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Bad Bob wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

Owzat wrote:

Zi-Dan Agger wrote:

Owzat wrote:Oh and btw, Rafa's next defeat will be his 50th defeat in charge of Liverpool and he's only just past 200 games in charge.

Ever the optimist  .

Can't hide the fact that he loses near enough 1 in 4 and 50 is a landmark, even if not a positive one. The mancs are lucky and may well beat us, if I mention it now it might stop it happening this weekend.......................

Now THAT'S optimistic/positive

S@int - Hyypia had an easy game last night, and as usual whenever he was beaten for pace he brought the man down cynically. Mars A posed little threat, apart from a couple of balls in behind the defence - one of which Benayoun did fantastically well on. Had they played even remotely well it would have been a much closer affair, they gambled with their defensive strategy and it failed very early on. If Niang's their best striker then it's no wonder they are in trouble. Hyypia was involved in a run of five straight wins, most of the teams we beat were ordinary/poor. Same again applies last night, Mars A were poor

Doesn't Rafa have won of the highest winning percentages amongst Liverpool managers?

On the Hyypia thing, I find it interesting that when your stats support your particular biases you just put the numbers up as if they spoke for themselves yet when they go against your biases, you dismiss the numbers by emphasizing how poor the opposition supposedly is etc.  I guess you're not quite as objective as you sometimes make out with this numbers lark. 

One of the highest points per game, not that the last few have been much of opposition to his form.

Explain.

Owzat wrote:Knock yourself out, either put forward stats that prove the recent opposition in those five straight wins were all world beaters (Porto, Newcastle, Fulham, Bolton and Besiktas) or belt up once and for all. We get you don't like stats and you think the sun shines out of Crouch's ar se. Normally it's mancs that don't like stats, the others are those who don't like what they show and they bleat a lot in trying to make out they're not significant.

Perhaps it's best you simply don't respond to my posts, you clearly want to disagree with a lot of things I say with a lot of hot air and without any proper substantiation.

Einstein - ............................and there you have the theory of relatitivity
Bad Bob - it's funny how your theory proves what you want it to, "I guess you're not quite as objective as you sometimes make out with this numbers lark"

I've got some numbers for you to chew on, mate.

Since Agger has been injured Sami Hyypia has played 16 games, with the following results:

Won.....8
Drew.....4
Lost.....3

Goals For.....33
Goals Against.....9
Goal Differential.....+24

Clean Sheets.....8

Care to explain to us now how it is that you're certain he's past it?  Perhaps you'll tell us that every team we've faced in that period has been rubbish but, of course, you only can beat what's in front of you.  More importantly, that would just be excuse to explain away stats that you don't agree with, wouldn't it? 

Bad Bob wrote:

Owzat wrote:Knock yourself out, either put forward stats that prove the recent opposition in those five straight wins were all world beaters (Porto, Newcastle, Fulham, Bolton and Besiktas) or belt up once and for all. We get you don't like stats and you think the sun shines out of Crouch's ar se. Normally it's mancs that don't like stats, the others are those who don't like what they show and they bleat a lot in trying to make out they're not significant.

Perhaps it's best you simply don't respond to my posts, you clearly want to disagree with a lot of things I say with a lot of hot air and without any proper substantiation.

Einstein - ............................and there you have the theory of relatitivity
Bad Bob - it's funny how your theory proves what you want it to, "I guess you're not quite as objective as you sometimes make out with this numbers lark"

I've got some numbers for you to chew on, mate.

Since Agger has been injured Sami Hyypia has played 16 games, with the following results:

Won.....8
Drew.....4
Lost.....3

Goals For.....33
Goals Against.....9
Goal Differential.....+24

Clean Sheets.....8

Care to explain to us now how it is that you're certain he's past it?  Perhaps you'll tell us that every team we've faced in that period has been rubbish but, of course, you only can beat what's in front of you.  More importantly, that would just be excuse to explain away stats that you don't agree with, wouldn't it? 

He was clearly playing very shakily earlier in the season when faced with pacey, skillful players. However, the combination of his intelligence, experience and defensive brilliance, along with the adoption of a deeper defensive line has seen him flourish again.

s@int wrote:Anelka has scored 19 goals in 48 league games for Bolton, Martins has scored 17 goals in 43 league games for Newcastle, and Cisse has scored 17 in 42 games for Marseille. All decent strike rates. Hyypia has made 20 appearances this season (all against poor sides )  and we have let in 6 goals, not bad for someone over the hill. I don't think anyone is saying he is world class, just that he has been very good.

Edit Bob you can't call the three goals against Reading mate (He wasn't even on the pitch!!! )

Bad Bob wrote:

s@int wrote:Anelka has scored 19 goals in 48 league games for Bolton, Martins has scored 17 goals in 43 league games for Newcastle, and Cisse has scored 17 in 42 games for Marseille. All decent strike rates. Hyypia has made 20 appearances this season (all against poor sides )  and we have let in 6 goals, not bad for someone over the hill. I don't think anyone is saying he is world class, just that he has been very good.

Edit Bob you can't call the three goals against Reading mate (He wasn't even on the pitch!!! )

I was counting Sami's games in all competitions, mate--CL and the league (but only since Agger's injury in the warm-up at Porto):

League goals conceded: 2 to Spurs, 1 to Everton, 1 to Arsenal.

CL goals conceded: 1 to Porto, 1 to Marseille, 2 to Besiktas, 1 to Porto

TOTAL = 9

I thought you had included the Reading goals mate, sorry 

s@int wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

s@int wrote:Anelka has scored 19 goals in 48 league games for Bolton, Martins has scored 17 goals in 43 league games for Newcastle, and Cisse has scored 17 in 42 games for Marseille. All decent strike rates. Hyypia has made 20 appearances this season (all against poor sides )  and we have let in 6 goals, not bad for someone over the hill. I don't think anyone is saying he is world class, just that he has been very good.

Edit Bob you can't call the three goals against Reading mate (He wasn't even on the pitch!!! )

I was counting Sami's games in all competitions, mate--CL and the league (but only since Agger's injury in the warm-up at Porto):

League goals conceded: 2 to Spurs, 1 to Everton, 1 to Arsenal.

CL goals conceded: 1 to Porto, 1 to Marseille, 2 to Besiktas, 1 to Porto

TOTAL = 9

I thought you had included the Reading goals mate, sorry 

Not a problem, mate.

You know, though, you had the right idea including the four matches Sami played before Agger got hurt.  When you add those in, the numbers look like this:

Played.....20 (out of 25 possible games)

Won.....12
Drew.....4
Lost.....3

Goals For.....46
Goals Against.....9
Goal Difference.....+37

Clean Sheets.....12

Based on those numbers, there is no way it can be said that Sami has been a liability for us this season.