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by **akumaface** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:15 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Selling Alonso will knock us down 3 places in the table.

It would if we didn't replace him with someone who can do as good a job I meen alonso is good he is one of best in world at his posistion but there are better players about tho who can a little more with ball IE run with it.

But as far as getting them I can't see it happening unless we have a fair budget to work off and with current owners I don't see that ever happening so as far as for me personaly letting Alonso go I say keep him for at least 1 more season and see what happens.

As for masch I could see him go in summer many clubs after him and I think we could get a massive offor.

I think either him or alonso needs to go end of season due to fact we have alot of spots on fields we are weaker in and the prem is one of those leagues where every part of your team will get tested.

So it is important to spread the tallent all over the pitch rather then have it in only a few areas.

Atm we have great spine but massive weakness down each side of flanks I feel when ever we lose goals or fail to break teams down its due to those areas so if we are to progress next season that is something rafa is going to have to address.

You are kidding me right? Sell Alonso and replace with someone better? Name one that we can afford. Sell Mascher also, you lost your fecking mind. Of course many will try to get him as he is one of the best in his position. We don't sell anyone just because there is an interest out there. By the same token, we should sell Gerrard also right! Tell me you are not serious man. Our center midfield does not have the depth you preceived. They need rest and unless we get a top striker, otherwise, Stevie will stick to his current role behind Torres. This mean 3 CM for 2 CM positions. We need at least 2 in each position. This season we saw that when any one of our big 3 was out, we are in trouble as we need to play Lucas more than we should have. So, to suggest we should sell our CM is plain out idiotic...

by **tubby** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:17 pm

Alonso is happy here he doesn't want to go anyway. I wish I could meet the prats who start these rumors.

by **Sabre** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:55 pm

Sabre will know more about it than me, but I highly doubt that Alonso would consider Real, being a basque lad through and through...

There are basque players that are ultranationalist but Alonso is not one of them. No, simply Real Madrid won't be his preffered choice because it's an archenemy both of his club and his father's second club, Barcelona.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean he can't play there. He'd go there if Rafa said I want to sell you, because it's still a top club. But if he can stay, he'll stay.

It's Rafa's decission if an offer comes. So far we only have speculation though.

by **GYBS** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:05 pm

Sell masher ?!?!? never heard anything so ridiculous in my life . :laugh:

by **sworth26** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:16 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Selling Alonso will knock us down 3 places in the table.

It would if we didn't replace him with someone who can do as good a job I meen alonso is good he is one of best in world at his posistion but there are better players about tho who can a little more with ball IE run with it.

But as far as getting them I can't see it happening unless we have a fair budget to work off and with current owners I don't see that ever happening so as far as for me personaly letting Alonso go I say keep him for at least 1 more season and see what happens.

As for masch I could see him go in summer many clubs after him and I think we could get a massive offor.

I think either him or alonso needs to go end of season due to fact we have alot of spots on fields we are weaker in and the prem is one of those leagues where every part of your team will get tested.

So it is important to spread the tallent all over the pitch rather then have it in only a few areas.

Atm we have great spine but massive weakness down each side of flanks I feel when ever we lose goals or fail to break teams down its due to those areas so if we are to progress next season that is something rafa is going to have to address.

This is one of the most clueless posts I have read in a while!

by **Madmax** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:42 pm

Talk of selling alonso and macha is like chopping both your legs off and replacing them with shyte artificial ones.. Never sell your best players is my motto.. Even if we would i dont think we could get players of better quality than macha and alonso.

by **Alex G.** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:47 pm

I dream with Barry - Alonso - Mascherano

And Benitez too....

by **tubby** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:47 pm

In their respective positions Masch and Alonso are 2 of the best in the world imo.

by **DrPepe** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:00 pm

Sabre wrote:
Sabre will know more about it than me, but I highly doubt that Alonso would consider Real, being a basque lad through and through...

There are basque players that are ultranationalist but Alonso is not one of them. No, simply Real Madrid won't be his preffered choice because it's an archenemy both of his club and his father's second club, Barcelona.

Anyhow, that doesn't mean he can't play there. He'd go there if Rafa said I want to sell you, because it's still a top club. But if he can stay, he'll stay.

It's Rafa's decission if an offer comes. So far we only have speculation though.

alonso is an intellectual player and a cool customer - i think he'd choose a club based on footballing merits rather than loyalties

by **aCe'** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:48 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

by **Toffeehater** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:04 pm

aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

VDS better than reina you're having a laugh , cech is history he's no longer the keeper he was , throughout the season he has been making mistakes and in these last few games he's finally getting punished for them

by **GOAT** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:09 pm

aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

lol joker

Come on though, serious answer, I'm curious now

by **Madmax** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:15 pm

He said he thinks they are at the same level as reina... not better! I would think howard, friedel, frey , cech, VDS are not on the same level. Reina is better

by **KennyisGod....still** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:24 pm

Reina is the best keeper in the PL, bar none. If he has a fault it's that he's always lookin to release the ball before he's even saved it. I almost believe thats what caught him at the bridge the other day for their first, the ball was so innocuous he was already thinkin bout settin us up an lost the flight after dogbreath touched it.

by **aCe'** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:36 pm

GOAT wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:How come you dont rate reina ace ?

And think the only thing barry has over Xabi is the fact he is english but for me xabi is technically superior to barry in most aspects of the game bar barry having a better ability to burst forward where as xabi prefers to play that quarterback role to the highest level .

i just think hes overrated by our own thats all.. he keeps many clean sheets and his distribution is better than anything iv ever seen from any goalie but i just dont believe hes half as good as some claim he is... i mean some were saying he's the best in the world ! i mean come on lets not get carried away he'd hardly make the top 5 or maybe even 10 list and we'r in a time were class goalies are hard to find...
anyways it isnt that big a deal he rarely has much to do in games anyways given the way we play but funny enough he hasnt been all the great when called upon imo .. not the best when it comes to crosses and high balls in the area...

anyways back to Alonso... i think alot of his play actually depends on the players around him,... movement off the ball and positioning and all that.... better players around him = better play from Alonso and probably more room and time to show what he has.. just imagine what he'd be like in a side like Barcelona or dare i say..ManUtd....

Name 5 keepers currently better.

Casillas, Buffon, Cech, VDS, Given, Julio Cesar... Frey, Akinfeev, Friedel, maybe even Howard (then again maybe not) are about the same level as Reina i'd say...

lol joker

Come on though, serious answer, I'm curious now

mmm... not rocket science now is it... i think Cech, Casillas, VDS, Buffon, Julio Cesar and Shay Given are all better goalkeepers ... just an opinion if ya disagree then fair enough.... dont get me wrong, Reina is a quality goalie but hes way too overrated by some you guys... Any of the above names would have done the same, if not a better job with our side given the system we play... When it comes to Reina, his distribution is at a different level to any other goalkeeper iv ever seen... with our style..counterattacks and all that i'd say he fits the bill quite nicely but as far as im concerned hes not one of the best 5 shot stoppers in the business...

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