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by **Number 9** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:22 am

red37 wrote:Anymore 'advocaating' and there'll be a few 'warninks' issued before this snowballs out of all proportion and somebody makes me flip!

Now pack it in

I would advocate calm from your side of the fence!

by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:42 am

Number 9 wrote:Do please..and the advocating bit was not specifically about that post fella!
Fu*king hell..just remember that we are all equal on here,whether we have 1 post or 10000000..for someone that preaches things are unfair and everything needs to change,you have a real stink of "I should be listened to more"....You shouldn't!

What is it exactly you want...LFC forum or the BigMiick show??
Totally rhetorical question..answer is obvious and has been for some time!

I thought the advocating bit was strange as I hadn't actually used it in my post

I know it saves time, but in future if you are looking to have a go at two people at the same time it might make sense to split em into seperate posts, that way at least I'm only answering the bit that refers to me

Now, as for whether or not people "listen" to me or anyone else on here is entirely up to them, it matters not a jot. the ONLY time when I get frustrated about people not "listening" is when they accuse you of saying stuff you haven't, or having a slant in your post which isn't there. "have we miseeed a trick by not signing Owen" becoming "I hate Rafa with a pssion and dream about him wedding tackle" :laugh:

That's the only time I bother whether people read the post or not.

As for the "unfair" bit, I just want the forum to be equally fair to everyone, as I've said many times. If there's no rules, that's OK. If there are, they should apply to everyone, simple really. I'm actually begining to lean towards the no rules angle myself, let it just be a free for all, let everyone abuse everyone else and let all the banned posters back, then it's fair foir everyone

"Bigmick Show"? No, the forum is cool. More people who actually talk about football occasionally would be a good start. For instance, rather than attacking me for saying I've rated Ashley Young for a long time but that I think he'll cost more than 20 million quid and that we might find better value elsewhere, you could give your opinion of him. That'd be a good start mate, rate him or not?

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:44 am

bigmick wrote:I'm actually begining to lean towards the no rules angle myself, let it just be a free for all, let everyone abuse everyone else and let all the banned posters back, then it's fair foir everyone

Now you tell us!

by **bigmick** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:04 am

Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm actually begining to lean towards the no rules angle myself, let it just be a free for all, let everyone abuse everyone else and let all the banned posters back, then it's fair foir everyone

Now you tell us!

Sorry mate I hadn't read the new rules thing when I wrote that, and besides I wasn't really serious anyway :;):

It did just strike though as a sign of the times that I get accused of wanton high Horsery (like that :laugh:

) and being a simpleton on the same thread, but the accusees don't actually offer an opinion of their own. I like that bit in the new guidelines where it says the forum is primarily for football discussion, it should be. There are threads in general chat with thousands of pages for people who prefer that kind of thing, but in the football section you ought to be able to offer an opinion without getting shedloads of nonsense.

I've always said i'm happy to discuss any subject to do with football with anybody on the forumat any time. If I'm wrong about Ashley Young, rotation, delayed gazelles, Glen Johnson or anything else, lets debate it. I've been wrong about plenty before so it wouldn't surprise me if I am again.

The problem unfortunately is that some people simply can't come to grips with the fact that not everybody agrees with them all the time.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:12 am

bigmick wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm actually begining to lean towards the no rules angle myself, let it just be a free for all, let everyone abuse everyone else and let all the banned posters back, then it's fair foir everyone

Now you tell us!

Sorry mate I hadn't read the new rules thing when I wrote that, and besides I wasn't really serious anyway

It did just strike though as a sign of the times that I get accused of wanton high Horsery (like that ) and being a simpleton on the same thread, but the accusees don't actually offer an opinion of their own. I like that bit in the new guidelines where it says the forum is primarily for football discussion, it should be. There are threads in general chat with thousands of pages for people who prefer that kind of thing, but in the football section you ought to be able to offer an opinion without getting shedloads of nonsense.

I've always said i'm happy to discuss any subject to do with football with anybody on the forumat any time. If I'm wrong about Ashley Young, rotation, delayed gazelles, Glen Johnson or anything else, lets debate it. I've been wrong about plenty before so it wouldn't surprise me if I am again.

The problem unfortunately is that some people simply can't come to grips with the fact that not everybody agrees with them all the time.

I totally agree with you, Mick. Ashley Young would be a fantastic signing for us, although I have my doubts we'll be able to do reasonable business with Villa for a highly rated English player. Still, I'd be made up if he moved to Anfield. :nod

by **Penguins** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:47 am

Well, there is no way we would be able to buy Ashley Young from Villa at a reasonable price.

Already without taking into acount his nationality, his current club, the league he is playing and his manager, he is worth around 20 million.

Now take into account all mentioned above and I wouldn't be surprised with the history Rafa has with Villa and I would expect O'Neill to demand 30 million for Young.

And there is no way he is worth that kind of money!

by **heimdall** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:39 pm

Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:I must admit I always thought talk of 35 million and the like for Alonso was more than a little optimistic. If it is the case that Madrid are prepared to go only as high as 27 million, it shows that while they are going a bit crazy they haven't completely lost their marbles which is a shame in some ways. Just a pity as far as the manager is concerned that nobody else was in for him, a bit of competition might have led to Rafa getting the fee he was looking for. At least from the clubs point of view it means that we are looking like we might well go into the new season with practically the same team as we had last time, which must give us a huge chance.

