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by **JoeTerp** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:40 am

Sabre, maybe you will have better luck with info with Tia Alberta

by **SupitsJonF** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:06 am

It's over

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:23 am

Thread reopened after a little mop up. Mick, Lando just ignore each other. It's really the only way forward.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:17 am

Bad Bob wrote: Mick, Lando just ignore each other. It's really the only way forward.

Oh I don't know Bob, I'm a little more optimistic than that. I think there's possibility that people could post up football points and not run into a shedload of abuse. Perhaps if people disagree with a football point they could say why, offer an alternative opinion etc. Perhaps they could even occasionally agree to differ, respect other peoples point of view without calling them a c..., that sort of thing.

I know I'm a bit idealistic sometimes, but you never know it might happen one day. Maybe that's the way forward?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:09 am

I don't want to become embroiled in yet another argument, but I think the point you are missing Lando is that most people can have a difference of opinion without one of them being called a Kunt and receiving a torrent of abuse etc etc.

I don't happen to think as highly of Alonso as you do. That doesn't mean I think he is a waste of space , a cr@p player or anything of the sort. It just means I don't value his contribution or importance to the team as highly as you do. Surely I am entitled to my opinion no matter how "wrong " it is in your eyes, just as you are entitled to your opinion no matter how "wrong " I think it is.

Very little ever actually gets "proven" because this is a football forum and football is all about opinions, so why not just state your opinions and your reasons and accept that others may not necessarily agree with them. There is no need for the abuse, because calling someone a Kunt won't change their mind about anything other than their opinion of you.

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:55 am

Ah.. seems like i missed all the fun again... i wouldn’t waste my time trying to explain anything to Lando... He’s quite the intelligent guy he knows what hes doing... he enjoys the little name calling spats.. he knows he has it in his vocabulary to find 3 synonyms for *unt and shove them all in one sentence... he knows the mods know the difference between humor and insult, thus his immunity from any cards apparently..

Indeed our very own Lando Griffin, our fat clown and Newkit's only source of amusement..

Lando... big fella who uses big words and talks big but in truth you’re nothing but a little cyber punk... In all seriousness though, why not stick to general chat or whatever that section is called... to be honest i only recently realized you were a member in the forum... you were never in the footie section and didn’t even contribute to the intelligent topics being discussed in general chat (no offense judge

)... always took you for the kind of poster who would post in threads about tennis, rugby, fast foods, star trek... i don’t know but seems to be what you’re all about... stick to that because deep down you must surely know that even Martha Stuart probably knows more about 'soccer' than you do.. no need to embarrass yourself and look like an idiot trying to explain it :;):

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:07 am

mmm.. sorry if this thread is way off track btw...

heres a couple of youtube vids to get this back on track a little...

Alonso 1

Alonso 2

Alonso passing in 1 game

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:49 am

Anyway, back onto the topic. Is Xabi staying, is he going or what? It's actually a bit of a shame that such a good player and a top pro often becomes the main debating point on the forum. I should think most people would accept he's a really good player, it's just when others think he's even better than really good and get quite protective of him that it all boils over.

I still can't quite get my head around that "there's only a few of the C hampions League winning team left" comment that Sabes got off of Uncle Alberto. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all, on more than a few levels. Firstly there is the consideration that the team is fairly obviously better now than it was then, and secondly there is the fact that Xabi barely played in that Champions League campaign in any case. In some ways when fans are concerned that the wheels would well and truly come off should we lose Xabi, at least it's some kind of reassurance to know we won the Champions League mostly without him.

I hope he stays provided it's not under sufference. If he does, and we get the form from last season rather than the form of the previous two and a half, then we have got a top central midfield. All that said though, I don't buy into the theory that if he goes we are well and truly scuppered. He'll need replacing for sure, but it wouldn't IMHO be the same as losing either Gerrard or Torres, nowhere near it. I still believe we are in with a big shout for the title whether Xabi stays or not, provided as always we remain sensible team selection wise.

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:51 am

Benitez meeting today could determine Alonso future

A number of Liverpool fans, tired of the endless speculation, have been in touch asking when we can finally draw a line under the Xabi Alonso saga...

I can tell you that we may not have to wait very long. Real Madrid will be eagerly anticipating the outcome of Xabi Alonso`s meeting with Rafa Benitez today: the first time that the Liverpool coach and midfielder have met in person since the end of last season. Alonso has spoken with Benitez on numerous occasions in recent weeks, but today presents the player with an opportunity to convince his manager, face to face, to allow him to fulfil his ambition of signing for Real Madrid.

The mood and outcome of these talks are pivotal: Real Madrid know their latest bid of €27 million falls short of Liverpool`s lowest valuation and, at this moment in time, the Spanish club are not prepared to increase their offer.

Contrary to recent reports, Real Madrid did not recently make a bid lower than any previous offer and there has been no contact between the two clubs since that €27 million proposal.

