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Bam wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

s@int wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

s@int wrote:

In a game where a team will sit deep and stop us from playing Alonso is a must

You mean like against Stoke?

But agsinst the bigger teams in the league and in Europe Alonso is a must

Like against Inter home and away?

Masch has been m.o.t.m. in 2 out of the four games he's played this season, if thats him when he's burnt out, god help the rest of the prem when he's had a little rest!

Which 2 were they again?

Aston Villa AND the mancs

Just check Badbobs match thread or here it is in black and white

Fans' MOTM table 2008-09:

Steven Gerrard: 3

Fernando Torres: 2

  Javier Mascherano. 2

Pepe Reina: 2

Xabi Alonso: 1

Jamie Carragher: 1

Daniel Agger: 1


Liverpoolfc.tv MOTM table 2008-09:

Fernando Torres: 3

  Javier Mascherano: 2

Xabi Alonso: 1

Steven Gerrard: 1

Dirk Kuyt: 1

Pepe Reina: 1

Alvaro Arbeloa: 1

Daniel Agger: 1

Which just underlines the fact that most internet fans' closest encounter to the game was when they were about to be born and the ambulance drove past a game of curby...

If I remember rightly, wasn't Mascher completely at fault for the scum goal due to his "amazing" tracking-back ability and positional "awareness"?

Cue the feeble attempts to shift the blame elsewhere...

What really gets my goat is the fact that I like Mascher, and am absolutely made up that he's here. But to read the constant anti-Alonso rubbish, even when the lad is obviously miles ahead of his teammate, is just tiresome.
This is the problem with this place - Xabi absolutely pulls the opposition's pants down, and spanks them for 90 minutes, yet he's "got to do a lot more than that to convince me", or "5 good games doesn't mean he's back to his previous level" (So what DOES he have to do to convince you, My Lords and ladies?)

Yet... Mascherano can be a complete disaster and cost us a piece of p*ss goal against the Mancs, but because he does a few tackles, he's f*cking MOTM! Unbelievable!

He can be absolute cack against Man City, we can go 2-0 down, and yet he's STILL credited with turning the tide because he made a pass that Gerrard played to Arbeloa, which resulted in a goal...

There is a definite "Mascher is the Messiah and Alonso is an a*sehole" feeling on here, and even if Mascher pulled his pants down and shat all over the Shankly gates, you lot would still kiss his freshly-browned backside.
Alonso would score every goal in a title-winning run, and the winner in the CL final, and he'd still be treated like a gangrenous, putrid leper with gout.

That post is wide of the mark.

But you lost all credibilty IMO when you came on here and said that Gerrard did next to feck all during the Everton game. Which was an absolute joke of a statement to make, so your football posts, and this bias one here yet again shows your a complete @rse when it comes to posting anything sensible or logical concerning football. Stick to general chat fella.

s@int wrote:The only people that seem to have a misguided opinion of our players appears to be you. Mascher may have been at fault for the manc goal (along with others) he was also involved in us getting the winner as well.... something that appears to have slipped your memory?

You make me laugh, Alonso plays poorly for 18 months, yet you think the sun shines out of his ar$e. HAS A COUPLE of good games and you come back on shouting the odds.

what DOES he have to do to convince you, My Lord

To convince me he has to do what ANY player has to do, play well CONSISTENTLY. Something he hasn't managed for quite a while.

Mascher is the Messiah and Alonso is an a*sehole

That may be your opinion, its certainly not mine. Mascher has played much better for Liverpool CONSISTANTLY than Alonso since his arrival....... thats my opinion.

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Who was playing wide left when Alonso was on form and who was playing there when he was off form?

Not purely laying the blame on other players here, just asking a question.

I remember a similar arguement a few years ago about how bad Sami was playing, when the fact was it was Traore making him look bad, he then regained form when that useless puff was sold. Also, Alonso and Gerrard both play at there best when they have one another to bounce off and play as a pairing. The other pairings don't bring the same fluidity to our play.

I like Mascherano, he's probably the slightly better player of the two (not by much) but the balance is better with Alonso and Gerrard. Simple as that.

Its a team game.

Bam wrote:Alonso has been given praise on here by his critics, myself included said that 'he should of stayed in an unchanged midfield against Citeh, and that I wouldnt of brought Mascha back into the side as Alonso was playing well.'

I do try to be balanced on here and posters like Saint and others do to, its not always one way traffic, but just because we dont 'get off' on him in the extent that you do, you still cant see the positives in the posts on him around here. Obviously S@int would like to see Alonso play at this level on a consistent basis and me too before he/we are to totally convinced he's got that 'Monkey off his back' so to speak. I think thats fair enough considering, but Alonso IMO is playing well and heading in the right direction and I'm fairly certain he'll carry it on, and its good to see.

s@int wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:"A couple"?

Come off it - just be honest and say you don't rate Alonso because you don't understand the thinking game. You just like blood and thunder play, where the only talent is to be found after the match in the pub. The old man's game, where men were men and women stayed at home. Where you hadn't had a good game if you hadn't maimed anyone. Where the only skill on show was that of the ref dodging the punches of the aggrieved captain.

I bet you like watching WWE...

Maybe thats why Rafa DROPPED Alonso, and wanted to Sell Alonso, maybe Rafa doesn't understand the thinking game either

Or maybe its just you that can't see how poorly he was playing. After all they say love is blind 

I bet you like watching The Love Boat ...  

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Fo Dne wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Who was playing wide left when Alonso was on form and who was playing there when he was off form?

Not purely laying the blame on other players here, just asking a question.

I remember a similar arguement a few years ago about how bad Sami was playing, when the fact was it was Traore making him look bad, he then regained form when that useless puff was sold. Also, Alonso and Gerrard both play at there best when they have one another to bounce off and play as a pairing. The other pairings don't bring the same fluidity to our play.

I like Mascherano, he's probably the slightly better player of the two (not by much) but the balance is better with Alonso and Gerrard. Simple as that.

Its a team game.

argh what a dilemma. 3 capable players vying for 2 spots. 
i do hope xabi keeps this up but i wonder how mash is gonna fit in unless he is either moved to the right or if there is injury or rotation.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Before I waste more typing on the actual response, let's analyze whether or not your post even deserves an answer: How is it a fact? Prove it, and then we'll talk...

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Before I waste more typing on the actual response, let's analyze whether or not your post even deserves an answer: How is it a fact? Prove it, and then we'll talk...

so you dont feel xabi hasnt been up to his usual standards? im not expecting goals from the halfway line btw.

Fo Dne wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:alonso only recently improved his performances. he had been sub-par for a very long time now and mash has always been consistent. thats a fact. how can it be argued?

Before I waste more typing on the actual response, let's analyze whether or not your post even deserves an answer: How is it a fact? Prove it, and then we'll talk...

so you dont feel xabi hasnt been up to his usual standards? im not expecting goals from the halfway line btw.

His standards slipped, he clearly lacked form in comparrison to his first 18 months and did look a shadow of the player. He also didn't perform half as badly as people made out and still had alot of more than decent games in that period of time when he was off form.

This season he looks back to his best and I've no doubt it will continue.