I've also always liked Ashley Young. I first touted him on here after I saw him bend in a 30 yard free kick for Watford in the Championship play off match at Selhurst Park. He was very obviously destined for much bigger and better things back then, and true to form O'Neill was prepared to pay good money for young British talent. My suspicion is that it will take more though than 20 million quid to get him now, and there may be better options elsewhere in terms of value for money.

I love the way you always believe rumours and big you up in the process!

"I first touted him"....I would advocate you to stop that,its like if rafa signs him it will be "yeah i said we should"But if we dont its like we missed out!
Well I told you he should later in the season..this was the missing part of the crux of the wheel,I always advocated the signing of him!

ADVOCATED...does anyone say that?Ever in real life?

Get off yer fuc'king high horse and get yer feet back down,Jesus Christ,the world will still spin with BigD'ick off it..it may even spin a little quicker..............I ADVOCATE A REALITY CHECK!!

It's a fair one, my posting style does read "high horseish" sometimes, so apologies. I didn't say "advocate" though, I said "touted", as in "I think Ashley Young is a good player and would be well worth a look". I have used "advocated' on here before though no doubt so fair enough.

I'm not "believing' this particular rumour though as it happens. It's reported by Brascome and he writes for an unreliable rag, and besides which I don't think Rafa will buy Young when we've already got Riera to play in his position. We've got more pressing needs than that, and I would "advocate" looking to fill those first .

Fair point on the high horse though, I take it on board.

Do please..and the advocating bit was not specifically about that post fella!
Fu*king hell..just remember that we are all equal on here,whether we have 1 post or 10000000..for someone that preaches things are unfair and everything needs to change,you have a real stink of "I should be listened to more"....You shouldn't!

What is it exactly you want...LFC forum or the BigMiick show??
Totally rhetorical question..answer is obvious and has been for some time!

WTF is your problem with Big Mick? Do people with a vocabulary of words longer than 4 characters intimidate you or something? Persoanlly I have never found BM arrogant or condecending in his posts whereas I have seldom read one of your posts without reflecting that you must be a very insecure, angry and bitter person, get over yourself and stop trying to bully people.

by **red37** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:45 pm

Ere - where's the link to the bit where Xabi says he's staying for one more season?

Could a kindly fellow point me in the general direction please.

by **Festy** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:57 pm

Alonso = Young + Aquilani + Sneidjer

Season sorted. :idea

by **sgs** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:11 pm

The folks at Marca, the Madrid mouthpiece are pretty upset at Benitez especially. The complaint in today's editorial is that Liverpool did not even bother to reply to a written request.

Now talk is about bringing back Esteban Granero, a really talented central midfielder. There have been serious concerns about his health after he collapsed in training last season and has not played since then. He has a buy back clause from Getafe of 4m.

by **sgs** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:18 pm

bigmick wrote:I must admit I always thought talk of 35 million and the like for Alonso was more than a little optimistic. If it is the case that Madrid are prepared to go only as high as 27 million, it shows that while they are going a bit crazy they haven't completely lost their marbles which is a shame in some ways. Just a pity as far as the manager is concerned that nobody else was in for him, a bit of competition might have led to Rafa getting the fee he was looking for. At least from the clubs point of view it means that we are looking like we might well go into the new season with practically the same team as we had last time, which must give us a huge chance.

I've also always liked Ashley Young. I first touted him on here after I saw him bend in a 30 yard free kick for Watford in the Championship play off match at Selhurst Park. He was very obviously destined for much bigger and better things back then, and true to form O'Neill was prepared to pay good money for young British talent. My suspicion is that it will take more though than 20 million quid to get him now, and there may be better options elsewhere in terms of value for money.

No more optimistic than the 21m they paid for Diarra last season!

Torres recently complained about Real undervaluing spanish players and overpaying for non-spanish players.

We should not undervalue ours..Its such lack of confidence that saw Madrid mug us 2ice before now in the transfer market...

by **Bammo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:21 pm

Marca and Real are quite entertaining really. They submit a written bid for a REDUCED amount and then moan that we've been rude by not responding. :laugh:

Almost as bad as Spurs complaining about Rafa tapping up Keane because he answered a question in a press conference and then Harry courting him publicly throughout January.

Has Alonso actually said he's staying or is it speculation because he's joining the squad. Sorry...skwad.

by **tubby** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:41 pm

Regarding Young do people really think we are going to get him for under 30Mil? After seing how hard MON was to get around with Barry, if he says 30Mil then id say that is a good price considering how silly the market is right now. But I think he would be worth it, and I would probably we rather spend that 30Mil on him as oppose to Silva. I know Silva is a good player but what if he didn't work out here? Young is homegrown and we know he can play here.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:44 pm

bigmick wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm actually begining to lean towards the no rules angle myself, let it just be a free for all, let everyone abuse everyone else and let all the banned posters back, then it's fair foir everyone

Now you tell us!

