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by **skatesy** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:48 pm

Torres has been playing really well in the Estonia match. Has had some great chances. I don't understand why Villa was given the penalty kick when it was Torres who was taken down.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:16 pm

Sabre wrote:Crucial news for Nanny red: Xabi Alonso has left growing a 3 day beard, we might have a new look here.

Emilio Butragueño: "It was about time to see Xabi Alonso in the starting eleven, every time he entered the team in the second half increased the level of our football a lot, he's got loads of quality".

So far 0-2 in Estonia, and Alonso and Torres are the Liverpool players that have started. I just hope the 5 of them come back with no injuries.

Bet you he looks even more sexier now :hearts

Even mate Emilio agrees with me starting eleven he must be taking notice of me :;):

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:19 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Stop criticising players when it's uncalled for. It's obvious that the 3 or 4 people on here who slate Alonso do so to wind myself or Sabre up. There's no way there could be THAT many thickos on one forum.

Your posts are becoming a joke, maybe its not everyone else thats a thicko maybe the source is closer to home. Everbody's wrong but Lando...... including Rafa :laugh:

You can say that Alonso wasn't at his best, but playing poorly? Come off it

Yet you can say that masch was absolute cack. YOU are the one criticising players not me.

Stop criticising players when it's uncalled for

You're the one making posts against Gerrard after the Everton game, when he was outstanding, because you couldn't bear the thought of someone else being praised in front of your precious Alonso.

I will say what I want, its my opinion not yours. If you want to continue to spout your usual biased cr@p about Alonso be my guest. You're only showing yourself up.

Alonso was playing so bad he was dropped and Lucas got his starting position. Alonso was playing so bad Rafa wanted to sell him. He was playing so badly that Gerrard started singing Barry's praises. Enough facts or do you want more?

When was Masch dropped? As far as I am aware he has never been dropped ...... but Alonso has.

But carry on by all means the forum could do with a good laugh.

by **Number 9** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:28 pm

i think

slovenian kunts!

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:29 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Who was playing wide left when Alonso was on form and who was playing there when he was off form?

Not purely laying the blame on other players here, just asking a question.

I remember a similar arguement a few years ago about how bad Sami was playing, when the fact was it was Traore making him look bad, he then regained form when that useless puff was sold. Also, Alonso and Gerrard both play at there best when they have one another to bounce off and play as a pairing. The other pairings don't bring the same fluidity to our play.

I like Mascherano, he's probably the slightly better player of the two (not by much) but the balance is better with Alonso and Gerrard. Simple as that.

Its a team game.

Who was playing wide left when Alonso was on form and who was playing there when he was off form?

Riise is the answer to BOTH questions mate.

Alonso and Gerrard both play at there best when they have one another to bounce off and play as a pairing.

They have had ONE good Game together in over 2 years, I think you may be going a little over the top there mate.

I like Mascherano, he's probably the slightly better player of the two (not by much)

I agree with this part

Its a team game

And this part.

His standards slipped, he clearly lacked form in comparrison to his first 18 months and did look a shadow of the player

And also this

As for the rest I will wait and see

by **Sabre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:35 pm

Alonso was playing so bad he was dropped and Lucas got his starting position. Alonso was playing so bad Rafa wanted to sell him. He was playing so badly that Gerrard started singing Barry's praises. Enough facts or do you want more?

Was it like that? I ask with all ingenuousness, because I haven't checked on google or past posts.

The way I recall it (correct me if I'm wrong), in Lucas playing instead of Alonso, there was involved an Alonso injury. Then Lucas played well and Alonso came back from that injury below his best, and didn't recover the starting eleven position inmediatly. But the way I remember it wasn't as if Alonso was playing really badly and he was dropped.

Also I would love to know how explained Rafa to Alonso why he considered selling him for a very good price. Unless I've missed something I don't know if it's because Rafa needed badly another player or because Rafa was unpleased with Alonso's football.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:52 pm

Sabre wrote:<snip personal comments>

Alonso was playing so bad he was dropped and Lucas got his starting position. Alonso was playing so bad Rafa wanted to sell him. He was playing so badly that Gerrard started singing Barry's praises. Enough facts or do you want more?

Was it like that? I ask with all ingenuousness, because I haven't checked on google or past posts.

The way I recall it (correct me if I'm wrong), in Lucas playing instead of Alonso, there was involved an Alonso injury. Then Lucas played well and Alonso came back from that injury below his best, and didn't recover the starting eleven position inmediatly. But the way I remember it wasn't as if Alonso was playing really badly and he was dropped.

Also I would love to know how explained Rafa to Alonso why he considered selling him for a very good price. Unless I've missed something I don't know if it's because Rafa needed badly another player or because Rafa was unpleased with Alonso's football.

so he could finance the gareth barry transfer.

by **Number 9** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:00 pm

Sabre wrote:<snip personal comments>

Alonso was playing so bad he was dropped and Lucas got his starting position. Alonso was playing so bad Rafa wanted to sell him. He was playing so badly that Gerrard started singing Barry's praises. Enough facts or do you want more?

Was it like that? I ask with all ingenuousness, because I haven't checked on google or past posts.

