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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:25 amby Woollyback
Personally I see my following of Liverpool (and therefore the whole football thing) not as a religion but as cult following, a tribal thing as opposed to some ethereal thinking determined by a higher body
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of it being like a new religion but my understanding of religions is different to that, I just can't buy into that idea
I'm actually a committed atheist so maybe I'm missing something brilliant in religion of any faith, but I can't equate my understanding of religion to my understanding of football. That's not to say I see football as an unimportant thing, far from it - I just see football as more tribal than theological
I'd actually be interested in an in-depth discussion on this issue with somebody with real devout religious beliefs, the whole thing fascinates me but probably better done by PM as this is of course a footy forum 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:30 amby The Ace1983
Oh, deffinatley. An athiest is free from the constraints of standardised religion and is therefore fully capable of transfering whatever beliefs he/she has on to a more literal form which does not rely on theology, but rather a physical certainty. I personally believe that everyone, everywhere must believe in something to be alive. This transfers into our current thesis, thus:
1. Belief = Alive
2. I believe (in LFC)
=. I am Alive.
Therefore, under the looser terms of this argument, football, for example, can be a substitute for religion, and so can be seen in the eyes of some as a religion itself. Simple really.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:31 amby The Canadian Red Army
i had a debate over msn for a good 3-4 months with this really religious christian girl on whether god really exsisted or not. I said he does not, but it ended in a stale mate because believing in a figure like god is more of a state of mind i think. Not to be confused with what i said earlier about stalking, its alot different.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:33 amby Woollyback
The Ace1983 wrote:Oh, deffinatley. An athiest is free from the constraints of standardised religion and is therefore fully capable of transfering whatever beliefs he/she has on to a more literal form which does not rely on theology, but rather a physical certainty. I personally believe that everyone, everywhere must believe in something to be alive. This transfers into our current thesis, thus:
1. Belief = Alive
2. I believe (in LFC)
=. I am Alive.
Therefore, under the looser terms of this argument, football, for example, can be a substitute for religion, and so can be seen in the eyes of some as a religion itself. Simple really.
Ace, I like your thinking fella
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:37 amby Ciggy
Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH. And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf 
. At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:41 amby The Canadian Red Army
cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH. And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf . At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.
sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:43 amby Woollyback
cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH. And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf . At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.
Lyndz sometimes I think life might be easier if you have a religion, lots of life's downs could be blamed on a higher being rather than searching within one's self for an explanation but things like the tsunami which couldn't possibly have been caused by a human strengthen my belief that there is no higher being.
Seriously, if there was, he/she wouldn't have allowed that to happen, not least to some of the poorest places on the planet. To me the only higher being is mother nature who decides when and where we'll all go
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:44 amby The Ace1983
Ah yes, but the major difficulty that God, Allah, Visnu, and all the other dieties have is that they are perfect. In the sense we use this word now, this means great, brilliant, wonderful. But in the religious sense this means that you are "everything" which means that God is as much evil as he is good. The Hindu trinity explain this best as they have The Creater, The Maintainer and The Destroyer. I'm not saying that God is bad, I'm saying that he is perfect and unfortunatley this means he must do as many wrongs as he does rights, though of course to him, there is no wrong or right. To him (or her, it, that, whatever) there is no justice, their is just him.
Can you tell I took A-level Philosophy?
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:45 amby Woollyback
The Canadian Red Army wrote:cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH. And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf
. At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.
sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush
F*cking good point CRA 
Having said that, Dubya thinks he's on a personal mission from "God", as do far too many yanks I fear 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:45 amby The Canadian Red Army
but dont you think god exsisted the planet would get kinda boring?
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:47 amby Woollyback
god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:48 amby The Canadian Red Army
Woollyback wrote:god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant
that is very true woolly
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:50 amby The Ace1983
The Canadian Red Army wrote:Woollyback wrote:god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant
that is very true woolly
God and Athieism ARE both in the eye of the beholder, but I fail to see how one's faith or lack of it can be considered irrelivant?
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:50 amby Ciggy
Woollyback wrote:The Canadian Red Army wrote:cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH. And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf
. At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.
sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush
F*cking good point CRA
Having said that, Dubya thinks he's on a personal mission from "God", as do far too many yanks I fear
Same can be said about others aswell wooly but im not going to get into an arguement on religion, cause it sucks big time.
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:52 amby JBG
No, and religion can be sent to General Chat.