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ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:29 pm wrote:Rodgers went ridiculously close, in fact after beating City we were 5 points clear with 3 games to go (although City did have a game in hand and vastly superior goal difference). A draw would have done against Chelsea but I guess you can't legislate for something like Gerrard slipping over.

redshade » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:36 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:29 pm wrote:Rodgers went ridiculously close, in fact after beating City we were 5 points clear with 3 games to go (although City did have a game in hand and vastly superior goal difference). A draw would have done against Chelsea but I guess you can't legislate for something like Gerrard slipping over.

We played some fantastic footy under Brendan Rogers so credit must be given to him. Under Brendan it was the closest ever chance we had winning the title. I really thought we will win it then but like you said mate had Brendan been more "pragmatic" against Chelsea we probably would've done it.

Brendan just screwed up bigtime when Suarez left we just had no real system, no clue, no style of play.

Anyhow people I'm convinced we will have a title challenge with Klopp as well and im praying he brings home No.19.

Well prior to that he will bring home No.6 this season.

eds » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:27 pm wrote:This thread has gone from a FSG love in to a blo*dy Rodgers orgy....

Oh Brendan the Brave, oh Brendan the magnificent, oh Brendan the unlucky.

Do I need you to remind you what a complete f**k up this goon was! From the litany of rubbish he signed and the money wasted on arguably the worst players we have ever seen wear our shirt. It wasn’t Henderson or Gerrrad that lost us the title it was turds like Iago Aspas who couldn’t even cross the ball when that’s all we expected from them......

Do you all to be reminded the 3 other disgraceful seasons we had with him, the pathetic sound bite excuses he was reknown for, the debarcle that was our early CL exit, the inexcusable hammering we received from f**king Stoke in Stevie G’s last game?!? You all have very, very short memories.

I will go as far as saying he lost us the title. Any other manager in the top 4 with that attack line up would have won it in a canter. Klopp would have won us something at least.

The man was an utter disgrace. And quiet frankly that fact that most of you have weird romanticized memories of this con artist is embarrassing.

redshade » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:52 pm wrote::D easy there mate..

We all know how poor his last season was but i still stand the title challenging season he done really well with the team. Yes we all know we had the title in the bag but it just didn't happen. Rafa was class but even Rafa didn't come as close as Brendan did.

Reg » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:51 am wrote:The snake oil peddler!   :laugh: 

Ok lets rewind a bit and remember the facts of the matter. H&G caused untold damage to LFC, Rafa tried to fight a one man defence and will the best intentions in the world, blew it. Hodgson, who rivals Donald Trump as the world's village idiot was appointed when everyone would tell you he was incompatible with the job, club and fans. But at least we didn't get Fat Sam like the blueshite have.

Broughton played a good hand as chairman and brought in FSG.
Woy had to go, Kenny took over as someone rightly said, to restore some sanity and stability to the club. Being out dated it didn't last.
FSG being inexperienced but showing imagination went for a young man. Fans at the time were not upset and Rodgers was appointed.
In the short term the club struggled to regain control of its finances and there were transfer budget constraints so the Moneyball strategy was adopted. At the same time Comolli was brought in to guide FSG and Rodgers and reproduce some of the young talent finds he'd done at Spurs. So Rodgers was a gamble but was supported by Comolli - seems sensible to me.

The team that came second had Suarez, Sturrdige, Sterling, Gerrard, Carra, Henderson, Joe Allen, Migs - it wasn't bad! But Suarez left, Sterling was sold and we went into the doldrums.

What annoyed the fans most was despite the declining standard of footie on the pitch and dropping points and conceding goals, the manager insisted that they were 'amazing', 'outstanding', 'Massive effort' when we could all see it was cr@p. Rodgers lost credibility, Moneyball didn't work and we ground to a halt. The fans and to some extent the players gave up on Rodgers.

So FSG brought in Klopp on the 3rd highest EPL manager's salary to turn it round. He set amongst the slackers, brought in new blood and rejuvenated some of the existing team.

To answer my own question what have they done wrong, I'd say as new owners and not understanding English footie, the fans or the club, they've done remarkably little wrong and what they did do wrong in the first 2-3 years has been repaired.

There's no one out there right now I'd swap them for, thats for sure.

eds » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:01 am wrote:

redshade » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:52 pm wrote::D easy there mate..

We all know how poor his last season was but i still stand the title challenging season he done really well with the team. Yes we all know we had the title in the bag but it just didn't happen. Rafa was class but even Rafa didn't come as close as Brendan did.

Rafa best season was coming 2nd (with a team he built) and if it wasn’t for that flaky Russian scoring four goals in one game for Arsenal, we would have won the title. He also won us the CL with a very limited squad, something the snake oil peddler could spend 100 years trying to do and NEVER achieve.

To compare the two together is just down right stupidity. And I was never really a Benitez fan TBH.

Reg » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:51 am wrote:The snake oil peddler!   :laugh: 

Ok lets rewind a bit and remember the facts of the matter. H&G caused untold damage to LFC, Rafa tried to fight a one man defence and will the best intentions in the world, blew it. Hodgson, who rivals Donald Trump as the world's village idiot was appointed when everyone would tell you he was incompatible with the job, club and fans. But at least we didn't get Fat Sam like the blueshite have.

Broughton played a good hand as chairman and brought in FSG.
Woy had to go, Kenny took over as someone rightly said, to restore some sanity and stability to the club. Being out dated it didn't last.
FSG being inexperienced but showing imagination went for a young man. Fans at the time were not upset and Rodgers was appointed.
In the short term the club struggled to regain control of its finances and there were transfer budget constraints so the Moneyball strategy was adopted. At the same time Comolli was brought in to guide FSG and Rodgers and reproduce some of the young talent finds he'd done at Spurs. So Rodgers was a gamble but was supported by Comolli - seems sensible to me.

The team that came second had Suarez, Sturrdige, Sterling, Gerrard, Carra, Henderson, Joe Allen, Migs - it wasn't bad! But Suarez left, Sterling was sold and we went into the doldrums.

What annoyed the fans most was despite the declining standard of footie on the pitch and dropping points and conceding goals, the manager insisted that they were 'amazing', 'outstanding', 'Massive effort' when we could all see it was cr@p. Rodgers lost credibility, Moneyball didn't work and we ground to a halt. The fans and to some extent the players gave up on Rodgers.

So FSG brought in Klopp on the 3rd highest EPL manager's salary to turn it round. He set amongst the slackers, brought in new blood and rejuvenated some of the existing team.

To answer my own question what have they done wrong, I'd say as new owners and not understanding English footie, the fans or the club, they've done remarkably little wrong and what they did do wrong in the first 2-3 years has been repaired.

There's no one out there right now I'd swap them for, thats for sure.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:29 pm wrote:Rodgers went ridiculously close, in fact after beating City we were 5 points clear with 3 games to go (although City did have a game in hand and vastly superior goal difference). A draw would have done against Chelsea but I guess you can't legislate for something like Gerrard slipping over.
Brendan was really unlucky.

Reg » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:31 am wrote:I'd say we had little choice in the first few years of FSG to play moneyball, it was a good way of disguising the fact we were broke so BR was appointed in a period of lean funding. Same time, now the finances are better we've come out of moneyball and I don't expect us to return to it. It was a necessity, not a choice.