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Mascherano or lucas...
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:26 amby Fo Dne
You're drawing at home to an average side. You've got these two in midfield. Mascherano playing at 80% of what he's capable of and looking like he could step it up, Lucas playing at 100% of what he's capable of.
You need a winner and you have to take one of them off, who do you change? And why? (Which player do you bring off?)
I can't surely be the only one who thinks its complete stupidity to take of Mascherano ahead of Lucas. I'd be interested to here what everyone thinks and why.
Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:35 amby bigmick
Well I was one of the people who quite liked Lucas when he first came (Stu was initially unsure of him too as I recall). He still just occasionally pings one of first time, or kills it dead on the run and just gets me thinking that he might one day make a footballer. His problem it seems to me though is that he is obsessed with ball retention above all else, and because of this plays a succession of nothing balls in the direction he is facing.
He sort of gets his foot in, is quite good in the air for a small guy, but never ever looks like he's about to make a contribution to a game other than simply moving the ball onto the next player in line. There's no perception in his passing, no edge, no crispness. He doesn't attack it in the box, he kind of drifts into spaces where the ball has already been. He doesn't drive forward, he kind of allows the flow of the game to take him there.
Ultimately I think he'll probably go on to become a nice tidy player in a nice tidy team. That team probably won't be in England I shouldn't think, and in horseracing parlance despite having ability, he hasn't trained on.
In the game in question, it was ridiculous IMHO to rest Alonso and play Lucas, and even worse to bring the Argentinian off when Alonso came on.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:51 amby Rush Job
I still think Masch played ahead of Alonso and Lucas was in for the injured SG.
Alonso and Masch play off each others toes so the only option was to bring of Masch.
I posted wrong because I didnt bother to read the open post I though it was a straight question and of course there would be only one winner.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:19 amby account deleted by request
Masch has still not got back to the form of last season, but neither has Lucas. Presumably the Olympics have played their part? I would pick Masch on crutches ahead of Lucas though.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:30 amby Bad Bob
Fo Dne wrote:You're drawing at home to an average side. You've got these two in midfield. Mascherano playing at 80% of what he's capable of and looking like he could step it up, Lucas playing at 100% of what he's capable of.
You need a winner and you have to take one of them off, who do you change? And why? (Which player do you bring off?)
I can't surely be the only one who thinks its complete stupidity to take of Mascherano ahead of Lucas. I'd be interested to here what everyone thinks and why.
Five to one for bringing Masch off? 
Either you completely misunderstand people's love for Lucas, Stu, or you've devised your poll poorly. 
Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:33 amby account deleted by request
I thought the choice was simply Masch or Lucas, not which one do you bring off.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:29 amby maypaxvobiscum
i voted to bring Mash off. simply cause he offers less of an attacking threat then Lucas who plays farther upfield and would offer more support in attacks. but Mash is the better player for sure. actually a better scenario would be taking OFF Mash for Lucas.
*Badbob i thought the poll was cunningly done *
Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:24 amby metalhead
s@int wrote:I thought the choice was simply Masch or Lucas, not which one do you bring off.
Agreed
Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:33 amby Red Dotty
it of a closed comment, but this seems pointless to me.
Mascharano is quality end of
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:38 pmby Leonmc0708
I am surprised that "the all seeing heavenly eye of football player catogorisation and rating" does not know that these are two completely different types of midfielders.
For the hard of thinking:
Mascherano is adefensive midfielder.
Lucas is an attacking midfielder.
Disclaimer(s)
- I know which one is the better player, but when you are looking to win a game, for me you take off a defensive player over an attack minded one ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
- I do not love Lucas
Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:44 pmby Bam
There are so many disclaimers being made these days.
Disclaimer, I dont think people making disclaimers are numpties or anything like that, infact it is rightly justified given the amount of numpties responding to those without disclaimers and jumping to conclusions.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:48 pmby Leonmc0708
Bam wrote:There are so many disclaimers being made these days.
Disclaimer, I dont think people making disclaimers are numpties or anything like that, infact it is rightly justified given the amount of numpties responding to those without disclaimers and jumping to conclusions.
Thanks for that.
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Posted:
Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:58 pmby Ace Ventura
You take Lucas off and ask Xabi to play further up the pitch.
Simple really.
Lucas may be an attacking midfielder in some peoples descriptions, but i am yet to see any attacking threat this season from him.
With Alonso further forward you at least have the hope that he will spot a clever pass in a position that is more likely to hurt the opposition.
Lucas was offering nothing at all, i genuinely believe that rafa was being stubborn with that decision.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:01 pmby Bam
Leonmc0708 wrote:Bam wrote:There are so many disclaimers being made these days.
Disclaimer, I dont think people making disclaimers are numpties or anything like that, infact it is rightly justified given the amount of numpties responding to those without disclaimers and jumping to conclusions.
Thanks for that.
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This should of been extended to previous posts made by me. I will be taking this up with the powers that be online at www.assholesonforumswreckmyhead.co.uk/whatthefcuk. If not, I want my fiver back.
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Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:08 pmby Leonmc0708
Ace Ventura wrote:You take Lucas off and ask Xabi to play further up the pitch.
Simple really.
Lucas may be an attacking midfielder in some peoples descriptions, but i am yet to see any attacking threat this season from him.
With Alonso further forward you at least have the hope that he will spot a clever pass in a position that is more likely to hurt the opposition.
Lucas was offering nothing at all, i genuinely believe that rafa was being stubborn with that decision.
Quote of the century.
Disclaimer, Its not personal mate, just love the way you have adamantly decleared the way to win premier league as though its like splitting peas.