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lakes10 wrote:

roberto green wrote:

lakes10 wrote:Roy was given the job to make do with what he had untill money come in to build a new team.

Yes Roy had to make do with

Pepe Reina (one of the best goalkeepers in Europe)

Jamie Carragher (with all his experience)

Glen Johnson (the best in his position in the league)

Steven Gerrard (says it all)

Dirk Kuyt (The work horse that every team needs)

Lucas (The most improved player at the club)

Maxi (would finally settle in this season)

Torres (best striker in Europe if you (Roy) employs the right tactics)

oh dear me poor Roy

yes, shame Rafa could not get the best out of them aswell.

What?     

roberto green wrote:

lakes10 wrote:Roy was given the job to make do with what he had untill money come in to build a new team.

Glen Johnson (the best in his position in the league)

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Thommo's perm wrote:

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Im not in the slightest bit interested in Mourinho.
I am simply stating that whatever Benitez has done in the past he now needs a lengthy rest and we certainly dont need a manager who has been sacked twice in six months

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Im not in the slightest bit interested in Mourinho.
I am simply stating that whatever Benitez has done in the past he now needs a lengthy rest and we certainly dont need a manager who has been sacked twice in six months

Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

people like purslow and broughton where not the right people to make that decision, this season proves that beyond any doubt.

would i have Benitez back, at this present time probably not as his confidence has taken a battering this last years or so, but for people to suggest that he has somehow become a $*i*e manager after alll he has had to put up with is not being fair on the man.

lets also not forget Mourinho inherited a winning side yet he gets praised for what he done but Benitez has to put up with $*i*e like he won the CL with Houlliers team, its fooking bollcks and its cr@p like this that gets peoples backs up and makes them defend the guy.

Thommo's perm wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Im not in the slightest bit interested in Mourinho.
I am simply stating that whatever Benitez has done in the past he now needs a lengthy rest and we certainly dont need a manager who has been sacked twice in six months

Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

people like purslow and broughton where not the right people to make that decision, this season proves that beyond any doubt.

would i have Benitez back, at this present time probably not as his confidence has taken a battering this last years or so, but for people to suggest that he has somehow become a $*i*e manager after alll he has had to put up with is not being fair on the man.

lets also not forget Mourinho inherited a winning side yet he gets praised for what he done but Benitez has to put up with $*i*e like he won the CL with Houlliers team, its fooking bollcks and its cr@p like this that gets peoples backs up and makes them defend the guy.

I reckon people should stop talking about him for a while

Says the person who probably spends the most time in here. 

Thommo's perm wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Im not in the slightest bit interested in Mourinho.
I am simply stating that whatever Benitez has done in the past he now needs a lengthy rest and we certainly dont need a manager who has been sacked twice in six months

Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

people like purslow and broughton where not the right people to make that decision, this season proves that beyond any doubt.

would i have Benitez back, at this present time probably not as his confidence has taken a battering this last years or so, but for people to suggest that he has somehow become a $*i*e manager after alll he has had to put up with is not being fair on the man.

lets also not forget Mourinho inherited a winning side yet he gets praised for what he done but Benitez has to put up with $*i*e like he won the CL with Houlliers team, its fooking bollcks and its cr@p like this that gets peoples backs up and makes them defend the guy.

I reckon people should stop talking about him for a while

Emerald Red wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

Penguins wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:Its really a non argument. Hodgson took over Benitezes squad, good and bad and has had to cope with an uphill climb from day one.
The previous record of Benitez is irrelevant now as he has been sacked twice in 6 months, one of them from a treble winning club
He obviously needs a long rest from football and Im sure he will get it, unless some loon decides to give him a job

What a dense logic.

Why was Rafa's record with the lfc squad irrelevant?

Fact:

1. Rafa built squad good and bad
2. Rafa finished 7th one season and missed CL football once during 6 year.
3. 7th in one season for Rafa was deemed catastrophic and he was let go no matter what he did the previous 5 seasons.
3. Roy is doing worse in his 1st season with that squad than Rafa ever did.

What is not fact is the total nonsense about what Rafa is or isn't doing at Inter/Mars/wherever has relevance for Lfc.
Inter solf Balotelli and didn't invest 1 penny when rafa came.

When "messiah" came as always he got plenty of cash to splash(Quaresma, flop, Mancini, flop etc) but somehow everyone forgets that fake **** comes to a served table every time, gets what he points at like a spoilt kid and when he leaves a club it always takes awhile for the club to start anew. Was the same with Chelski.

Im not in the slightest bit interested in Mourinho.
I am simply stating that whatever Benitez has done in the past he now needs a lengthy rest and we certainly dont need a manager who has been sacked twice in six months

Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

people like purslow and broughton where not the right people to make that decision, this season proves that beyond any doubt.

would i have Benitez back, at this present time probably not as his confidence has taken a battering this last years or so, but for people to suggest that he has somehow become a $*i*e manager after alll he has had to put up with is not being fair on the man.

lets also not forget Mourinho inherited a winning side yet he gets praised for what he done but Benitez has to put up with $*i*e like he won the CL with Houlliers team, its fooking bollcks and its cr@p like this that gets peoples backs up and makes them defend the guy.

I reckon people should stop talking about him for a while

In a thread about Rafa? No.

I know
Lets carry on

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

neil wrote:

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:Benitez should of been given the chance to put last seasons poor effort right, what he had done before easily earned him that right.

he was given a chance, at inter, remember?

he did, right up to the point he slagged off the owners of the club 

crazyhorse wrote:Lets not loose sight of the fact that for many seasons we were arguing on here about rotation, negative tactics and bizzarre team selection.

Rafa won the CL and kept us up there, but at the same time there were many (me included) who did not like his methods. Lots of things happened that were highly regrettable, such as the Klinsmann incident and the swell of support he got from all fans I believe made him feel he was bigger than the club.

He has too much of an arrogance about him, which to an extent is a good thing but his methods in the end failed and so did the team. No way should he come back here. I would rather have Souness! and I rate the damage done to the club by Benitez as being no less than that done by Souness.

Thommo's perm wrote:

crazyhorse wrote:Lets not loose sight of the fact that for many seasons we were arguing on here about rotation, negative tactics and bizzarre team selection.

Rafa won the CL and kept us up there, but at the same time there were many (me included) who did not like his methods. Lots of things happened that were highly regrettable, such as the Klinsmann incident and the swell of support he got from all fans I believe made him feel he was bigger than the club.

He has too much of an arrogance about him, which to an extent is a good thing but his methods in the end failed and so did the team. No way should he come back here. I would rather have Souness! and I rate the damage done to the club by Benitez as being no less than that done by Souness.

Interesting
Many people I have spoken to refuse to believe or even acknowledge that Benitez did any damage to the club