ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:10 pm wrote:devaney » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:59 pm wrote:Yakka I have defended BR and supported him more than most but after yesterday's pitiful performance I begin to question my own sanity. Our performance yesterday was one of the worst and badly managed I have witnessed in a very long time and Roger's need to ask himself some very serious questions. Fans spent a disproportionate amount of their hard earned income to support a team that didn't even look interested?
As for item 2 in your list of BR achievements I agree that he should be given credit for our runners up position in the league. But it shouldn't be ignored that he fkd up against Chelsea and the mighty Crystal Palace when it really mattered. Would it therefore be unkind to say that he eventually lost us the league?
And as for item 3 you rightly point out that he got us to two semi finals but given our performances in both of them I really wouldn't I really don't regard that as a major success. Lets face it we struggled to get past Blackburn in the quarters of the league cup.
Penguins and I don't always agree with what he says listed the players and asked the question which of them could get us into the top four. I hate to admit it but I don't altogether disagree with his ratings.
THERE IS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE DONE. That became very obvious recently when we played United and Arsenal. We also looked poor against Blackburn especially in the first half and the less said about yesterday the better.
No one is saying yesterday's performance was acceptable mate, all I am saying is that changing our manager every 5 minutes won't achieve much, if we do bring someone new in I can pretty much guarantee that in 2 or 3 seasons we'll be back at square one again with everyone screaming for the new man's head.
Like it or not the plain facts are that there are 4 clubs in this division with more resources and bigger wage bills than us. It's unrealistic to expect Brendan or any other manager for that matter to finish above one or all of those clubs every season. That is just not going to happen when they are shopping at Harrods and we are shopping down Breck Road.
He did it last year when he was given the tools to do the job (i.e a class player in his prime) but this year he didn't. That's life when your not one of the big spenders I'm afraid.
Brendan like all managers will have good seasons and poor seasons, this isn't a video game like FIFA, success doesn't come in a smooth upward curve.
I think Brendan given the right tools has the ability to win the league, I think that is in his skill set, I am not saying it is going to happen next season or anytime soon but I think if this club gets itself sorted off the field and gives our manager something resembling a level playing field I think he can hold his own against the likes of Mourinho, LVG and Wenger, which is something I couldn't say about Hodgson or even this version of Kenny.
I'm not going to get drawn into the whole sack Rodgers drama because I'm still not sure it would be the right decision. A while back I suggested that the ideal situation would be for us to loan Rodgers to Tottenham for 2 years and then bring him back. I think he's 2 years away from being a very good manager for this club.
Back to reality. The situation we find ourselves in is a really tough one for the owners. On the one hand, you have a young and highly rated manager who came close to winning you the league a season ago while getting the side to 2 semis in the next campaign and finishing behind 4 better sides. On the other hand, the same manager is to blame for the fact that 4 sides are better than his, when he had a great opportunity to build on a highly successful campaign the previous season.
Now ill get to your points:
No one is saying yesterday's performance was acceptable mate, all I am saying is that changing our manager every 5 minutes won't achieve much, if we do bring someone new in I can pretty much guarantee that in 2 or 3 seasons we'll be back at square one again with everyone screaming for the new man's head.
The idea of managers sticking around at clubs for long is becoming a bit outdated in this day and age. To be perfectly honest, if Brendan had a formation or style of play that he persisted with and the only problem was developing/bringing in the players to make that system work, your stance would make much more sense. As it is, we play 2 or 3 different different formations in the space of 90mins and I'm still not sure if we are a better possession or counter attacking side.
3 seasons in, I find myself satisfied with what Rodgers has done at the club. I also dont like the constant changing of managers, although I completely disagree with the notion that changing managers somehow leads to clubs underachieving or taking steps in the wrong direction; See Chelsea, City, Swansea, Southampton, R.Madrid, Barcelona, etc. for examples.
Like it or not the plain facts are that there are 4 clubs in this division with more resources and bigger wage bills than us. It's unrealistic to expect Brendan or any other manager for that matter to finish above one or all of those clubs every season. That is just not going to happen when they are shopping at Harrods and we are shopping down Breck Road.
Thats a misconception. The only side that spent more than we did this season is ManUtd. Look at what we got for the 120mill we spent. Now compare that to:
Arsenal: 95 mill spent - Brought in: Ospina, Paulista, Chambers, Debuchy, Welbeck, Sanchez
Chelsea: 118 mill spent - Brought in: Filipe Luis, Cuadrado, Fabregas, Remy, Costa, Drogba
Man Utd: 145mill spent - Brought in: Valdes, Rojo, Shaw, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Falcao (loan)
Man City: 87 mill spent - Brought in: Mangala, Sagna, Fernando, Bony
Chelsea and City obviously have the finances to go out and spend big whenever they feel like it and they have done so in the past few year. But I'm not sure you can say that both Utd and Arsenal have as well. Over the past 5 years, we've spent more than both. You look at the wage bills, and we're not as far behind as some would have you believe. The same 35 mill difference between our wage bill and Chelsea's is the difference betweeen Chelsea's bill and Man Utd's.
The main issue I see is HOW we spend rather than HOW MUCH. Rodgers gets the blame for that.
He did it last year when he was given the tools to do the job (i.e a class player in his prime) but this year he didn't. That's life when your not one of the big spenders I'm afraid.
Brendan IS the tool. His job is to go out and find the best talent to build a competitive side. He needs the cash and as far as I'm aware he
consistently had it available and failed to use it properly.
Brendan like all managers will have good seasons and poor seasons, this isn't a video game like FIFA, success doesn't come in a smooth upward curve.
Agreed.
I think Brendan given the right tools has the ability to win the league, I think that is in his skill set, I am not saying it is going to happen next season or anytime soon but I think if this club gets itself sorted off the field and gives our manager something resembling a level playing field I think he can hold his own against the likes of Mourinho, LVG and Wenger, which is something I couldn't say about Hodgson or even this version of Kenny.
He has proven that he can mount a serious challenge, but he's also proven that he doesnt yet have what it takes to win it when all was set for him to do so. To a large extent I'll agree with him having the skill set, but will we/he have another Suarez helping his cause in the future. Again you mention tools, and I can only assume you mean a better playing squad, but isnt it Rodgers who needs to go out and buy quality instead of
gambling all the money he gets on prospects and mid table players he seems to think he can turn world class.