Sorry mate I hadn't read the new rules thing when I wrote that, and besides I wasn't really serious anyway

It did just strike though as a sign of the times that I get accused of wanton high Horsery (like that ) and being a simpleton on the same thread, but the accusees don't actually offer an opinion of their own. I like that bit in the new guidelines where it says the forum is primarily for football discussion, it should be. There are threads in general chat with thousands of pages for people who prefer that kind of thing, but in the football section you ought to be able to offer an opinion without getting shedloads of nonsense.

I've always said i'm happy to discuss any subject to do with football with anybody on the forumat any time. If I'm wrong about Ashley Young, rotation, delayed gazelles, Glen Johnson or anything else, lets debate it. I've been wrong about plenty before so it wouldn't surprise me if I am again.

The problem unfortunately is that some people simply can't come to grips with the fact that not everybody agrees with them all the time.

I'll give you an opinion - maybe then you can dismiss it like you do every other, and in months to come, reinvent it as a considerably altered version and continue to revisit it at every available opportunity...

You know - like my opinion that Alonso wasn't as bad as any of your bedfellows were making out, and that a lot of his good work was off-camera and thus unseen by many. That he employed tactical positions and still played a massive part in the prevention of opposition attacks by being in the right place at the right time. By occupying the zones the attackers would prefer to be, and thus negating much of the danger. All of a sudden that becomes "Alonso didn't have a dip in form at all, even though he admitted it himself, blah, blah, blah."

I really believe you spend so much time in isolation that you actually forget the reality, replacing it with your own misguided interpretation.

Just like you will do with the above.

Still - I suppose I am expecting a little too much from someone with a Hitler complex, who feels that he is righteous in his indignation and the rightful leader of the entire World.

Here's a little tip for you, seeing as you obviously lack the intellect to work it out for yourself:

If you really must revisit posts over a year old, might I suggest that you at least have the decency to reflect the opinions stated accurately, rather than regurgitating them with "90% BigMick Bullpats" added?

There's a good girl.

Young? I wouldn't do business with Martin O'Neill if you f*cking paid me, but should Young sign for someone else and we get another chance, I'd pay £15m and not a penny more. He's good, but he isn't THAT good.

*I await with baited breath the rewritten version of "Ashley Young is :censored:

and I wouldn't buy him if you paid me" in a few months' time...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:49 pm

heimdall wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
bigmick wrote:I must admit I always thought talk of 35 million and the like for Alonso was more than a little optimistic. If it is the case that Madrid are prepared to go only as high as 27 million, it shows that while they are going a bit crazy they haven't completely lost their marbles which is a shame in some ways. Just a pity as far as the manager is concerned that nobody else was in for him, a bit of competition might have led to Rafa getting the fee he was looking for. At least from the clubs point of view it means that we are looking like we might well go into the new season with practically the same team as we had last time, which must give us a huge chance.

I've also always liked Ashley Young. I first touted him on here after I saw him bend in a 30 yard free kick for Watford in the Championship play off match at Selhurst Park. He was very obviously destined for much bigger and better things back then, and true to form O'Neill was prepared to pay good money for young British talent. My suspicion is that it will take more though than 20 million quid to get him now, and there may be better options elsewhere in terms of value for money.

I love the way you always believe rumours and big you up in the process!

"I first touted him"....I would advocate you to stop that,its like if rafa signs him it will be "yeah i said we should"But if we dont its like we missed out!
Well I told you he should later in the season..this was the missing part of the crux of the wheel,I always advocated the signing of him!

ADVOCATED...does anyone say that?Ever in real life?

Get off yer fuc'king high horse and get yer feet back down,Jesus Christ,the world will still spin with BigD'ick off it..it may even spin a little quicker..............I ADVOCATE A REALITY CHECK!!

It's a fair one, my posting style does read "high horseish" sometimes, so apologies. I didn't say "advocate" though, I said "touted", as in "I think Ashley Young is a good player and would be well worth a look". I have used "advocated' on here before though no doubt so fair enough.

I'm not "believing' this particular rumour though as it happens. It's reported by Brascome and he writes for an unreliable rag, and besides which I don't think Rafa will buy Young when we've already got Riera to play in his position. We've got more pressing needs than that, and I would "advocate" looking to fill those first .

Fair point on the high horse though, I take it on board.

Do please..and the advocating bit was not specifically about that post fella!
Fu*king hell..just remember that we are all equal on here,whether we have 1 post or 10000000..for someone that preaches things are unfair and everything needs to change,you have a real stink of "I should be listened to more"....You shouldn't!

What is it exactly you want...LFC forum or the BigMiick show??
Totally rhetorical question..answer is obvious and has been for some time!

WTF is your problem with Big Mick? Do people with a vocabulary of words longer than 4 characters intimidate you or something? Persoanlly I have never found BM arrogant or condecending in his posts whereas I have seldom read one of your posts without reflecting that you must be a very insecure, angry and bitter person, get over yourself and stop trying to bully people.

Perhaps that is more to do with your inability to seek out the nuances of the English language than Barry's "intimidation".

BigMick's posts are so full of barbs they could keep the Taliban out of a Mosque.

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