ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:32 pm wrote:I wish people would stop saying we wasted the money, I don't think we have, I'm convinced the likes of Moreno, Manquillo, Can, Markovic, Origi, Ilorri etc will be very, very good players by the time they get into their mid 20's, in fact some of them are more than decent now at 19/20, it's not them who are letting us down it's the old guard.
With hindsight though after going so close last year and losing Suarez we probably needed to buy players who were closer to becoming the finished product as opposed to potential.
How can you say it wasn't wasted?
I don't also buy the hindsight arguement either. I called this from EARLY SUMMER and could see it then, so why can a "clueless fan" on a message board envisage such these basic problems that would occur, yet our manager who you think is such a genius fails to grasp these basic concepts.
The idea of spending money is to improve the team. Anythin else is a waste... The only time we should be signing "for the future" and prospects is A. If they're going to improve the team.... or B. You have money left over after making the required improvements to the team. We've had glaring improvements that have needed to be made since the day of Rodgers reign began and he's failed time and time again to do so. I don't understand how you can justify the money spent at all to be honest.
To fail to improve this side after spending the amount we have is not only a waste its boardering on criminal activety.
Every manager can make mistakes in the market, every manager can make bad signings or misjudge someone or something, but the point is Rodgers hasn't improved the side with the millions and millions he's spent with the exception of two players... (Coutinho and Sturridge) He's spent over £180,000,000 on other players who either... aren't suited to the system in any way what so ever, such as Lovren and Balotelli, both of which I think are very very good footballers with a lot to offer if used correctly... two players I believe could play for a top four side easily, but neither of which are being used in a system which gets anything out of them, we're actually playing to their weaknesses rather than their strengths... Balotelli is a quality player, but he's a completely different player to Suarez. We were never going to get anyone as good as Suarez, so we were always going to be weaker in attack this season, that was a given... but to sign a player so different and expect the same style of performances is shocking management to be quite frank. Had we signed Sanchez or Tevez, then by all means go with the same style, but signing a player like Mario or Ibramhimavic or another type was clearly going to need a change in system.
Are not ready first teamers... Can and Manquillo being examples... Two players by the way I ordinarily wouldn't be so set against, had a manager with even an average record in the market have signed. Both players look in the years to come they could add to the squad.. but again... its the word squad rather than first team. I'm not sure either are going to become top players. Manquillo has a bit of Rob Jones about him but going forward he's looked nervous to me. Can, while showing nothing in games has shown things in others... I don't think he'll ever be a consistent top player, but one of the oddest things about him is he doesn't fit or define a system we play, which as a central midfielder you'd think is a must.
Some, just aren't ever going to be good enough or even worse...
Haven't pulled on a shirt for the club.
Origi, Moreno and Markovic, while, not only not looking like them as players what so ever.. Thats over £45,000,000 wasted, on not only rubbish, but two of which haven't even looked like they could even compete at this level, even to a poor standard.
I don't believe in having a go at Rodgers for signings like Assaidi or Lambert... sometimes you sign a player like Assaidi for £2,500,000 loan him out and then get £5,000,000 a season or two later...
I look at the bigger picture though... Shelvey was sold for £6,000,000 as someone pointed out in another thread... which is buttons... yet, Allen, Can, and Alberto we signed for approximately £30,000,000 between them.. Alberto was never upto it, Can has not so far shown he has anything on Shelvey and neither has Allen...
Infact, I'd rather have Shelv than all of them truth be told... but the fact is, even if the others are better than Jonjo, are they £25,000,000 better? Were they ever going to be? Is Can ever going to be miles better than Shelvey was? Is Allen?
Its not just Shelvey by the way, he's just an easy example... but how you can suggest the money hasn't been wasted is shocking.
You then point to the old guard... but this is another part of the point. What are they still doing here £200,000,000 later? Gerrard was 31 when Rodgers was brought in, that past his best and he was only going to go one way, he shouldn't be a regular now three seasons into his reign, in all honesty, this is something early on that should have been addressed, but the money was wasted on other postions, such as Aspas, Alberto, illori... Then there is Henderson, a decent squad player, but again, still a regular.
The defence has been shocking in terms of tactical play since day one, not only that he started to replace our better players at the back with inferior players. On Reina, Agger and Enrique he should have definately handled things differently, its not hindsight... it was common sense... I understand he felt slightly tied with Pepe, I understood he made a decision and with Agger its never straight forward because of his injury record despite his quality, however, we recieved buttons... From there though, last season half way through it was obvious Mignolet was a mistake, had he corrected that mistake this summer, I'd have gone with that, as I said anyone can make an error in judgement and Mignolet had a couple looking at him wondering what if... but then on Agger, he let him go, despite him not being first choice or pushing to be... yet keeps Skrtel and Johnson. Lovren was brought in, for what its worth, tactically once we get set up I think Lovren and Sahko will eventually perform some sort of half decent partnership... The Johnson thing is baffling... one I can't get my head around as to why he's still here.
I said last season, its imperrative for us to maintain our position as a steady top four side we needed a quality right back, goalkeeper and a quality centre half, if not two and a replacement for Gerrard... once Suarez was sold, a change in system was most likely going to be required also and was always going to set us back... yet Rodgers has signed players who aren't crystal clear improvements and our weakest links are still in the side.... not to mention the good signings he's made he's getting nothing out of them.
You stance on the matter really confuses me yakka... its so cut and dry its unreal.