The way I recall it (correct me if I'm wrong), in Lucas playing instead of Alonso, there was involved an Alonso injury. Then Lucas played well and Alonso came back from that injury below his best, and didn't recover the starting eleven position inmediatly. But the way I remember it wasn't as if Alonso was playing really badly and he was dropped.

Also I would love to know how explained Rafa to Alonso why he considered selling him for a very good price. Unless I've missed something I don't know if it's because Rafa needed badly another player or because Rafa was unpleased with Alonso's football.

Because Alonso was not playing to his best!All LFC asks off any player is to give all they have!
Alonso did not and has been questioned by fans!
Look now Sabre,Alonso is giving 100% and we are happy..its not that we dont love him..we do!
He slacked and his balls are beat back into place!
Hopefully he wont slack again!

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:00 pm

Sabre wrote:<snip personal comments>

Alonso was playing so bad he was dropped and Lucas got his starting position. Alonso was playing so bad Rafa wanted to sell him. He was playing so badly that Gerrard started singing Barry's praises. Enough facts or do you want more?

Was it like that? I ask with all ingenuousness, because I haven't checked on google or past posts.

The way I recall it (correct me if I'm wrong), in Lucas playing instead of Alonso, there was involved an Alonso injury. Then Lucas played well and Alonso came back from that injury below his best, and didn't recover the starting eleven position inmediatly. But the way I remember it wasn't as if Alonso was playing really badly and he was dropped.

Also I would love to know how explained Rafa to Alonso why he considered selling him for a very good price. Unless I've missed something I don't know if it's because Rafa needed badly another player or because Rafa was unpleased with Alonso's football.

Was it like that? I ask with all ingenuousness, because I haven't checked on google or past posts.

Yep.

The way I recall it (correct me if I'm wrong), in Lucas playing instead of Alonso, there was involved an Alonso injury. Then Lucas played well and Alonso came back from that injury below his best, and didn't recover the starting eleven position inmediatly. But the way I remember it wasn't as if Alonso was playing really badly and he was dropped.

He was dropped

Also I would love to know how explained Rafa to Alonso why he considered selling him for a very good price. Unless I've missed something I don't know if it's because Rafa needed badly another player or because Rafa was unpleased with Alonso's football.

Reina ....Rafa..... not for sale
Torres ....Rafa..... not for sale
Gerrard...Rafa..... not for sale
KUYT ..... Rafa.....not for sale
Alonso ....Rafa..... silence

If he thought Alonso was playing well I don't think he would have contemplated selling him .... do you ? ..... seriously?

If anyone had rated Alonso highly he would have been sold, seems everyone prefered cheaper players from elsewhere.

Rafa only asked for a good price AFTER we bought Keane, before that he couldn't get a buyer at £12million. Or thats how I remember it. Juventus eventually offered £12.5million, Arsenal £10million, Gala £10million and a toffee roll.

Hardly extravagant sums for such a player! :down:

Most successful managers usually try to sell off key players ..... or do they ?

To be honest I think you are both being pathetic and pedantic about the whole thing. Now you are quibbling about why Rafa wanted to sell him, when the truth is IF he had been at his best Rafa wouldn't have entertained selling him!

Alonso played poorly ..... live with it and move on. Hopefully he will continue his recent good form, if not no doubt Rafa will be open to offers AGAIN.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:05 pm

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:16 pm

Nice one Barry

by **Sabre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:31 pm

LFC2007 wrote:

by **Sabre** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:57 pm

To be honest I think you are both being pathetic and pedantic about the whole thing. Now you are quibbling about why Rafa wanted to sell him, when the truth is IF he had been at his best Rafa wouldn't have entertained selling him!

I wasn't trying to be pedant. I just try to not consider a fact what I don't know for sure.

About considering my attitude regarding Alonso pathetic, that's up to you aswell. I cannot do anything about it, but it's still my opinion.

And it's my opinion aswell that you should try to focus less in the negatives of this player, if you're going to tell us later all seriously that you try to be fair with him. Now he's playing well, you bring articles of other managers saying he's slow. In summer, you were not that quick to highlight the interest of the same manager. So much for being objective. Before that interest, you made jokes of the type "Nobody wants him, face it Sabre"

, that a few regulars considered funny too.

During the season, you were in first line of the people giving Alonso stíck.

So I can get stick for defending a player and being called pathetic because of it, but don't pretend you're the voice of objectivity. You are not.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:17 pm

Juve didnt want him cause he was too slow.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:20 pm

If you can't tell a joke from opinion thats YOUR PROBLEM. I was also one of the first to defend Alonso when the whole Barry saga was on ...... pity you don't mention that?

I occasionally make jokes but none as funny as your post ..... thats my opinion too

I bring lots of articles on here, do I have to check each one to make sure it doesn't affect your sensibilities ?

Where is all this stick I give Alonso ? Saying he has played poorly is giving him stick

? I have never pretended I am the voice of objectivity, I give my opinion on players judged by what I see ....maybe you should try it sometime, instead of being more interested in where they come from?

One thing, at least you make me laugh, I don't need to try to be fair, I have no bias ... pity we can't say the same thing about you.

You know for sure Rafa WANTED to sell him. Managers don't WANT to sell players who are playing well and valued , IF he had been at his best Rafa wouldn't have entertained selling him...... I am willing to leave it at that.

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