Dependent upon how talks go between the player and coach, Real Madrid will be holding out for a conciliatory gesture from Anfield in order to revive the deal. Meanwhile, Liverpool are holding out for an improved offer from Madrid – and there is a sense that the two parties are not as far apart as has been suggested, despite the fact there remains an €8 million difference between bid and valuation.

Xabi may be forced into publicly stating his desire to leave and clarify why he feels that after five years at the club, now is a reasonable time to move on - and the days following these talks are critical. All parties want the matter resolved as soon as possible: Benitez would like to finalise his preparations for next season and does not want to be presented with a late, urgent need to replace a key player in his squad; while Real Madrid must endeavour to offload several of their own players in order to secure revenue following a summer of free spending, not to mention feeing up space in an overloaded squad.

Dependant upon the outcome of these discussions between Benitez and Alonso, and a degree of compromise on the part of both clubs, we could be talking about the deal being on or off within the next 24 hours. Either way, I would be bold enough to suggest that all will be resolved, either way, within the next week.

Guillem Balague website...

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:54 am

How much is 27 million Euros in real money?

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:10 am

its around 23.5 mill pounds... add a few mill to that and you have a deal i say...
or.. (5mill + Robben) (15mill + sneijder) or (20mill + Negredo).... they have a few other players i wouldnt mind having here.. Gago, RVN, Higuain... but not sure they want to get rid of any of them except maybe Nistelrooy who im not sure many would be too keen on... not sure he'd want to come here either...

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:18 am

23.5? No, that's not enough and if we can possibly squeeze them up a bit more, we should. It's not going to be easy if they are the only bidders and the player wants away, but as I've been saying for a couple of weeks now a deal at about 25-27 million would sound about right to me. I did hope that some of the fanciful numbers being bandied about may actually come to pass, but if it's not to be and we are into discussing sensible value, thats about where we're at I think.

by **aCe'** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:07 am

20-25 mill is good money imo... the market is a little inflated with ManCity, Madrid, Barcelona, maybe even Chelesa, ourselves and Manutd willing to pay more than you'd expect to get their targets but Alonso at 30+mill is just ridiculous money if we manage to get that...
Melo who was one of the best midfielders in Italy last season moved for 25milion Euros and i wouldnt think Xabi's transfer deal would be all that different from his... I wanted us to sign him i think hes a brilliant player but atleast he didnt end up at Arsenal like expected.. would have been a brilliant buy for them...
Anyways back to Xabi... i think a player exchange deal would be good for us... We'll probably need a replacement for Alonso and we definitely need a backup forward and Real have players they are ready to offload who would fit in both areas... Maybe adding Sneijder to the deal wouldnt be such a bad idea... Personally i'd love to see us go for Robben but i dont think he's quite the Rafa type of player... for starters, he's not Spanish, and he also doesnt run around too much when he doesnt have the ball so... probably not going to happen...
Anyways... key to me whatever the deal is, is that we sign the right players given the money...

by **Sabre** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:09 am

bigmick wrote:23.5? No, that's not enough and if we can possibly squeeze them up a bit more, we should. It's not going to be easy if they are the only bidders and the player wants away, but as I've been saying for a couple of weeks now a deal at about 25-27 million would sound about right to me. I did hope that some of the fanciful numbers being bandied about may actually come to pass, but if it's not to be and we are into discussing sensible value, thats about where we're at I think.

Balague is talking about the first offer the club received, the only official one. It's 1 month old news. But Rafa and Purslow didn't even bother to answer it officially (and Real Madrid are píssed because of it).

Since then there have been negotiations, but Real Madrid knows that he won't go for that kind of money.

I agree 25M is sensible BTW. The problem is that when you don't want to sell your players and so much is on stake, you should think twice before accepting sensible offers. So far Rafa and Purslow have acted like O'Neil, and that's what I expected of them. I just hope he continues this way.

As for Alonso, he keeps sitting on the fence in the last interview saying "In order a tranfer happens there must be an agreement between the two clubs, and otherwise I have to be here with my people (Liverpool)".

All his sentences are sitting fence, but he clarified he's not going to force the situation. "I'm not very keen on forcing situations, I preffer to talk". He also said sentences like "We have to wait".

The context of this interview was in an airport, and in a hurry. You'll see how journos in England make lengthy introductions to those quotes.

In a nutshell, I think we shouldn't accept sensible offers for the reason that if we go to buy we'll always may find another O'Neil, I also think that he's an important (1) player, and we're Liverpool Football Club not Olympic Marsellaise, Everton, or some other midget club.

(1) By important I mean, "Ok he may not be as good as Gerrard, but he won't be easy replaceable by some Diarra or Sissoko".

by **loopyliverpool** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:19 am

I read in yesterday's Observer that he was being sold for £32m and we were to make a bid for another Spanish player whos name escapes me just now....

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