKING.  )



At the end of the day, its all good.

What a T.V show.



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Anyone have an idea on what happened to Hurly??

[Mikz]

weekly. Some vids brother

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0zAokbGBLmg